PistoldPete

Not quite , parts to the east are infected by Notts and to the North by Chesterfield and even Sheffield. Plus where due to geography or not a fair number of Mancs and plastic Scousers. 

I think you’ll find that Chad Littleover and Alvaston are inside the Derby City Boundary.
Furthermore it’s Derby County not Derby City which gives the Rams a large catchment area within the County. We have also traditionally drawn well from North West Leicestershire and East Staffordshire.
 

Nobody is saying that. They are saying COVID was the proximate cause of the administration , the final straw.

Nobody is saying that. They are saying COVID was the proximate cause of the administration , the final straw.

From EFL statement 17 September
"The EFL entered into a debt raise to provide its Clubs with access to funds that would support them in dealing with the impact of COVID and, as with any loan, this was subject to a timeframe and eligibility criteria which Derby County was unable to meet."
 
So here they say we are unable to meet the eligibility criteria, which according to media reports included not being "suspected of breaching EFL rules". So because they accused us of breaking the rules, (mere accusation being enough) and because they agreed criteria that by definition excluded us from eligibility we didn't get the loan? And now they are saying its because we didn't apply.
 
Quite frankly this goes beyond spin , it is deliberately misleading and dishonest from the EFL. 

If Derby ceased to exist, football would cease to exist. I would cancel Sky Sports and not watch, talk  about  or follow football ever again, at international or club level.
Any Government , football authority,  any entity or person in any way responsible by act of omission or commisison for the demise of Derby would not get my vote, attention or co-operation and would be villified and despised for the rest of their existence. Not that I bear any grudges , mind.

If Derby ceased to exist, football would cease to exist. I would cancel Sky Sports and not watch, talk  about  or follow football ever again, at international or club level.
Any Government , football authority,  any entity or person in any way responsible by act of omission or commisison for the demise of Derby would not get my vote, attention or co-operation and would be villified and despised for the rest of their existence. Not that I bear any grudges , mind.

If Derby ceased to exist, football would cease to exist. I would cancel Sky Sports and not watch, talk  about  or follow football ever again, at international or club level.
Any Government , football authority,  any entity or person in any way responsible by act of omission or commisison for the demise of Derby would not get my vote, attention or co-operation and would be villified and despised for the rest of their existence. Not that I bear any grudges , mind.

If Derby ceased to exist, football would cease to exist. I would cancel Sky Sports and not watch, talk  about  or follow football ever again, at international or club level.
Any Government , football authority,  any entity or person in any way responsible by act of omission or commisison for the demise of Derby would not get my vote, attention or co-operation and would be villified and despised for the rest of their existence. Not that I bear any grudges , mind.

If Derby ceased to exist, football would cease to exist. I would cancel Sky Sports and not watch, talk  about  or follow football ever again, at international or club level.
Any Government , football authority,  any entity or person in any way responsible by act of omission or commisison for the demise of Derby would not get my vote, attention or co-operation and would be villified and despised for the rest of their existence. Not that I bear any grudges , mind.

If Derby ceased to exist, football would cease to exist. I would cancel Sky Sports and not watch, talk  about  or follow football ever again, at international or club level.
Any Government , football authority,  any entity or person in any way responsible by act of omission or commisison for the demise of Derby would not get my vote, attention or co-operation and would be villified and despised for the rest of their existence. Not that I bear any grudges , mind.

If Derby ceased to exist, football would cease to exist. I would cancel Sky Sports and not watch, talk  about  or follow football ever again, at international or club level.
Any Government , football authority,  any entity or person in any way responsible by act of omission or commisison for the demise of Derby would not get my vote, attention or co-operation and would be villified and despised for the rest of their existence. Not that I bear any grudges , mind.

If Derby ceased to exist, football would cease to exist. I would cancel Sky Sports and not watch, talk  about  or follow football ever again, at international or club level.
Any Government , football authority,  any entity or person in any way responsible by act of omission or commisison for the demise of Derby would not get my vote, attention or co-operation and would be villified and despised for the rest of their existence. Not that I bear any grudges , mind.

If Derby ceased to exist, football would cease to exist. I would cancel Sky Sports and not watch, talk  about  or follow football ever again, at international or club level.
Any Government , football authority,  any entity or person in any way responsible by act of omission or commisison for the demise of Derby would not get my vote, attention or co-operation and would be villified and despised for the rest of their existence. Not that I bear any grudges , mind.

If Derby ceased to exist, football would cease to exist. I would cancel Sky Sports and not watch, talk  about  or follow football ever again, at international or club level.
Any Government , football authority,  any entity or person in any way responsible by act of omission or commisison for the demise of Derby would not get my vote, attention or co-operation and would be villified and despised for the rest of their existence. Not that I bear any grudges , mind.

I haven't watched any other football, bar the Euros in patches, last season or this season.  I feel so far removed from the Anfields and Old Traffords nowadays they may as well not exist. I think a lot of it is the buying up and renting back of young players by premier league clubs   Different league so you don't know how they'd perform, but we had to let go two players for around 2.6 million, who will get loaned out for double that over the next 12 months, to Liverpool and Man city. Those two players in our squad this year could have got upwards of 15 million if they played to potential.  Whole thing makes me barf to be honest.

Current LeAgue positions are not that relevant especially as if season ended now both clubs would be in the Championship.
 
it’s the long term future potential for clubs and in that I don’t see that much difference between Newcastle or Sunderland, certainly no more than a 50% discount
 
 

My MP is the same one. She has been useless so far, but I will write to her, maybe attach a copy of the Pauline Latham letter and suggest she write in similar terms to Nadine. Suggest to Nadine.. "You're a celebrity, get us out of this mess". 

My MP is the same one. She has been useless so far, but I will write to her, maybe attach a copy of the Pauline Latham letter and suggest she write in similar terms to Nadine. Suggest to Nadine.. "You're a celebrity, get us out of this mess". 

Their official statement said we were not eligible. Now they say we didn’t apply… well why apply for a loan you know you are not eligible for ? I haven’t applied for any £8 million loans either, for the same reason. As usual disingenuous in the extreme from EFL

Yes you are right. But surely common sense shoudl have suggested it was just a misuse of a techincal term  rather than something more serious , and if in doubt why not just check with the club?
If i said my wife worked as a paedophile in the local hospital would you call the police,  or maybe with some common sense figure that I had accidentally just used the wrong word and actually meant paediatrician? 
 

From EFL statement 17 September
"The EFL entered into a debt raise to provide its Clubs with access to funds that would support them in dealing with the impact of COVID and, as with any loan, this was subject to a timeframe and eligibility criteria which Derby County was unable to meet."
 
So here they say we are unable to meet the eligibility criteria, which according to media reports included not being "suspected of breaching EFL rules". So because they accused us of breaking the rules, (mere accusation being enough) and because they agreed criteria that by definition excluded us from eligibility we didn't get the loan? And now they are saying its because we didn't apply.
 
Quite frankly this goes beyond spin , it is deliberately misleading and dishonest from the EFL. 

Exactly. The timing is significant. The applications were required by end of July 2020 , the IDC verdict was on 25 August which found us substantially not guilty. 
 
so that’s entirely consistent with us applying for an extension pending satisfactory resolution of the charges pending.
 
so still the Efl trying to swerve the main issue which is that it is their own charges that made us ineligible for the loan.

That all sounds very garbled and not consistent with publicly available information.
 
are they saying the loans had to be repaid by 31 July 2021? And we couldn’t commit to that ? If so Well I wouldn’t be surprised .. what’s the point of a loan to cover losses from COVID that needs to be repaid whilst those losses are still accumulating? 

From EFL statement 17 September
"The EFL entered into a debt raise to provide its Clubs with access to funds that would support them in dealing with the impact of COVID and, as with any loan, this was subject to a timeframe and eligibility criteria which Derby County was unable to meet."
 
So here they say we are unable to meet the eligibility criteria, which according to media reports included not being "suspected of breaching EFL rules". So because they accused us of breaking the rules, (mere accusation being enough) and because they agreed criteria that by definition excluded us from eligibility we didn't get the loan? And now they are saying its because we didn't apply.
 
Quite frankly this goes beyond spin , it is deliberately misleading and dishonest from the EFL.