Gee SCREAMER !!

1 hour ago, Bris Vegas said:

Countries follow their star players. In Mexico they regularly have updates on Feyenoord because of Santiago Gimenez.

They will absolutely cover Villarreal.

They won’t cover Derby as we haven’t had any international players since the days of Stimac and Paolo Wanchope. 

None.  We've had loads. Even when we crap we had Kazim-Richards who played for Turkey and had a huge following in Brazil and Mexico.  I'd leave it here mate.😂

8 hours ago, Wolfie said:

LOST.

Hated it so much it has put me off watching so many series since out of fear that they’ll end up crap as well. 
Now I often don’t start watching something until after it’s finished. 

Mr Echo.  Why ?????

13 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

British transfer record when the game was largely domestic. I don't deny Derby that were a big club.

But as soon as football became global, and broadcasted all over the world, Derby got left behind and once smaller clubs like Villarreal have overtaken Derby in global reputation, standing in the game and popularity.

Derby are a well supported club. They may even have more regional fans than Villarreal. If that is your metric for club size then I'm not going to argue with it.

Large regional support unfortunately counts for very little in today's game and top players aren't going to choose Derby over Villarreal anytime soon. 

 

Before the Carlisle match my niece was over from Ireland.  Brought her down to the club shop and got her a load of stuff.  Outside a chap asked if she would like a picture with Rammie by the pitch .  Had a chat with him and he was a supporter liaison.  Showed me photos taken that week of a two coachloads of people from Dublin and Wexford, some blokes from Australia, a couple of Americans, some Croatians and a load of Norwegians all in Derby shirts.    

If I was betting, there would be more followers of Derby around the world than Villareal.

Neither Derby or Villareal will be global brands.  I doubt very much that kids in the Far East will be that interested in an 8th place La Liga team. That moniker relates to Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool, Munich.  Leverkusen went about 50 games unbeaten.  I guarantee this will not make them a global brand.  Look at the Villareal pre season games - St Gallen, Rheindorf Altac , Hannover.  That isn't screaming far east tour as demand too see them is huge. 

58 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said:

Given  Rooney's management record would Cashin want to play for Plymouth. 

No

Might be better with Kemar Roofe for 12 months on a free.  

18 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

Because your average football fan across the world has heard of Villarreal, and they haven’t heard of Derby County.

Villarreal have a name, not just from winning the Europa League, but because of the many international players they have had. 

Derby do not. When Derby won the old First Division, most players were domestic back then and news likely didn’t travel.

Villarreal have been apart of huge deals, renowned world stars.

Derby’s record signing was a second tier Englishman from Norwich before we beat that again with Vydra.

Our record signing barely got in Burnley’s side yet Villarreal had world cup winners in their squad.

Times have moved on. Famous players, the best of our generation and past 20 years, will have faced and lost against Villarreal. They wouldn’t have even heard of Derby County.

Derby have broke the British transfer record on about 6 occasions . Three times in the 90's.  Winning the Europa league is the Papa Johns of European football.  Every  failure from every European competition plus the team that has the brightest underpants plays for it.Whatever way you cut, no one over the age of 25 will give a s*** about Villereal as they were a 3/4/5 division team for over 50 years.  There are a lot more people over 25 than not.

The normal routine for a Leeds playoff .  Fans full of s***,  players s*** the bed. 

4 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

Their global reputation is far higher than Derby.

I’ve no doubt Derby were a big club once. But being a big club 50 years ago doesn’t mean we are one today.

Derby have been caught up and overtaken by once smaller clubs. We may have a richer history than Brighton, but a good chunk of our fans today weren’t even alive when Derby were winning trophies and today we have the same potential.

Why is their global reputation far higher.? We have actually won trophies as well. We're not Real Madrid by any means but  their only domestic trophy was winning the 4th division.  We've never even dropped that low, they spent 40 years there.  I think i'm out of this one.  

4 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

It seems most people are just using attendances as the main factor in club size.

That’s your opinion. But I think it doesn’t make much sense.

Derby aren’t a bigger club than Villarreal.

West Ham aren’t a bigger club than Liverpool.

The 5k difference in stadium attendances between clubs means so little in the grand scheme of things.

 

I've not looked much at them before but you've mentioned them a few times so looked. Only formed in 1920's started as a league club in Division 5 in the 40's, then spent the next 50 years between that league and Division 3.  six years in the second division and promoted but immediately relegated, them promoted for about 12 years then relegated and back up.  They have won a couple of intertoto cups which as we all now was a kickabout to qualify for an actual tournament .  I'm not getting the bigger club. Distinct whiff of Deportivo but without winning ought.

1 hour ago, S8TY said:

Nothing to do with how you've faired over the years or how successful you've been...Leeds would get 30K plus in any division I'd say and so would Sheff Weds because they are big clubs big fan base and lots of tradition

WestHam are now getting big attendances but you can put any team in a 60K stadium and the crowd would be a gauge for how big that club is...MK Dons can only get a few thousand in there stadium so ground size is irrelevant,unless you need a bigger stadium Leeds will always have a big following , Bournemouth won't even if they stayed in the prem for another ten years , the size of the club is measured by how many people will follow you through the turnstiles....This is why Forest can win as many European Cups as they like but they are NOT as big a club as us Forest would not get 27000 in L1 like we just did ...Villa would still get 30K plus 

Bournemouth would not waste there money on a new 50,000 stadium as they wouldn't fill it and if came down to championship or L1 would probably only get 10K through the door , Sheff Weds and Leeds would get 30-40K in the premier 

Size of club is surely measured on the interest from the public how can you be defined as a so called big club yet only get 20k to actually want to watch it at a home game 

Fair enough if attendance is a barometer  It is, but I tend to look at years in the top flight,  quality of signings over years, top half finishes etc as well.  Re Leeds, they averaged about 3k lower than us in League 1 and that was boosted by a 38k crowd against someone in the last game of the season, so probably  about 23k in reality.  Id imagine Sheff Wed probably same as us.  Sunderland got bigger crowds. 

4 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

Size of the club for me is on potential, global reputation and the probability of a player joining your club over another.

The latter comes down to finances and current position. Currently Bournemouth could buy our best player, we couldn’t attract theirs. That can change in 5 years.

But on the whole, the bigger clubs have bigger finances.

And when Derby and West Ham were both in the PL, our two better players left us for them in a move up the ladder.

Palace, Brighton, Derby, Forest, Leicester, Birmingham, Wolves, West Brom, Stoke, Sheff Wed, Sheff Utd, Hull, Coventry, Middlesbrough, Swansea, Cardiff, Blackburn, Bolton.

We are all clubs who will find our natural place between PL bottom 10 and Championship as that is where we are in terms of club size.

As I mentioned.  It was Derby looking to move them on , not West Ham making an offer and them demanding to go. 

1 minute ago, europia said:

It's probably fair to say that there are 'smaller' clubs in the PL than Derby County, but many of those mentioned are better performing clubs on and off the field, and that's what counts if we are measuring levels of success. 

Just an observation also, regarding the geographical aspect, considering the likes of Bournemouth, Brighton, Palace, Fulham, Brentford. Perhaps considered more attractive for investment, player recruitment etc, due to southern location? 

Todays results from Canon League Division 3, 26 May 1983,  Football insanity.

10 minutes ago, S8TY said:

Derby are bigger club than all the clubs you mention , Birmingham Palace and Stoke more so...no way are Palace a bigger club than us 

Leeds are a big club as are Sheff Weds,Sunderland, and West Ham and bigger than us I'd say but Middlesbrough aren't for example

What makes you think Palace are bigger club than us , we average bigger crowds, larger fan base, won the league more times and a sign of a big club is what the home attendances are .....how can you be a big club with 21000 at home when we get 27000 in L1

I'd give you these as big clubs.  West Ham never and Leeds had  a good ten years but were a nothing side till the 60's and had 4 or 5 good years in the last 50.  

2 hours ago, ziggyram59 said:

Mary O'Brien as a colleague of mine knew her in the 80's . Had really bad sales on release in 69 but very popular LP now.  A favourite of Roger Daltrey 

47 minutes ago, Chester40 said:

Quite possibly...

But he's not got a wealth of experience or any track record of 'success'.

He's all style and appearance at the moment. Nothing against him at all but he doesn't strike me as that much of a leader. Nice bloke, reasonably charismatic,  lots of high-minded ideas... be interested to see what happens when the wheels start to come off.

Paul Clement looked mustard and had the way about him that felt he could go a long way.....that quickly unravelled!

Surprised Plymouth didn't think about him.  He'll have family in Bristol so could probably live half way.  Much better option.

I'm going to look at our history of loan players from Spurs who were highly regarded and going to be pushing to be part of their first team squad............

Thats a negative Houston

3 hours ago, Big Trav said:

Do like Troy Parrott

When he's been on loan at any UK club he's been pants.  Particularly Ipswich, remember them thinking he was awful. 

3 hours ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Nixon suggested we’re interested in Herbie Kane following his release from Barnsley;

Also the local Sheffield papers dropped our name into alleged interest in Josh Windass;

In theory they are more reputable rumours as the people sharing them are at least journalists employed by news outlets, BUT there’s also every chance they’re just driving traffic to their own sites by using the name of our club knowing the size of the fan base. All other rumours so far have come from fairly questionable social media accounts as @JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said.

Going by our other signings under Warne (other than CBT) the news of who we’re actually signing probably won’t break until the deals are pretty much signed. There’s more to the multiple people on here saying about Iversen than some of the other rumours for me, seems news of people being shown round Moor Farm spotted by an employee and passed on to a mate is more likely than journalists knowing what’s happening.

19 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

I mean, I guess it all depends on how you’d categorise a big club.

The way I see it is global reputation, and when offered the same deal, who a player is likely to choose.

Very few people have heard of Derby County outside the UK. Far more have heard of West Ham. As a global reputation, their reach has always been greater.

And going back to players, we have lost better players to West Ham despite playing in the same division as them. Not the other way around. 

If you measure titles, Huddersfield are bigger than us. If you measure stadium size, then Sunderland are bigger than Villa and Derby are bigger than Villarreal and Fiorentina.

I measure it on 40 more years as league club, 2 League titles but also 3 times runner up, overall time spent in the top division and attendance when you not. We've also broke the British record on transfers both in and out on a fair few occasions as recently as 3 in 12 months in the 90's. Wanchope left and Stimac left as the club decided to sell, both went for under market value. One due to injury record and one due to attitude.  West Ham wasn't' their desired move it was the best available.   West Hams global reach really relates prior to the last 10 years on having a sensationalised hooligan element rather than the playing of intricate top end football, they had one period of about 25 years in division 2.

I'm not convinced that putting West Ham and Derby side by side in the premier League with the same wage offer, that a player would choose West Ham other than the living in London which equates to geography rather than club size. 

Re players moving from club to club, don't know but I'd imagine , certainly prior to 25 years it was because they weren't good enough to play here rather than stepping up. 

5 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

Unless people just consider size of club is based on trophies won?

Derby’s 2 league titles and 1 FA Cup is better than West Ham’s 3 FA Cups.

But West Ham beat Derby in every other category, from stadium size, to famous players, to global support, to attractiveness for players, to finances, to global reputation.

There is a reason why players like Stimac and Wanchope left Derby for West Ham, especially the latter who had his whole career ahead of him. They moved up the ladder, not sideways or down.

And when West Ham got relegated, it was a massive deal as they were rightfully dubbed a huge club for the Championship. They bounced back right away, similar to Newcastle, because that’s what the big clubs do as they have larger resources and the name to attract better players.

Derby may have been a name back in the 70s. But that is 50 years ago now and over the past 40 years 80% of the time has been spent in the 2nd tier.

We are similar to West Brom, Coventry, Norwich, Ipswich, Middlesbrough, Sheffield United, Blackburn, Leicester, Forest, Sheff Wed, Brighton. Throw a blanket over all of us. A ceiling of midtable PL, with the only current difference down to a mixture of recruitment and luck.

West Ham have always been a step up on the ladder, likewise Everton, Villa and Newcastle. A long with the big six, they are the top 10. 

Everton and Villa . More famous players. Norwich and Brighton.  West Ham have spent nigh on 40 years in Championship level football and the same amount arsing around the tale end of Div 1 as it was.  Before that they spent 2 years playing in the Southern League. 

Pass the Dutchie matey it's a good un.

4 hours ago, Bris Vegas said:

Derby have never been a similar size to West Ham. We're a similar size club to West Brom, Norwich and Coventry City. Not West Ham who are and always have been a top 10 sized club in this country.

 

They've only finished in the Top 10 about 15 times and most of them have been 8th -10th in over 100 years

10 hours ago, Stive Pesley said:

Hair Dog is the old Flamingo & Firkin pub on Beckett St. They put bands on and is generally an alternative vibe

Electric Daisy Garden is a lovely plot that they have established at the bottom of Sadler Gate on the site of the (now demolished) Princes Supermarket. It's a hippy-ish green endeavour - an actual city garden with lots of plants/fruit/veg being grown and food trucks / bar

Popworld is a terrible chain night club in the old Friary on Friargate (used to be It's A Scream)

See also Dubrek - a community venue/rehearsal room/bar/recording studio on Bridge Street in one of the old Uni  bars. Absolutely thriving 

And of course the Bustler Market is now well established in the old Chocolate Factory on John Street

At Xmas they had a brilliant Nordic Ski Lodge set up on the Market Place too

So much amazing new stuff going on in Derby if people only bother to engage

Of course it's much easier to sit on your arse and snipe from the comfort of your own home about how you haven't seen a plant pot since the days when you used to be able to see your own knob when you had an angry w*nk

 

Never had one of those.  Seen plenty of angry w****** though.  Keep posting 

2 hours ago, Reggie Greenwood said:

My WHU  supporting mate would say they are a lot bigger now having a 62k seat stadium in fact bigger than most London clubs potentially in the near future. When they played at the Boleyn yes very much a similar size. 

the same West Ham who got a free stadium funded by the taxpayer for an incredible sum.  Always worth mentioning when Derby are mentioned as owing millions in lost tax. 

4 minutes ago, Roots Manuva said:

do Vitesse in the Eredivisie take this honour now even with an asterisk next to it for their points deduction?

 

Already gone.  FC Edinburgh or a few before.  We never really had it.   A figment of SKY tv and our friends from Mordor. 

27 minutes ago, Crewton said:

Many top footballers hand their lives over to a team of advisors. Thierry Henry had a team of about 6 at the end of his playing career, led by David Dein's son. One of them had a credit card with which he bought anything and everything that TH might want or need - and the advisors were paid a 10% fee on the value of all purchases.

Imagine trying to take control of your own life when you've got used to that? I imagine Rooney will always need a level of financial support like that.

Remember a story of some fella on a flight sat next to Fellani who was playing for Utd at the time.   Crew came round with refreshments and he bought 2 chocolate bars, handed her a £50 note and said is that enough.  Different world.