Andrew3000

I can understand why the EFL would want the admins to pay the fee if they were to appeal but a couple of things...
They want to add more points if an appeal is rejected? Isnt the minus 12 points deducted for admin already enough?
Secondly, where is the part in which they take accountability for their own actions? Wigan for example, went into admin due to their owner losing interest after a few months, how did they even pass the EFLs owners tests? Surely some blame lies at their door?
All these current owners wanting to vote for these new rules, cant wait for it to bite them on their arse, these are the same people who didnt fight for more TV money & voted in the ridiculous FFP/P&S rules.

Curtis Davies goal machine.

Obviously. ?

I'll not drink from any other mug than these 3

This strikes me as smug and and contemptuous. Who are you dismissing as idiots? This is a complex scientific and ethical situation within a context where access to information is not open. It surprises me that anyone feels certain about what is right.

Interesting that they think we could exit admin in 3 weeks, would be amazing if it could be done then as you would think everything will be resolved with regards to ongoing cases with the EFL, Boro & Wycombe, plus sorting the debts our with HMRC (discussions next week with them) etc as well as the P&S deduction - also said could be done by 1st week of Jan at the latest

Andrew Hosking just done a very positive 15 minute interview on talksport. Mr Kirchner sounds like the real deal.
From 10.35am.
Thank me later.

This strikes me as smug and and contemptuous. Who are you dismissing as idiots? This is a complex scientific and ethical situation within a context where access to information is not open. It surprises me that anyone feels certain about what is right.

I have it on good authority the ‘new hurdle’ is that the EFL have added surviving a snake pit and being able to walk across hot coals to its fit and proper person test. 

This strikes me as smug and and contemptuous. Who are you dismissing as idiots? This is a complex scientific and ethical situation within a context where access to information is not open. It surprises me that anyone feels certain about what is right.

I have questions.
 

Totally agree and that's why I asked the follow up question about it in the latest list of questions that Rams Trust have sent to EFL. Not going to let them off the hook that easily. 

Agreed, when your rules are holding young players development back its time to have a good look at yourself 
 
I was disappointed (as if my expectations weren't low enough) of the EFLs reply to question in that essentially saying it was our choice to bring in a few experienced frees this summer instead of promoting them... Bol1@%s 
 
Imagine the the difference for Cashin playing amongst Curtis and Jags, compared to Cashin-Brown at the back! 
 
I seem to recall Bolton pulled out of fixtures saying their youth team getting destroyed by senior teams was actually detrimental to their development, that's how we'd have been without Jags, Curtis, Stears, Bolldock, Morriston etc
 
Rant over.... For now 

This strikes me as smug and and contemptuous. Who are you dismissing as idiots? This is a complex scientific and ethical situation within a context where access to information is not open. It surprises me that anyone feels certain about what is right.

Is this a poll for renaming the stadium? 
Gluttony Park has a certain ring to it.... ?

With Knight and Baldock out it was selection error to start Festy high up the pitch and leave Sibbo on the bench and play Stretton in the U23s. Festy will be a phenomenal right back or right wingback. I can understand if it's late in a game you're chasing you might gamble on his pace and power and bring him on there in a substitute role, but football's a simple game and requires round pegs in round holes.

Wonderful post that, captures my thoughts precisely.  Other clubs must set aside the competitive mentality for once because otherwise they collude with misuse of power which as you sat, could one day hurt them.

Wonderful post that, captures my thoughts precisely.  Other clubs must set aside the competitive mentality for once because otherwise they collude with misuse of power which as you sat, could one day hurt them.

It's rules such as above that builds this "vendetta" that some believe the EFL have towards us.
Let's not forget here, the EFL signed off on our accounts, they only became an issue when they looked into the stadium valuation despite Kieran Maguire alerting the EFL to take a look at our accounts a long long time before the stadium sale was made public.
Meanwhile clubs such as QPR smashed the FFP rules the season we played them at Wembley, were Derby crying and threatening to sue the EFL and QPR, no.
Gibson however, well he's been a dog with a bone on this. I suspect the EFL would not have appealed and pushed as hard if they didn't have this threat hanging over them, and this all may look like paranoia, but honestly tell me I'm wrong.
The EFL will not want this in court, front and back pages of the paper for the country to see their handling of all this.
I find it hard to take that we're being punished for something historically which was approved by the EFL, the punishment doesn't feel like it fits the crime either.
We've been under embargo for the best part of a year, unable to strengthen the team, can't submit accounts as there is an argument over accountancy methods which are not in the EFL rules.
We're then being denied an opportunity of an interest free loan that could have helped prevent us going into admin because of the above investigation, so we're hit with -12.
Yet that doesn't appear to be enough as they want a further 9 point deduction.
At what point are we allowed to feel a little annoyed by what the EFL have done here, I'm amazed other club fans are actually enjoying this when it could be their club next.
We have a club down the A52 with an owner sending players between his 2 clubs in plain sight, how is this not been flagged up as a potential FFP issue, can you imagine transfer negotiations? It's a table with 2 chairs and just himself. 
It just stinks, it really does. Maybe I'm biased as this is my club, but it does absolutely feel like a vendetta that won't end until they have us in League 1.
When you look at what Rooney and this team are up against, it's incredible the fight they continue to show on the pitch. They don't deserve to have a relegation on their CV's, not one of them.
If we somehow stay up against the EFL's best efforts to send us down, without a doubt Rooney should be manager of the season, not that the EFL would be brave enough to award it him.

We all take our chances.  You bet on the vaccine, i on natural immunity.  Time will tell.

We'll have to agree to disagree then I'm afraid ?  
You can still catch and spread covid after being vaccinated, being vaccinated however is 90%+ effective at keeping you out of hospital - you primarily get vaccinated to protect yourself and the older generations/vulnerable shouldn't really think twice about it.  The same principle applies to German Measles, if you are thinking about getting pregnant get the shot and protect yourself.
Maybe when the longer term data is in and the vaccines have been proven as safe as traditional vaccines I will change my mind but until that point I am strongly opposed to vaccinating teenagers.

Not sure who he is or what he's trying to show?
Are we now using different figures to the ones the Govt have produced since the pandemic started to get the results 'we' want?
Regardless... the top graph still shows substantial infection rates in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, which as stated, is the only thing I'm concerned with re. any potential introduction of covid passports.

There is no surprise to me. 
Just concerned why covid passports are being introduced in various places around the world - and aren't completely off the table here, if they don't actually do anything to reduce the spread of covid?  

Not to mention vaccinating children at no threat from COVID , there’s been so much from day one that makes no sense whatsoever ?‍♂️

Or you could if you were old  just sack those care home workers that cared for the old when there were no vaccines putting they’re lives and lives of they’re families at risk for others if they don’t now take vaccine for any reason ( far more selfless than many gp s )  ??‍♂️,, perhaps we could arrange an extra clap  on our doorsteps for them 
the predictable thing about all this is the most selfish pretending for all they’re worth to be the selfless and calling anyone who doesn’t fall in line with what they believe keeps them safe the selfish ones , wasn’t it the selfish young generation just wanting a pint or fun with they’re mates , now we want to pump vaccine into kids who are not at risk from covid ,,,,
do me a favour , the selfishness is and has been palpable through this whole thing