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I would think the Frank Lampard tenure was the turning point that ended up up putting us where we are. 
 
He was always going to manage Chelsea, but no way could they employ a complete rookie. So some high level fixers hawked him around a few clubs to get him a “leg up”, and is how we were able to get the three loan players who made our team, and left it completely characterless when they moved on.
I don’t blame Mel going for it, but he was stitched up thinking he had 2 or 3 years of Frank. The whole thing was to make Frank look good, and it worked.
Sat at Wembley looking at the starting team told any fans with any nous that Chelsea were getting their man. They might as well have put “Bye. Been nice knowing you. Love from Frank” on the screens.
And if you’re not convinced, watch the video of Frank after he had “briefly” consoled the players. He wandered around circling the melee of players with a look on his face that said no matter much of a Chelsea hero he might be he wouldn’t get this sort on interaction with the fans again.
And then there was the summer of “Will he or won’t he”. Not “go”, but actually tell us he is leaving so we have got a chance to sort our next season out.
His keeping us dangling wrecked our preparations, and therefore our entire season, from which we never recovered.
Being subsequently forced to play Rooney when he was nearly as past it as me didn’t help, but the whole Lampard episode did huge damage. Mel’s only mistake was being used as the “Patsie”.
When Frank arrived he created the impression of being a man of integrity. Now I don’t which of his two faces I dislike the most.
Question: when he arrived, what state were we in financially?

Sibley’s petulance wasn’t an issue here - he was fouled in front of the ref and grabbed the ball thinking he’d get the free-kick, especially when the Peterborough player kicked the ball at him twice - that should have been where the yellow card went.
His two cards have been harsh - the one on Tuesday was his first offence, after Salford had bern clogging our players without consequence, and yesterday’s was just plain wrong.
 
His best position is as a number 10 which has bern given to our Tom, even though he has absconded from that position. If we don’t give Sibley a good run in the team we will lose him, and then watch him flourish somewhere else.
 

Of course it meant winning as many games as possible and challenging of promotion. But that was all they wanted, because although is appointment was inevitable, they couldn't possibly entertain taking him on when he has no experience whatsoever. But if we had got promoted, what would he have looked like by jumping ship immediately? Getting promoted and then going to Chelsea would look bad for both Frank and Chelsea. That is why he kept the two strikers who were on fire for us on the bench until it was too late to save the play-off  game, but started the match with two strikers who couldn't hit a barn door with an entire country music festival of banjos.
If he has stayed, we would most likely have kept at least some of the loanees, especially the Chelsea ones, we would have been able to recruit properly, and had a full pre-season of training, and continuity of style of play. Remember, Cocu's playing style was totally different, so he even had to put them to sleep before he could work on tactics. There is a fair chance we would have had a much better season, maybe even challenging for promotion again.

I never said that there was anything wrong with Lampard wanting to manage Chelsea. We all knew he would eventually be on his bike after finding his feet here, but Mel was sold the lie that it would be in 2 or 3 years. But the real intention was to chuck him in at Derby, make him look good and move him on quickly.
Neither was it Lampard's fault that the three loanees left an unbridgeable gulf when they left - they were part of the whole setup to make him look good. Unless of course he engineered the whole scheme for himself. I suspect Chelsea had rather a lot to do with it. 
What is Lampard's fault is keeping us dangling on a thin piece of cotton all the way through summer so that we could do very little preparation - remember, Cocu only arrived to start his job when the squad were already on their pre-season tour, with no signings made. So poor Philip couldn't go looking for any players he wanted, and ended up being forced to buy or loan people to which all he could say is "OK. you'll do. If I must". It certainly wasn't our choice to not replace them, we couldn't because of Frank Lampard's behaviour.  IF he had any decency he could have pulled some strings behind the scenes to offer one or two of the 3.5 million apprentices Chelsea had on their books at the time.
It was a disgraceful situation which could have been avoided if Frank had simply told us in time what had clearly been set up for months, more likely an entire season.

I never said that there was anything wrong with Lampard wanting to manage Chelsea. We all knew he would eventually be on his bike after finding his feet here, but Mel was sold the lie that it would be in 2 or 3 years. But the real intention was to chuck him in at Derby, make him look good and move him on quickly.
Neither was it Lampard's fault that the three loanees left an unbridgeable gulf when they left - they were part of the whole setup to make him look good. Unless of course he engineered the whole scheme for himself. I suspect Chelsea had rather a lot to do with it. 
What is Lampard's fault is keeping us dangling on a thin piece of cotton all the way through summer so that we could do very little preparation - remember, Cocu only arrived to start his job when the squad were already on their pre-season tour, with no signings made. So poor Philip couldn't go looking for any players he wanted, and ended up being forced to buy or loan people to which all he could say is "OK. you'll do. If I must". It certainly wasn't our choice to not replace them, we couldn't because of Frank Lampard's behaviour.  IF he had any decency he could have pulled some strings behind the scenes to offer one or two of the 3.5 million apprentices Chelsea had on their books at the time.
It was a disgraceful situation which could have been avoided if Frank had simply told us in time what had clearly been set up for months, more likely an entire season.

I know attendances haven’t been great, particularly at home. But the singing has been pretty much non-stop for the first three games this season. 
When Stretton scored yesterday, it genuinely felt like the biggest ‘limbs’ since Leeds away. I fell over the seat in front of me and had to get dragged back up to our row.
I imagine it’s a combination of proper football being back after so long and the less passionate fans being ‘filtered out’ by our current woes.
Whatever it is, it’s working and we need to keep it up.

Not good is what I know, can't say anymore, MM gambled again and unfortunately it didn't pay off. 5m Waghorn, 3m Marriott, 2.5m Zoon, Malone unsure plus loanees, a lot has gone out with no return, we could be in a mess for a few more seasons

I would think the Frank Lampard tenure was the turning point that ended up up putting us where we are. 
 
He was always going to manage Chelsea, but no way could they employ a complete rookie. So some high level fixers hawked him around a few clubs to get him a “leg up”, and is how we were able to get the three loan players who made our team, and left it completely characterless when they moved on.
I don’t blame Mel going for it, but he was stitched up thinking he had 2 or 3 years of Frank. The whole thing was to make Frank look good, and it worked.
Sat at Wembley looking at the starting team told any fans with any nous that Chelsea were getting their man. They might as well have put “Bye. Been nice knowing you. Love from Frank” on the screens.
And if you’re not convinced, watch the video of Frank after he had “briefly” consoled the players. He wandered around circling the melee of players with a look on his face that said no matter much of a Chelsea hero he might be he wouldn’t get this sort on interaction with the fans again.
And then there was the summer of “Will he or won’t he”. Not “go”, but actually tell us he is leaving so we have got a chance to sort our next season out.
His keeping us dangling wrecked our preparations, and therefore our entire season, from which we never recovered.
Being subsequently forced to play Rooney when he was nearly as past it as me didn’t help, but the whole Lampard episode did huge damage. Mel’s only mistake was being used as the “Patsie”.
When Frank arrived he created the impression of being a man of integrity. Now I don’t which of his two faces I dislike the most.
Question: when he arrived, what state were we in financially?

Sibley’s petulance wasn’t an issue here - he was fouled in front of the ref and grabbed the ball thinking he’d get the free-kick, especially when the Peterborough player kicked the ball at him twice - that should have been where the yellow card went.
His two cards have been harsh - the one on Tuesday was his first offence, after Salford had bern clogging our players without consequence, and yesterday’s was just plain wrong.
 
His best position is as a number 10 which has bern given to our Tom, even though he has absconded from that position. If we don’t give Sibley a good run in the team we will lose him, and then watch him flourish somewhere else.
 

I would think the Frank Lampard tenure was the turning point that ended up up putting us where we are. 
 
He was always going to manage Chelsea, but no way could they employ a complete rookie. So some high level fixers hawked him around a few clubs to get him a “leg up”, and is how we were able to get the three loan players who made our team, and left it completely characterless when they moved on.
I don’t blame Mel going for it, but he was stitched up thinking he had 2 or 3 years of Frank. The whole thing was to make Frank look good, and it worked.
Sat at Wembley looking at the starting team told any fans with any nous that Chelsea were getting their man. They might as well have put “Bye. Been nice knowing you. Love from Frank” on the screens.
And if you’re not convinced, watch the video of Frank after he had “briefly” consoled the players. He wandered around circling the melee of players with a look on his face that said no matter much of a Chelsea hero he might be he wouldn’t get this sort on interaction with the fans again.
And then there was the summer of “Will he or won’t he”. Not “go”, but actually tell us he is leaving so we have got a chance to sort our next season out.
His keeping us dangling wrecked our preparations, and therefore our entire season, from which we never recovered.
Being subsequently forced to play Rooney when he was nearly as past it as me didn’t help, but the whole Lampard episode did huge damage. Mel’s only mistake was being used as the “Patsie”.
When Frank arrived he created the impression of being a man of integrity. Now I don’t which of his two faces I dislike the most.
Question: when he arrived, what state were we in financially?

I don’t hate him, he gave me some great memories. But I am disappointed in him. That’s about as strong as I would say my feelings are 

Didn’t Mels personal wealth grow in the latest round of the financial rich list?? 
Im pretty sure it did

A what? 

Sibley’s petulance wasn’t an issue here - he was fouled in front of the ref and grabbed the ball thinking he’d get the free-kick, especially when the Peterborough player kicked the ball at him twice - that should have been where the yellow card went.
His two cards have been harsh - the one on Tuesday was his first offence, after Salford had bern clogging our players without consequence, and yesterday’s was just plain wrong.
 
His best position is as a number 10 which has bern given to our Tom, even though he has absconded from that position. If we don’t give Sibley a good run in the team we will lose him, and then watch him flourish somewhere else.
 

I doubt Mel is stalling - he's desperate to get rid. Far more likely that potential new owners won't agree to buy us until they know what any possible penalty will be (which makes absolute sense) - and the EFL are dragging out any punishment announcement until after the transfer window has closed to make things as difficult for us as possible.....

By the time I got rid of all the ads I wish I hadn’t bothered 

Perhaps he didn't phrase it as mildly as you have.

Nowt wrong with Gammon, it’s only thick fat bacon....................then again, I’m thick, fat n love bacon!

Hi guys and girls, Posh fan here but not to gloat.
I haven’t read all this thread but got through a few posts so....
I was at the match and it was quite dull for 70 mins. I though Derby looked more accomplished in possession but it appeared that to me you’d come to stop us scoring and hit us on the break. We didn’t pose much threat as neither Marriott nor JCH are fit so, as mentioned our attacking play left something to be desired.
When you scored, I thought that was it, I couldn’t see us getting an equaliser....but bugger me, that last 11 minutes was fantastic from our point of view. I’ve seen mention on here of how good Harrison Burrows was and I’d echo those sentiments, he’s only 19 and came thorough our academy, he’s going to be some player.”
I’ve seen a few moans about the amount of injury time but there was a lengthy spell when Kasim Richards was injured (8 mins?) and then 3 mins for your player to leave the pitch (?) when he was subbed so seemed fair to me.
I think most Posh fans were pleased you held your position in the championship but mostly for selfish reasons, we don’t like Wycombe  and we thought you might get a points deduction.....every little helps in our mission to stay up.
Good  luck for the rest of the season, it’s sad to see a team with such a rich history in the dire straights you find yourselves, hope things get sorted soon and you can sign a few players to keep you competitive....but would be nice if you can stay below us.
....also have to say that my favourite match watching Posh was at the Baseball ground in the 92-93 season when we came from 2-0 down to win 3-2 when you were splashing the cash and favourites to go up.....happy days...

According to the DET the booking yesterday was given for dissent.

Sibley’s petulance wasn’t an issue here - he was fouled in front of the ref and grabbed the ball thinking he’d get the free-kick, especially when the Peterborough player kicked the ball at him twice - that should have been where the yellow card went.
His two cards have been harsh - the one on Tuesday was his first offence, after Salford had bern clogging our players without consequence, and yesterday’s was just plain wrong.
 
His best position is as a number 10 which has bern given to our Tom, even though he has absconded from that position. If we don’t give Sibley a good run in the team we will lose him, and then watch him flourish somewhere else.
 

Sibley’s petulance wasn’t an issue here - he was fouled in front of the ref and grabbed the ball thinking he’d get the free-kick, especially when the Peterborough player kicked the ball at him twice - that should have been where the yellow card went.
His two cards have been harsh - the one on Tuesday was his first offence, after Salford had bern clogging our players without consequence, and yesterday’s was just plain wrong.
 
His best position is as a number 10 which has bern given to our Tom, even though he has absconded from that position. If we don’t give Sibley a good run in the team we will lose him, and then watch him flourish somewhere else.
 

Sibley’s petulance wasn’t an issue here - he was fouled in front of the ref and grabbed the ball thinking he’d get the free-kick, especially when the Peterborough player kicked the ball at him twice - that should have been where the yellow card went.
His two cards have been harsh - the one on Tuesday was his first offence, after Salford had bern clogging our players without consequence, and yesterday’s was just plain wrong.
 
His best position is as a number 10 which has bern given to our Tom, even though he has absconded from that position. If we don’t give Sibley a good run in the team we will lose him, and then watch him flourish somewhere else.
 

Starting a game trying not to lose, (even trying not to lose by too many) against a team that has shipped 7 goals in 2 games is a guarantee of a bad outcome. We were way, way, way too cautious, with no-one capable of a defence-splitter, and no-one able to stretch the Peterborough back-line. So 0-0 at half time was a good achievement. What that first half needed was a Sibley. And then CKR is badly injured - Rooney was almost in tears at that point.
But something good has come from it - Stretton played really well. I know there have been plenty on here criticising the kid, but if we didn't expect him to play the big, bruising centre-forward role, maybe we wouldn't be disappointed. What Stretton did do was play like a natural striker. Every time the ball was crossed into the box he was right there close to here the ball was heading. And when the ball dropped near him he scored a true striker's goal. Keep him playing like this and he will score loads. Try to turn him into CKR won't work.
Re the collapse - there are shed-loads of people on here sticking the knife into Sibley at every opportunity, but it is clear that we are nothing without him. I was shouting for a foul on him, not the other way round. He thought it was a clear foul, hence handling the ball. Perhaps he isn't aware that we only get crap refs, because during that part of the match, every time we got the ball in midfield we were getting brought down. He is therefore blamed for the goal which came from the free-kick, but in reality once the kick is taken, the team has to defend properly and they failed abysmally, especially Joswaick. Yet again, loads of people are critical of the Pole, yet it is somehow politically incorrect to criticise him. I don't now why - he still still making the same errors he got flack for last season. Can he not learn?
I am surprised that no-one has mentioned "Fergie Time"! Actually I for one am not too bothered by it, because most of that came from CKR's injury. The biggest worry is that we seemed to be out on our feet at the end - how can we be tired out this early in the season? I reckon that we had lost the game in our heads the moment the equaliser went in.
Where too from now? I have no idea. Any suggestions?

Sibley’s petulance wasn’t an issue here - he was fouled in front of the ref and grabbed the ball thinking he’d get the free-kick, especially when the Peterborough player kicked the ball at him twice - that should have been where the yellow card went.
His two cards have been harsh - the one on Tuesday was his first offence, after Salford had bern clogging our players without consequence, and yesterday’s was just plain wrong.
 
His best position is as a number 10 which has bern given to our Tom, even though he has absconded from that position. If we don’t give Sibley a good run in the team we will lose him, and then watch him flourish somewhere else.