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Not meant to be harsh just an indictment of where we are so far. 
And I made reference to the fact that we had to and still will have to limit the talent pool we're fishing in due to having to deal with freebies.
Just think that our current squads abilities is nowhere near where some supporters think it is and this disconnect shows up in their personal expectations.

Far too early to be making assertions this is all playing philosophy related and saying don’t like the look of Warneball. He’s been here 2 weeks and today commented on how we lacked control of the midfield so today is clearly not how he wants to play.
I thought Liam should’ve been given the job but we’ve got Warne and he needs to be given time. I labelled him a long ball merchant but after doing my research he’s someone who adapts to what he has and hopefully we’ll see that in time.

Just seen the red card! That is an absolute f****** disgrace!!! Never a red card in 1 million years! He never touched him!!! Clearly hitting the ground! Shocker absolute shocker! Worst decision of the lot

Far too early to be making assertions this is all playing philosophy related and saying don’t like the look of Warneball. He’s been here 2 weeks and today commented on how we lacked control of the midfield so today is clearly not how he wants to play.
I thought Liam should’ve been given the job but we’ve got Warne and he needs to be given time. I labelled him a long ball merchant but after doing my research he’s someone who adapts to what he has and hopefully we’ll see that in time.

Far too early to be making assertions this is all playing philosophy related and saying don’t like the look of Warneball. He’s been here 2 weeks and today commented on how we lacked control of the midfield so today is clearly not how he wants to play.
I thought Liam should’ve been given the job but we’ve got Warne and he needs to be given time. I labelled him a long ball merchant but after doing my research he’s someone who adapts to what he has and hopefully we’ll see that in time.

Did we play well - No
Did we contribute to our own downfall - yes 
Did the referees performance fundamentally change the game in vales favour - absolutely 
Not been so angry at a football match for many many years. Despite not playing well we’d created the better chances looked more threatening and at 1-1 felt we’d just upped it and it was only a matter of time before we’d go on and win the game - then the sending off happened. I need to see it again but right now im not having it, and certainly don’t see how the ref can give it from the position he was in (ie. 30 yards away), and how their player avoided any punishment for pushing our player in the face in the aftermath god knows. 
Vale got away with murder all game. Yes we were poor, I can take getting beat when it’s deserved but my overriding feeling is injustice and nothing pushes my angry buttons more than injustice. Vale have now made it on my shitlist and I’m already looking forward to the return game where hopefully we’ll give them a good pasting!

Did we play well - No
Did we contribute to our own downfall - yes 
Did the referees performance fundamentally change the game in vales favour - absolutely 
Not been so angry at a football match for many many years. Despite not playing well we’d created the better chances looked more threatening and at 1-1 felt we’d just upped it and it was only a matter of time before we’d go on and win the game - then the sending off happened. I need to see it again but right now im not having it, and certainly don’t see how the ref can give it from the position he was in (ie. 30 yards away), and how their player avoided any punishment for pushing our player in the face in the aftermath god knows. 
Vale got away with murder all game. Yes we were poor, I can take getting beat when it’s deserved but my overriding feeling is injustice and nothing pushes my angry buttons more than injustice. Vale have now made it on my shitlist and I’m already looking forward to the return game where hopefully we’ll give them a good pasting!

Far too early to be making assertions this is all playing philosophy related and saying don’t like the look of Warneball. He’s been here 2 weeks and today commented on how we lacked control of the midfield so today is clearly not how he wants to play.
I thought Liam should’ve been given the job but we’ve got Warne and he needs to be given time. I labelled him a long ball merchant but after doing my research he’s someone who adapts to what he has and hopefully we’ll see that in time.

Far too early to be making assertions this is all playing philosophy related and saying don’t like the look of Warneball. He’s been here 2 weeks and today commented on how we lacked control of the midfield so today is clearly not how he wants to play.
I thought Liam should’ve been given the job but we’ve got Warne and he needs to be given time. I labelled him a long ball merchant but after doing my research he’s someone who adapts to what he has and hopefully we’ll see that in time.

Did we play well - No
Did we contribute to our own downfall - yes 
Did the referees performance fundamentally change the game in vales favour - absolutely 
Not been so angry at a football match for many many years. Despite not playing well we’d created the better chances looked more threatening and at 1-1 felt we’d just upped it and it was only a matter of time before we’d go on and win the game - then the sending off happened. I need to see it again but right now im not having it, and certainly don’t see how the ref can give it from the position he was in (ie. 30 yards away), and how their player avoided any punishment for pushing our player in the face in the aftermath god knows. 
Vale got away with murder all game. Yes we were poor, I can take getting beat when it’s deserved but my overriding feeling is injustice and nothing pushes my angry buttons more than injustice. Vale have now made it on my shitlist and I’m already looking forward to the return game where hopefully we’ll give them a good pasting!

Far too early to be making assertions this is all playing philosophy related and saying don’t like the look of Warneball. He’s been here 2 weeks and today commented on how we lacked control of the midfield so today is clearly not how he wants to play.
I thought Liam should’ve been given the job but we’ve got Warne and he needs to be given time. I labelled him a long ball merchant but after doing my research he’s someone who adapts to what he has and hopefully we’ll see that in time.

Far too early to be making assertions this is all playing philosophy related and saying don’t like the look of Warneball. He’s been here 2 weeks and today commented on how we lacked control of the midfield so today is clearly not how he wants to play.
I thought Liam should’ve been given the job but we’ve got Warne and he needs to be given time. I labelled him a long ball merchant but after doing my research he’s someone who adapts to what he has and hopefully we’ll see that in time.

Far too early to be making assertions this is all playing philosophy related and saying don’t like the look of Warneball. He’s been here 2 weeks and today commented on how we lacked control of the midfield so today is clearly not how he wants to play.
I thought Liam should’ve been given the job but we’ve got Warne and he needs to be given time. I labelled him a long ball merchant but after doing my research he’s someone who adapts to what he has and hopefully we’ll see that in time.

Did we play well - No
Did we contribute to our own downfall - yes 
Did the referees performance fundamentally change the game in vales favour - absolutely 
Not been so angry at a football match for many many years. Despite not playing well we’d created the better chances looked more threatening and at 1-1 felt we’d just upped it and it was only a matter of time before we’d go on and win the game - then the sending off happened. I need to see it again but right now im not having it, and certainly don’t see how the ref can give it from the position he was in (ie. 30 yards away), and how their player avoided any punishment for pushing our player in the face in the aftermath god knows. 
Vale got away with murder all game. Yes we were poor, I can take getting beat when it’s deserved but my overriding feeling is injustice and nothing pushes my angry buttons more than injustice. Vale have now made it on my shitlist and I’m already looking forward to the return game where hopefully we’ll give them a good pasting!

Did we play well - No
Did we contribute to our own downfall - yes 
Did the referees performance fundamentally change the game in vales favour - absolutely 
Not been so angry at a football match for many many years. Despite not playing well we’d created the better chances looked more threatening and at 1-1 felt we’d just upped it and it was only a matter of time before we’d go on and win the game - then the sending off happened. I need to see it again but right now im not having it, and certainly don’t see how the ref can give it from the position he was in (ie. 30 yards away), and how their player avoided any punishment for pushing our player in the face in the aftermath god knows. 
Vale got away with murder all game. Yes we were poor, I can take getting beat when it’s deserved but my overriding feeling is injustice and nothing pushes my angry buttons more than injustice. Vale have now made it on my shitlist and I’m already looking forward to the return game where hopefully we’ll give them a good pasting!

Did we play well - No
Did we contribute to our own downfall - yes 
Did the referees performance fundamentally change the game in vales favour - absolutely 
Not been so angry at a football match for many many years. Despite not playing well we’d created the better chances looked more threatening and at 1-1 felt we’d just upped it and it was only a matter of time before we’d go on and win the game - then the sending off happened. I need to see it again but right now im not having it, and certainly don’t see how the ref can give it from the position he was in (ie. 30 yards away), and how their player avoided any punishment for pushing our player in the face in the aftermath god knows. 
Vale got away with murder all game. Yes we were poor, I can take getting beat when it’s deserved but my overriding feeling is injustice and nothing pushes my angry buttons more than injustice. Vale have now made it on my shitlist and I’m already looking forward to the return game where hopefully we’ll give them a good pasting!

Far too early to be making assertions this is all playing philosophy related and saying don’t like the look of Warneball. He’s been here 2 weeks and today commented on how we lacked control of the midfield so today is clearly not how he wants to play.
I thought Liam should’ve been given the job but we’ve got Warne and he needs to be given time. I labelled him a long ball merchant but after doing my research he’s someone who adapts to what he has and hopefully we’ll see that in time.

Far too early to be making assertions this is all playing philosophy related and saying don’t like the look of Warneball. He’s been here 2 weeks and today commented on how we lacked control of the midfield so today is clearly not how he wants to play.
I thought Liam should’ve been given the job but we’ve got Warne and he needs to be given time. I labelled him a long ball merchant but after doing my research he’s someone who adapts to what he has and hopefully we’ll see that in time.

Spot on post ?

Far too early to be making assertions this is all playing philosophy related and saying don’t like the look of Warneball. He’s been here 2 weeks and today commented on how we lacked control of the midfield so today is clearly not how he wants to play.
I thought Liam should’ve been given the job but we’ve got Warne and he needs to be given time. I labelled him a long ball merchant but after doing my research he’s someone who adapts to what he has and hopefully we’ll see that in time.

Did we play well - No
Did we contribute to our own downfall - yes 
Did the referees performance fundamentally change the game in vales favour - absolutely 
Not been so angry at a football match for many many years. Despite not playing well we’d created the better chances looked more threatening and at 1-1 felt we’d just upped it and it was only a matter of time before we’d go on and win the game - then the sending off happened. I need to see it again but right now im not having it, and certainly don’t see how the ref can give it from the position he was in (ie. 30 yards away), and how their player avoided any punishment for pushing our player in the face in the aftermath god knows. 
Vale got away with murder all game. Yes we were poor, I can take getting beat when it’s deserved but my overriding feeling is injustice and nothing pushes my angry buttons more than injustice. Vale have now made it on my shitlist and I’m already looking forward to the return game where hopefully we’ll give them a good pasting!

Did we play well - No
Did we contribute to our own downfall - yes 
Did the referees performance fundamentally change the game in vales favour - absolutely 
Not been so angry at a football match for many many years. Despite not playing well we’d created the better chances looked more threatening and at 1-1 felt we’d just upped it and it was only a matter of time before we’d go on and win the game - then the sending off happened. I need to see it again but right now im not having it, and certainly don’t see how the ref can give it from the position he was in (ie. 30 yards away), and how their player avoided any punishment for pushing our player in the face in the aftermath god knows. 
Vale got away with murder all game. Yes we were poor, I can take getting beat when it’s deserved but my overriding feeling is injustice and nothing pushes my angry buttons more than injustice. Vale have now made it on my shitlist and I’m already looking forward to the return game where hopefully we’ll give them a good pasting!

Did we play well - No
Did we contribute to our own downfall - yes 
Did the referees performance fundamentally change the game in vales favour - absolutely 
Not been so angry at a football match for many many years. Despite not playing well we’d created the better chances looked more threatening and at 1-1 felt we’d just upped it and it was only a matter of time before we’d go on and win the game - then the sending off happened. I need to see it again but right now im not having it, and certainly don’t see how the ref can give it from the position he was in (ie. 30 yards away), and how their player avoided any punishment for pushing our player in the face in the aftermath god knows. 
Vale got away with murder all game. Yes we were poor, I can take getting beat when it’s deserved but my overriding feeling is injustice and nothing pushes my angry buttons more than injustice. Vale have now made it on my shitlist and I’m already looking forward to the return game where hopefully we’ll give them a good pasting!

It's amazing how differently people see things at a football match! It seems most people think the Rams were pretty poor, even awful for mot of the match. I saw it that we could have been 2 or 3 up at half time, and all match long Port Vale only threatened our goal 3 times - and one of those wasn't the first penalty, which wasn't even on target. And yes, justice was done by that miss.
And yes as was apoplectic about the ref for most of the match. He was appallingly bad in the first half, but was screwing both side, because he had absolutely no idea what an agenda was. Clearly the EFL put him right on that one at half time. Having said that, Vale should have been down to ten men long before half time. Their number 22 spent virtually the entire match diving to the floor, and should have been carded for it, so his actual yellow card for the foul should have been his second. 
So when he committed that yellow card foul in front of the dug-outs in the second half, he should have been walking off. The ref dodged the issue by playing the advantage, but then failing to go back and deal with the foul afterwards. The first penalty should have been a yellow card for simulation - a very harsh decision, given by the linesman, the second one the ref gave from 30 yards behind the play, as he was for most of his poor decisions. He gave offside following a Derby free-kick from 30 yards behind the play (again) when the lino hadn't seen anything, and had no idea what was going on, until the ref indicated offside, and had to tell him to put his flag up - which he did, pointing straight up into the sky because he still didn't know what was going on.. Again, how I don't know because there were defenders between the Derby players and the goal.
And the Collins incident - Collins was wrestled to the floor, the defender pulling Collins down on top of himself, so regardless of the "afters", it should have been a penalty. 
A penalty to Derby County? Are you being serious, Dave? But he was able to instantaneously give the red card from  - yes, you've guessed it - 30 yards behind the play. No way could he see what had happened, and seemed determined to wade in with his card regardless. But when Collins was then thrown to the floor, what did he do? Nowt. AS he did when Max Birds was tripped running into the area. Come on - that is two very good penalty shouts come to nothing. And when Sibley was wrestled to the ground right near the end, it was somehow a free- kick to Port Vale. Someone reckoned at wasn't yet another penalty denied, but that must come from having aspirations of becoming an EFL match official. What made it worse was the Vale player giving Sibley a playful double slap to the cheek as he got up, rubbing things in - the Vale man knew what had gone on, no doubt. 
The turning point was the decision ignoring the trip on Max Bird in the area - that made it blatantly clear that the match was never going to go our way, as were the vast majority of decisions, and sadly our heads went down from that point onwards. So it was only a matter of time before that 2nd goal went in. And to their credit Vale did take advantage of the extra man.
And about whether the police should get involved for Collins assaulting the Port Vale player - they certainly should get involved with their keep after the match had ended, because he was winding the Derby fans up, and actually told the South Standers to meet him outside - and yes there were some stood near the Vale team coach afterwards to have "words" with him. That is inciting the crowd to violence, which I believe is an arrestable offence.
It is the first match in ages where the officials were escorted off the pitch before any of the players - they normally wait until the Derby players come across to the South Stand so it sounds like were are applauding them off the pitch. Not today - they were running away as soon as they possibly could.
There is a tweet going round showing how the opposition manager met with this ref after a previous match where he had made some awful decisions against Port Vale. Not that we can read anything into this, of course, but it is funny how things turned out today.
I left the ground today disappointed and very angry, but also pleased with how Derby were trying to get things moving forwards every time they got the ball, and were the only team really threatening the goal. If that chance which Knight put wide had gone in, we would have been two up after only 7 minutes, and game over. There were several clearances on or near the goal line. IF their number 22 (and no, I have no intention of bothering to look his name up) had been properly dealt with for his misdemeanours, or if we had been given just on of the three good penalty shouts, we would have won that. And if we hadn't let our heads go down at the appalling decisions going against us, we may well have won. When we are moving forwards, it is not so silky smooth and easy on the eye as it was under Rosenior, but it is one heck of a lot faster and with a whole load of purpose, which to me is much more exciting. There is much to be hopeful about with this team. Stick around guys and stay wit us. I believe we are going somewhere!

Actually the right call by Forest to stick with him, will be better for them long term and he is their best bet to bounce back when they go down.
But if they lose a few more the owner will blow a gasket again and this time won’t be talked around. They make out they’re such a well run club, yet this week their owner nearly fired their Manager CEO and recruitment team because he was pissed off and was clearly talked around. 
 
Expect a huge outpouring of support and demonstration of how great we are from their fans before kick off only for a mass exodus midway through the second half when they’re getting beat.