VulcanRam

I do.
 
 
 
 
 
(not really)

The point I'm making, is that you're just quoting raw numbers without any context.  I'm not denying that your numbers are correct in terms of the maths being done right, but the meaning you're trying to extract from those numbers is somewhere between nonsense and irrelevant.  My statistic about Henry is absolutely correct numerically, because in the majority of games he played he failed to score a single goal.  But it's also complete nonsense semantically, because he was a massively prolific goal-scorer.
If a player has played 300 games at Championship level, he is clearly a player capable of playing at Championship level.  The fact he might also have played 400 games at League One level doesn't diminish that fact.  Your error is compounded because the majority of players you are talking about have shown a clear career progression - i.e. going up the leagues as they get older, continue to improve and demonstrate their ability, then maybe drop back down as they go past their peak.  That is exactly the pattern we'd expect to see with many players.  If we were talking about players who had spent the majority of their career alternating between e.g. League One and Championship, then maybe you'd have a case that they were struggling to make the step up to the higher level, but that isn't really the case with any of our players (AFAIK).

Maybe it's just me, but if a player plays a bunch of games at League One level, then steps up and plays a bunch of games at Championship level, then steps up and plays a bunch at Prem level, that makes the player a Prem player.  Not a player who's spent most of his career in the lower leagues 🤷‍♂️.

You're definitely missing something.

Firstly, you need to compare our squad with the rest of the division. You continuously state our players are "average", yet in a different thread you also admit that the lack of quality in this league means we could still finish top 2.
Secondly, are you suggesting current ability of the players puts them at L1 ability or their historic ability? What relevance is 6 years ago to judging if a player is good enough now? Would a player who spent 4 seasons in the L1 top 6, 2 in the Championship followed by 1 in the PL a L1 journey man? He is based on the definition you've been using.
Thirdly, you've put a negative slant on most players, even those who are being targeted by PL clubs. A lack of pace doesn't mean a player isn't of quality above L1 level, and I'm struggling to think of many times when Cashin has actually been beaten for pace
Let's look at the squad in a more positive light...
Joe Wildsmith: 4th most clean sheets last season
Josh Vickers: Signed from a Championship club
Scott Loach: Effectively part of the coaching staff, providing emergency cover
Sonny Bradley: Just captained his last club to promotion to the PL
Eiran Cashin: Wanted by PL club(s), and wanted on loan by top end Championship clubs
Curtin Nelson: Spent 4 seasons playing regularly in the Championship before we signed him and was matchday captain for both of those clubs at various points.
Jake Rooney: An emerging talent and been steady in a L1 side battling for top 6.
Joe Ward: His last 3 seasons consist of: promotion to the Championship, a season in the Championship, and a top 6 finish
Kane Wilson: No player in L2 has more assists in 21/22, then excluded from Bristol's Championship squad because he didn't suit Pearson's defensive back 4
Nyambe: Conveniently missed off your list. Spent his entire career above L1 prior to joining us and has been a very solid defensive option since joining us.
Criag Forsyth: Spent 11 seasons in the Championship before following us down to L1 and has been a reliable player every game at this level.
Callum Elder: Played below Championship for only 1 seasons since 19/20, and he was a key part of that Hull side who won promotion.
Conor Hourihane: Hadn't played below Championship level since 15/16, including a full season in the PL, prior to joining us
Max Bird: Wanted by Championship clubs fighting for promotion.
Korey Smith: Hadn't played below Championship level since 14/15 prior to joining us
Liam Thompson: The majority of his games have been at Championship level.
Louie Sibley: The majority of his games have been at Championship level.
Tyrese Fornah: Was a regular in a Championship side prior to joining us.
Tom Barkhuizen: Hadn't played below Championship level since 16/17. Left Preston as they changed to a formation which doesn't use wingers
Mendez-Liang: One of the highest goal contribution records in the league last season
James Collins: 3 seasons in the Championship before joining us, recording 37 goal contributions. Currently averaging a goal every 138 minutes for us this season.
Martyn Waghorn: 1 goal contribution every 215 minutes during the 3 seasons in the Championship before rejoining us. Currently averaging a goal every 93 minutes.
Conor Washington: Signed from a Championship club where he was a regular
Tyreece John Jules: A goal or assist every 200 minutes at this level.

In the last league game, 8 of the starters had played 100+ times at Championship level or higher (I.e. the league above where we are now), many of them significantly more times than that. The others being Wildsmith (who’s been excellent since he’s been here) and Cashin and Fornah (2 very good young players).  What “things of significance” do you expect them to have done? We have players who’ve got promoted out of this league. Players who’ve been promoted to the prem. Players who’ve been in the League One team of the year.  We are still a league one club, we aren’t going to be fielding a team full of current prem players.

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Make your mind up! Are you amazed that we're in as good a place as we are or fed up of the whole thing and want the manager sacked?

Her words, or yours?

We played better tonight than we did at Carlisle.
Bird for Smith when he is fit will help at home.
We just needed one of the CM to take a chance stepping up to the edge of the box when we are pitting crosses in for a weak header or pull back. Also one of the CMs has to be available for a winger or full back when they cut inside.
Take the 2 sitters of headers and its a different day 
 

He might not be good for Derby, he might not play the football we all crave, he may not lead us to promotion but to describe him as “a disgrace to this football club” is frankly, a disgraceful thing to say IMO.

Have you ever thought that might be because Waghorn and Sibley never get to take set pieces in a match situation? They are long out of practice.
Sibley has reliably taken excellent set pieces for Derby since junior level.
But his touch is sadly absent with no pre-season and very few match minutes so far this season. He'll be discarded again well before he gets time to build up match fitness. Get yourself a Club who loves you, Louie, look what it's done for Morgan Whittaker! 
Waghorn is better with central set pieces but I remember him taking them all for Ipswich back in the day and looking lethal. Is it age or lack of practice that has caught up with him?

I really hate to point this out, but I just can't let it go, I'm sorry. But the irony here is too much for me. 

Performance wise it was much better than we've seen at home. We passed the ball around, looked to open them up and controlled large parts of the game. 
I'm no great fan of his, but it's not Warne's fault Mendez Laing can't control a football when clean through from the half way line, not his fault either than Collins' one-game purple patch lasted, well, one game, or that Waghorn did the near impossible thing of missing the goal with that header. Plus one or two decent if not even gilt edged chances.
I don't think Warne could have done anything other than what he did today, maybe Wilson on earlier. Sibley's set pieces were just as woeful as those which went before him.
Fornah and Nyambe look very good signings. I like a defender who likes to defend. Nelson and Cashin starting to form a strong partnership.
The fact is that without McGoldrick we don't have goals in the team, and it may ultimately cost us dear. 
Had we won 4-0, few people would have argued that was an unfair scoreline. 
Ref was very inconsistent. First half let everything go. Second half totally the opposite, was blowing up for anything and everything, including some very soft ones against us.  

I disagree with this bit. Mendez Laing was clean through on goal after a minute but despite having a run from half way, at some stage managed to run away from goal. That's a clear cut chance. Collins' header in the second half, a clear cut chance. Waghorn's header, a clear cut chance. Barks shot after Mendez's fail, a clear cut chance. Plus we hit the post in the first half (I think, it was down the far end).
We created more than enough to win the game, aside from the admittedly poor two efforts on target. 

I really hate to point this out, but I just can't let it go, I'm sorry. But the irony here is too much for me. 

I disagree with this bit. Mendez Laing was clean through on goal after a minute but despite having a run from half way, at some stage managed to run away from goal. That's a clear cut chance. Collins' header in the second half, a clear cut chance. Waghorn's header, a clear cut chance. Barks shot after Mendez's fail, a clear cut chance. Plus we hit the post in the first half (I think, it was down the far end).
We created more than enough to win the game, aside from the admittedly poor two efforts on target. 

Performance wise it was much better than we've seen at home. We passed the ball around, looked to open them up and controlled large parts of the game. 
I'm no great fan of his, but it's not Warne's fault Mendez Laing can't control a football when clean through from the half way line, not his fault either than Collins' one-game purple patch lasted, well, one game, or that Waghorn did the near impossible thing of missing the goal with that header. Plus one or two decent if not even gilt edged chances.
I don't think Warne could have done anything other than what he did today, maybe Wilson on earlier. Sibley's set pieces were just as woeful as those which went before him.
Fornah and Nyambe look very good signings. I like a defender who likes to defend. Nelson and Cashin starting to form a strong partnership.
The fact is that without McGoldrick we don't have goals in the team, and it may ultimately cost us dear. 
Had we won 4-0, few people would have argued that was an unfair scoreline. 
Ref was very inconsistent. First half let everything go. Second half totally the opposite, was blowing up for anything and everything, including some very soft ones against us.  

Performance wise it was much better than we've seen at home. We passed the ball around, looked to open them up and controlled large parts of the game. 
I'm no great fan of his, but it's not Warne's fault Mendez Laing can't control a football when clean through from the half way line, not his fault either than Collins' one-game purple patch lasted, well, one game, or that Waghorn did the near impossible thing of missing the goal with that header. Plus one or two decent if not even gilt edged chances.
I don't think Warne could have done anything other than what he did today, maybe Wilson on earlier. Sibley's set pieces were just as woeful as those which went before him.
Fornah and Nyambe look very good signings. I like a defender who likes to defend. Nelson and Cashin starting to form a strong partnership.
The fact is that without McGoldrick we don't have goals in the team, and it may ultimately cost us dear. 
Had we won 4-0, few people would have argued that was an unfair scoreline. 
Ref was very inconsistent. First half let everything go. Second half totally the opposite, was blowing up for anything and everything, including some very soft ones against us.  

Best performance of the season by an absolute mile, but final touch wasn’t there. I just hope that we don’t throw the baby out with the bath water based on us not winning this game. We suffocated a capable Cambridge side to absolutely no opportunities due to a controlled, concise approach. The final ball lacked, individually not good enough, but the set up and system is one for much promise. 
So, so much better and a progressive performance. I can see a ton more promise with what I saw today than our usual approach of trying to turn the game into a basketball match. 

Performance wise it was much better than we've seen at home. We passed the ball around, looked to open them up and controlled large parts of the game. 
I'm no great fan of his, but it's not Warne's fault Mendez Laing can't control a football when clean through from the half way line, not his fault either than Collins' one-game purple patch lasted, well, one game, or that Waghorn did the near impossible thing of missing the goal with that header. Plus one or two decent if not even gilt edged chances.
I don't think Warne could have done anything other than what he did today, maybe Wilson on earlier. Sibley's set pieces were just as woeful as those which went before him.
Fornah and Nyambe look very good signings. I like a defender who likes to defend. Nelson and Cashin starting to form a strong partnership.
The fact is that without McGoldrick we don't have goals in the team, and it may ultimately cost us dear. 
Had we won 4-0, few people would have argued that was an unfair scoreline. 
Ref was very inconsistent. First half let everything go. Second half totally the opposite, was blowing up for anything and everything, including some very soft ones against us.  

Performance wise it was much better than we've seen at home. We passed the ball around, looked to open them up and controlled large parts of the game. 
I'm no great fan of his, but it's not Warne's fault Mendez Laing can't control a football when clean through from the half way line, not his fault either than Collins' one-game purple patch lasted, well, one game, or that Waghorn did the near impossible thing of missing the goal with that header. Plus one or two decent if not even gilt edged chances.
I don't think Warne could have done anything other than what he did today, maybe Wilson on earlier. Sibley's set pieces were just as woeful as those which went before him.
Fornah and Nyambe look very good signings. I like a defender who likes to defend. Nelson and Cashin starting to form a strong partnership.
The fact is that without McGoldrick we don't have goals in the team, and it may ultimately cost us dear. 
Had we won 4-0, few people would have argued that was an unfair scoreline. 
Ref was very inconsistent. First half let everything go. Second half totally the opposite, was blowing up for anything and everything, including some very soft ones against us.  

I really hate to point this out, but I just can't let it go, I'm sorry. But the irony here is too much for me. 

I really hate to point this out, but I just can't let it go, I'm sorry. But the irony here is too much for me. 

I disagree with this bit. Mendez Laing was clean through on goal after a minute but despite having a run from half way, at some stage managed to run away from goal. That's a clear cut chance. Collins' header in the second half, a clear cut chance. Waghorn's header, a clear cut chance. Barks shot after Mendez's fail, a clear cut chance. Plus we hit the post in the first half (I think, it was down the far end).
We created more than enough to win the game, aside from the admittedly poor two efforts on target.