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Fair play to Novak Djokovic - i fully support bodily autonomy, and he definitely looks like he's in good hands medically

Fair play to Novak Djokovic - i fully support bodily autonomy, and he definitely looks like he's in good hands medically

I heard about a bloke who spent £80m on a stadium that went into administration. Poor bloke might only get £20m back. 

You're determined to make a gypsy joke and not be censored aren't you? ?

I'm not a big Carr fan personally, the one liner thing is just not for me. But, if you ever see him in interview or in his book he wrote on comedy, it does convince me that he is the sort of person when would think deeply about the wider point of a joke or the 'why' of a joke.

Just gonna throw my two penneth in to this, but I will go with the premise of that I am a bit of a comedy/stand up nerd (although the amount of shows/festivals I go to have dwindled, partly due to covid but there’s other reasons too), so I’ve seen a lot of different stand ups doing different things and what works and what doesn’t.
Basically I think anything can be made fun of, many would argue it’s actually important for us to laugh at the darker side of life. Where more famous comedians can get it wrong is not understanding what their status is and it’s relationship to it’s target. Ricky Gervais, Jimmy Carr, David Chappelle and even Stewart Lee get this wrong from time to time, not all the time but just every once in a while it catches up with them. They think everyone is on board with what they think their status is, and most of the time a room of paying punters will lap up whatever it is they are saying anyway, so don’t realise that they can be construed as ‘high status’ punching down on a ‘low target’. That can be anything from Ricky Gervais doing Derek, Jimmy Carr’s Romany Traveller bit, Lee on other comedians or Chappelle on trans people. High status on a low target isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but then high status needs to show a vulnerability to make it acceptable and, Gervais and Carr especially, don’t show any vulnerability. Compare Carr to Jerry Sadowitz, they both do shows where ‘everyone is a target’, Sadowitz is a lot worse than Carr in that aspect, but he gives himself ‘low status’. Sadowitz says every offensive thing going, but is always seen to be punching up from the gutter. Not that it’s particularly my humour to be honest and has its own troubles as again, not everyone gets the joke with the performer and laughs at the targets. 
Anyway, those bigger comedians believe the audience get the joke how they get the joke, but because people don’t then it shows the joke might not full proof and essentially they’ve been a bit lazy. 
Just to say as well, I fully agree that stand up/comics should be allowed free speech, but bearing witness to what a ‘free thinking’ nights actually is, I just want to point out that you tend to get a very highly educated white guy telling a room of white guys jokes about Diane Abbot’s appearance. Im generalising ofcourse and a joke about Diane Abbot isn’t wrong, but getting back to status and target, you are just reaffirming a negative trope on a group that are going to agree with you. I’m not sure that’s just harmless and ok in the long term. Again it’s working out high status, low status etc
Stand up comedy at the best challenges you and what you thought on a subject. When it’s reaffirming your worst thoughts then it’s absolutely bloody dreadful and to bring it back to Carr I genuinely think he was trying to actually make you realise the horrors of the holocaust. The problem is some laugh with you, some are going to laugh at the gypsies and everyone else will be annoyed at you. How he perceived status and target was wrong. 

…have I killed the frog yet?
 

Christ on a bike.
Deepness? DEEPNESS?
Hangs head in shame.

Don't get me wrong - I think there is always value in listening to what Dentist#10 has to say
But we now live in have a world where people will waste hours of their life berating people who have listened to Dentist#10 and dismissed his views as sensationalist grifting garbage
 
 

It's like Brexit.
There will never be agreement or reconciliation because of the deepness of the entrenched opinions. Each side, in their own minds, will be proved 'right', because of confirmation bias.

Complaining about censorship, on a public forum openly, without anyone stopping you from having your say? How are you posting? 
The amount of people posting things I vehemently disagree with in here, I think clearly its not true anyone is banned for having an opinion. 

I'm surprised you're still arguing with them, to be honest. I stopped months ago. 

It doesn't matter though, does it?!. You and a few others on here only deal in absolutes. It could reduce the spread by 99% and you would still be against it because it doesn't stop it.
Even if it's 50%, it's stopping half the people from catching it.

Sigh - like most posters, I give up at this point. You consistently show yourself unable to have a sensible debate 
Best of luck Archie
 

I've been trying to get an appointment to see my doctor for ages. I finally saw him on Tuesday and showed him the rash on my testicles.
He just ignored me and kept pushing his trolley round Tesco.

It's time for Derby to commence legal action against the EFL, the other clubs that have remained silent throughout this process will be hit in the pocket.
Why? Because it's the right thing to do to protect the game we all love. We cannot allow the EFL to continue as they are. Sooner we have an independent regulator the better.
They have broken the agreement that prevents clubs from taking action against each other, reg 4.4
They have failed to take action against both Middlesbrough and Wycombe under reg 3.5 which prevents clubs from unfairly criticising, disparaging, belittling or discrediting any other Club.
They are ignoring the Arbitration Act 1996 with regards to insolvency and the football creditor status, attempting to push this through arbitration regulations, ignoring 4.4.
Surely we have more grounds than any of the clubs that have threatened legal action.
With the above we have been forced to sell assets for a low fee as we were prevented by offering contracts. We have incurred additional administration costs, which will increase the purchase price of the club, potentially forcing us into liquidation if the cost continues to rise.
With that it's 3am and the dog is looking at me, I can feel the questioning why are we not going to bed with his eyes.
Feel free to rip apart any of tonight's rants, I'm not a legal expert, far from it, but I am capable of reading and processing words.

Didn't go very well for some people in the Prince Philip Is Dead thread 
 

The part you seem unable to accept is that no one has ever said that the vaccine stops people getting the virus, or passing it on. That has never been the aim. It has always been aimed at training the immune system to attack and destroy the virus more easily and thus 1) decrease the number of severe cases/death and 2) lessen the viral load being shed by those infected
I understand what you're saying perfectly but it's completely irrelevant to my point, and ends with yet more dumbing down of the facts to "what's the point if it doesn't stop you catching or giving it" 
"What's the point in speed limits, seat belts and airbags if they don't stop you being in a car crash?"

The part you seem unable to accept is that no one has ever said that the vaccine stops people getting the virus, or passing it on. That has never been the aim. It has always been aimed at training the immune system to attack and destroy the virus more easily and thus 1) decrease the number of severe cases/death and 2) lessen the viral load being shed by those infected
I understand what you're saying perfectly but it's completely irrelevant to my point, and ends with yet more dumbing down of the facts to "what's the point if it doesn't stop you catching or giving it" 
"What's the point in speed limits, seat belts and airbags if they don't stop you being in a car crash?"

The part you seem unable to accept is that no one has ever said that the vaccine stops people getting the virus, or passing it on. That has never been the aim. It has always been aimed at training the immune system to attack and destroy the virus more easily and thus 1) decrease the number of severe cases/death and 2) lessen the viral load being shed by those infected
I understand what you're saying perfectly but it's completely irrelevant to my point, and ends with yet more dumbing down of the facts to "what's the point if it doesn't stop you catching or giving it" 
"What's the point in speed limits, seat belts and airbags if they don't stop you being in a car crash?"

To replace "its in or DNA" I'm up for that ???

The key is, not to be your true self online. 
My humour is without boundaries, I may think some things are just wrong at times, but not sure anything could offend me as such and I have no interest in being offended on others behalf.
The rules on this forum are not a reflection of myself either, they are an understanding of what advertisers will not tolerate and just as importantly, what will allow a community to flourish.
Some will question us on that, and admittedly we do get it wrong from time to time, it's human moderation, better than bots but far from flawless.
On here, it's almost part of the role to try and be offended on behalf others, if I didn't we would have a forum akin to a Millwall one.
Then you have to factor in the other moderators levels of what they find offensive, tried to strike a balance and why I chased @angieram for so long, I wanted that female view as the moderators room had calendars up of topless models.
You have to be careful though as too many voices can confuse the stance. Saying that, allow me to introduce the latest moderator, @DarkFruitsRam7 who either pulled off the greatest of con job on me last night, or actually is a perfect fit adding more youth to what is mostly a 30+ mod room.
BBC, Sky Sports, Twitter, Facebook all these platforms are no different, even Spotify have a battle on their hands with their employees trying to cancel Joe Rogan.
So I think what I'm saying after taking that detour is, be aware of how the world is today, if you have dark humour that's not a bad thing, but to survive online it's best to keep that locked away and saved for down the pub where your friendships have been built and personalities established.

Try some empathy?

I've always had it drummed into me by HR at work that if someone is offended by a comment from someone else then they feel offended.