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To think we've got a thread called 'Warne Out' that's 60 pages long where every man and his dog has had a pop , then tonight it's all coming up Millhouse 

I was in Bristol at the weekend and thought I’d go and see Chris Martin playing for Rovers v Northampton. First half he was the best player on the pitch by far and scored a great goal and missed a sitter.  Northampton pass it around a bit but had nothing at all upfront. Second half they scored when CM went off and Rovers looked a bit lost. 
It should be 3-0 minimum tonight…
 
Therefore I predict 0-0

What’s this about on his Wiki? Mile?

Yeah there obviously are some examples where a club’s fortunes improved after appointing a manager. 
But if you looked at the fortunes of different clubs one year after every appointment in the 92, I bet 90% would be in a similar position in the same league.
Im not saying the manager doesn’t make any difference- im saying there are dozens of other factors (many of which are definitely more impactful) that impact the club and most managerial sackings result in no material gain
Often when a managerial appointment does seem to cause a change in fortunes, it conveniently coincides with other things happening at the club. Arteta at Arsenal is a good example. Maybe he’s a genius? Or maybe his appointment was at the same time as Arsenal finally payin off stadium debt and being able to spend 200 million each summer? Call me cynical but I think the money had a bigger impact 

I think my point about managerial changes stands though. Other than McLaren, did any ultimately make any difference? 
 
I genuinely think as well that it’s unfair to judge Warne outside of this season. Last season we all agreed it was a small, ageing squad which withered late on- arguably understandably given the constraints on the club when building the squad. Warne admitted he should have added one or two more in January and he’s learned from that. I would also have liked him to say he could have trusted the 21s more but you can’t have it all
I can honestly understand everyone’s frustrations at losing to Stevenage but I do think it’s fallacious to call for his head at the moment and am genuinely surprised there aren’t more people who agree (I know there are some)

Maybe it’s just League 1? Maybe the Championship is just better football generally and you see less running, more passing and more skill 
I would say they’ve had moments under Warne where it has been lovely football. Gives me hope that we may see it more consistently 

Maybe it’s just League 1? Maybe the Championship is just better football generally and you see less running, more passing and more skill 
I would say they’ve had moments under Warne where it has been lovely football. Gives me hope that we may see it more consistently 

I think we’re agreeing here. Sack the manager, don’t sack the manager- it doesnt matter. Very few managers make a significant difference anyway and, regardless of what we did, we’d probably still be in the same situation we are now. A possible reason for that is that they don’t get sufficient time to build a squad but I believe that it’s more likely that most managers just don’t impact a team that much- it’s mostly who can buy the best players and a host of other factors (player culture, player circumstance, blind luck across 46 games)
 
It possibly reflects the fact that football managers are nearly always drawn from a tiny pool- ex players- so the diversity, talent and innovation is actually minimal but that’s beside the point I’m trying to make 

I think my point about managerial changes stands though. Other than McLaren, did any ultimately make any difference? 
 
I genuinely think as well that it’s unfair to judge Warne outside of this season. Last season we all agreed it was a small, ageing squad which withered late on- arguably understandably given the constraints on the club when building the squad. Warne admitted he should have added one or two more in January and he’s learned from that. I would also have liked him to say he could have trusted the 21s more but you can’t have it all
I can honestly understand everyone’s frustrations at losing to Stevenage but I do think it’s fallacious to call for his head at the moment and am genuinely surprised there aren’t more people who agree (I know there are some)

That’s exactly what I’m saying though. If we had retained Cocu or Rosenior, the last two coaches we actually sacked from memory, I highly doubt we would have been doing worse than now. Therefore, the money spent on sacking (Cocu, not sure rosenior cost anything) was arguably wasted. 
 
I just think it’s silly to give someone a four year contract and say build the club back up but, if he’s not absolutely smashing the league after one year, to want him sacked 🤷‍♂️

I’m not even sure we’re debating the same thing anymore tbh
Im not necessarily into Warne specifically. I’m into giving someone with a four year contract a bit more patience than sacking him when in 9th after 14 games (to say we’re heading for mid table at season end with 32 games remaining is very dramatic)
I’ll go back to the point that we’ve sacked dozens of managers in recent years and we’ve still ended up in league 1. Is sacking managers really the answer 🤷‍♂️

I think my point about managerial changes stands though. Other than McLaren, did any ultimately make any difference? 
 
I genuinely think as well that it’s unfair to judge Warne outside of this season. Last season we all agreed it was a small, ageing squad which withered late on- arguably understandably given the constraints on the club when building the squad. Warne admitted he should have added one or two more in January and he’s learned from that. I would also have liked him to say he could have trusted the 21s more but you can’t have it all
I can honestly understand everyone’s frustrations at losing to Stevenage but I do think it’s fallacious to call for his head at the moment and am genuinely surprised there aren’t more people who agree (I know there are some)

That’s exactly what I’m saying though. If we had retained Cocu or Rosenior, the last two coaches we actually sacked from memory, I highly doubt we would have been doing worse than now. Therefore, the money spent on sacking (Cocu, not sure rosenior cost anything) was arguably wasted. 
 
I just think it’s silly to give someone a four year contract and say build the club back up but, if he’s not absolutely smashing the league after one year, to want him sacked 🤷‍♂️

Meh maybe 🤷‍♂️

I think my point about managerial changes stands though. Other than McLaren, did any ultimately make any difference? 
 
I genuinely think as well that it’s unfair to judge Warne outside of this season. Last season we all agreed it was a small, ageing squad which withered late on- arguably understandably given the constraints on the club when building the squad. Warne admitted he should have added one or two more in January and he’s learned from that. I would also have liked him to say he could have trusted the 21s more but you can’t have it all
I can honestly understand everyone’s frustrations at losing to Stevenage but I do think it’s fallacious to call for his head at the moment and am genuinely surprised there aren’t more people who agree (I know there are some)

I would like to add in a positive way, it always cracks me up when some fan says “it’s the worse game I’ve ever seen them play” etc……🤣
Really?…how many games have they seen?…1 game perhaps?
I thought we played alright at Stevenage and if the players had been on the same page as PW about not conceding cheap free kicks, as he stated that they were strong at set pieces in his pre match interview etc, he made substitutes to try and compensate from players mistakes, and we would have taken a good away point, against a team that are currently doing well in the league, if we hadn’t given them 2 cheap goals away, which I would have taken as a positive result.
And I know the negative posters are going to state that we shouldn’t be giving away them cheap goals, but they are the fine margins between positive and negative results that PW, staff and players are trying to eradicate.
Some folk are not prepared to be patient in a quick, I want, I need instant success now world we live in, we can’t all play like Man City at a cheap price, which in reality isn’t going to happen. Drip fed on too much Sky Sports and over indulging in drink and the like before games. I stood next to a young bloke absolutely bladdered at Carlisle, kept falling and stumbling down the steps to the exit and watched none of the game, even when he tried, he wouldn’t remember any of it, after the game.
We’ve all seen how long Ipswich, Wolves, Leeds, Sunderland, Portsmouth and many others etc have struggled in the lower leagues and it does take time to rebuild before gaining promotion, especially without the “big” money to spend or waste on football players.
Option 1

or 
Option 2


and a jolly tune to help you along the way.
 

Hi Derby fans, I know you have bigger fish to fry in terms of wanting Warne out, but thought I would provide a little information on the current Northampton side to provide you a little context before tomorrows game.
We are very much a yo-yo side between L1 and L2 and as most expected we are struggling this season. We have not lost any game by more than 1 goal but that is not helping our points tally at all. Injuries have been a massive issue the last 12 months or so, its rare we have had less than 8 out injured. Whilst injuries are part and parcel of the game, when you already have a squad expected to struggle it creates a bit of an impossible task.
We are unlikely to have any of of injured bodies back for Tuesday, which means our best CB and best striker are injured. Considering both boxes is where we need to improve that is not good news! 
Our manager Jon Brady has lived in the area for decades since moving across from Australia. Played for lots of clubs in our region and then got the permanent managers job after managing the U18's. He is extremely passionate (maybe too much so as gets booked so often), but he is also passionate about the club and area which really has built a link with the fan base. He has also done a fantastic job so far in my opinion, developing our style away from just pure long ball which we have endured a lot of over the last few decades. We are not total football by any stretch of the imagination but have the ability to retain the ball far better now. That being said he is clearly getting frustrated at the lack of available bodies and the low budget he has to work with in L1. Despite our lowly position he is still pretty much universally backed by the entire fan base.
In terms of danger man you are right to highlight Sam Hoskins. He has gone from a player who was very much a marmite player amongst the fanbase to a club legend. He has always worked extremely hard and has played in every outfield position for us during his time here. The problem was his work rate would often mean that he was seemingly undroppable which meant he was an easy target. However Brady has recognised that he is comfortably our best finisher, meaning he is now less involved in build up play but much more in the final 3rd which has seen his goal tally rocket. He was the first player to score 20 goals for us since the early 90's and is now top 10 all time in appearances and goals.
Two other players that stand out for us (that are currently fit) are defenders Sam Sherring and Marc Leonard. Sherring is a young defender who is comfortable on the ball and is continuting to develop, i have no doubt he will go onto bigger and better things. Leonard is on load for the second season in a row here from Brighton and is arguably the best natural talent I have seen in the CM for us. We have had Matt Grimes and Matt Crooks here in recent years but Leonard just keeps things ticking over effortlessly.
I wonder if we may set up with a back 3/5 (I know not popular here!) Something along the lines of....
                       Burge 
           Willis Sherring Monthe
Odimayo                               Brough
               Mcwilliams Leonard
Pinnock                                  Hoskins
                    Simpson
 
I am going for a narrow 2-1 loss which is very much the story of our season. A point would be massive for us but despite your recent troubles there are still several levels between the sides.
Looking forward to being back at Pride Park and will post my thoughts after the game. Enjoy the game and rest of the season!

Tuesday 31st October
Pride Park Stadium Kick Off 19:45
Opponents    Northampton Town  ( 20th )
Played 14          W 4         D2      L8         GF 15    GA 17       PTS  14
Current Form 
A Bristol Rovers    L   1-2
H Leyton Orient    D   2-2
A Bolton Wanderers  L   1-2
A Shrewsbury Town   L  0-1
H Reading   W   3-1
A Exeter City  W 2-0
Top Goalscorer - Sam Hoskins - 8 Goals 
 
My first attempt at a Match Day Thread and we go into this important game in hand on the back of a disappointing result and performance away to the mighty Stevenage where it seems Mr Evans done a proper job on us .
This has now become a must win game for many and in some ways we couldn't have picked better opponents as the Cobblers are on a poor run of form failing to win in there last 4 League 1 outings.
There Top Scorer Sam Hoskins looks the most obvious threat currently on 8 Goals which is a good return barring in mind that the Cobblers are sitting 20th and just outside of the drop Zone
I'm personally hoping we really go for it in this one and as far as know only Waggy is definitely missing together with long term absentee TJJ 
Don't know what to expect line up wise but with Ward now back could we possibly go with Warne's preferred 3-5-2 with Nyambe ( who's looked very good ) switching to RCB and Ward coming in at RWB
A big game in many ways and 3 points is a must really  and a good  confidence building performance would be nice and propel us back up to touching distance of the play offs  
This is where our run begins so get used to my MD Threads  ( Big Crossing of Fingers ) 
 
COYR - 3 points please 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I don’t think that’s fair. I think some of it is that whatever he did, people would see things to criticise given they’ve decided he’s no good 
 Also, I do think the reaction of some fans is a bit silly. They’re not exactly rock bottom. They’re well in touch of the top 6 and it’s still early
He always accepts that they need to be better and he understands fan frustration
Fwiw I also think the players are still playing for him

Anyone else still willing to give this time? Don’t seem to be many on the forum.
I don’t think we’ve been that bad (albeit I wasn’t there yesterday). Sounded like we had some good spells in the game though and we’ve had some brilliant performances (Peterborough, Blackpool)
 
Big squad turnover in the summer so willing to give it chance to come together. We’ve had some bad luck with injuries and decisions which will hopefully turn. 
 
I think some of the anti-warne sentiment is the immediate anger of losing to so-called lesser clubs but, unfortunately, we were always going to lose games across a 46 game season so no need to panic 

Think we will win on Tuesday which will make the league position look better. Then the fa cup. Anything could happen in that. Fancy another run in the cup. Then who knows? All is not lost yet. We were just outshytehoused yesterday. 

But we made a change to Warne and haven’t seen an immediate improvement and everyone is calling for his head? What makes you so convinced Warne can’t be the man for the long term? 
 
I dunno, it just seems a shame to me to change so quickly when I highly doubt a managerial change will make any difference (we may start to win games but i think we will under Warne anyway)

I was only kidding. In all honesty, I dont particularly love Warne- his obvious dislike for academy players is a particular gripe of mine
I think he’s fine though and, given time, we’ll improve. Football isn’t that complicated and a new manager will probably do no better in the medium term (unless the players are completely rebelling)
As I said, possibly on another thread, what managerial changes have actually improved us in the last twenty years? Maybe McLaren. In my opinion, shows the fallacy of changing the manager at all really 

The Anti-Warne posts shouldn’t really be posted on here. 
 
This thread is for all us Pro-Warners to dissect the game with calm and patience and retrospectively post smugly in three months when we’ve gone 15 unbeaten 

Glad to hear it 👍🏻 I’m good