Woodley Ram

28 minutes ago, angieram said:

What is it about adversity that makes non fans come sniffing around our message board with their sanctimonious comments and advice?

I assume they are the sort of people who slow down on the motorway to rubberneck the accidents on the other carriageway! 

Rubberneckers and carpet baggers with their doom and gloom messages, we will survive and we will get stronger 

Just listen to WR, rather than read someone’s view of his comments.

i’m a little happier now.

so no PB yet (we all knew that)

Hope to say a PB in next 5 days (unfortunately we have heard that before)

Because of the time taken getting the PB over the line to be the owner will probably take us past this current season. (Unfortunately it will but not to next season but to the end of this)

3 minutes ago, Flying Fokker said:

Does the stadium have any other value?  Industrial/ Residential?/ Commercial.

20 million for the land?  

Could County lease the ground for a period until this is sorted out?   Coventry City do not own a stadium. The Rams would need to have total right over any revenues within the stadium.  It will of course come to a point where you need a stadium ownership so you can progress.

 

I don’t think Notts County will want to play in Derby………Jesus 

39 minutes ago, Curtains said:

Trust me Mel will .

The Stadium is worthless without Derby County .

 Very good point, although it is looking more and more a good place to grow my veg

2 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

We can start next season in admin. It’s not ideal but there is nothing says we cannot. 
 

I think maximum Efl would allow is 15 months which takes us to Christmas.

I'm sure it will all be sorted soon. A brighter future is on the way. The delay could be a good thing, in that perhaps a better bidder   has come forwards, who knows.

I completed it. At the end they asked if they had missed any questions......well I didn't miss that opportunity  

I have no idea how this will go. On paper it should be a home win. Question is are Bournemouth going through a crisis where they are letting pressure get to them. They really should have put Peterborough away in the week. 
 

if they are then we could get something from the game. If they come back ready to prove that Peterborough was a one off then we could be in for a tough afternoon 

1 hour ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Sorry to disappoint you all but OTIB have now reached 100 pages on their Relegate Derby forum topic before we got to 1000.  Apparently, '

There's a rumour that Derby County will be banned from the EFL but an "Independent Football Club from Derby" will be allowed to play all fixtures, with the same playing squad, staff and ground but a slightly different badge.

I think there going a bit delirious on their and will soon be drinking their own piss.

To be fair (and a lot of tosh is said on that website) it was an isolated comment. It does show that we lost the information war. Other supporters have a view of Derby which is jaundiced and incorrect. What this has done is given the poor conduct of other clubs a free pass or lighter judgement. 

let’s face it, many clubs have bigger debt, others such as Reading spend more on players wages circa 240% of income than us. We do not have a squad full of players with big contracts. We didn’t go into administration because of debt, it was because the owner didn’t want to continue to fund us. 
A lot of others have bigger debt than us, they just have owners willing to own it as soft debt.

so for other clubs supporters that read this. We accept that we broke FFP (although Reading got less points for a bigger breach), we accept we are in administration so another 12 points.  The amortisation process is legal it just isn’t allowed in football and Mel should have been more transparent. 

17 minutes ago, Eddie said:

If we stay up despite his efforts, he'll have ego on his face.

superb reply 

1 hour ago, RAM1966 said:

I agree, there must be a new LAW, passed where community assets can not be treated like some rich kids train set.

Before someone starts shouting he lost £200m, thats yet to be proved as he's not written off the soft loans yet, nor has he sold the stadium.

Only one person to blame for this Im afraid, I know he didn't intentionly leave us in the state we are in.  However he's left us in a right mess for the following reasons:

Bought too many overvalued players.

Wages were far to high for signing ge made, making it difficult to move underperformers on.

At one point we were soending 151% of total on players salaries, its just reckless.

Made some awfil managerial apponts and sacked too many of them.

Didn't listen to his advisors and simply drove the club at speed off a cliff.

Great job Mel!

I would add Pearce in this and potentially Rush not just Mel. I agree with the rest.

The 151% is interesting, I think Reading are something like 240%. I would imagine the vast majority are well over the 100%.

Other clubs supporters look at wages and debt as a reason we went into administration but that is incorrect, we are there because the owner (Mel) stopped funding. Other clubs, Reading, Middlesbrough, Stoke et al have bigger debts but have owners that own the debt themselves and continue to fund their clubs. 

Mel (for what ever reason) took outside loans and then stopped funding the day to day expenses. Owning a football club is a very rich mans sport. 

I would like to see a new approach to sustainability and a new regulator to do it.

things that need to be improved are:

- Parachute payments (they should be for high residual wages not to give a club a clear advantage)

- FFP, clear penalties that are not reduced on the whim of the EFL. Also better business plans where clubs keep with FFP limits and a better way of implementing points (where possible they should be given in the year of the infringement).Everybody has a go at Derby for delaying accounts but Reading delayed theirs. 

- A clear structure for dealing with Administration 

- A clear and transparent method of implementing embargo's  

- Quicker tribunals and punishments

- A better way of dealing with potential acts of god. The Covid rules benefited a number of clubs and not others such as those promoted.

On 02/03/2022 at 07:14, BramcoteRam84 said:

It’s still possible but it’s going to require around 2 points per game to have any chance. We might need Reading to do us some favours.

Personally I think we will need 42 points which means we need to win 7 out of the last 11 games and we’re going to need to start winning away.

Wins: Barnsley (H), Coventry (H), Preston (H), Swansea (A), Bristol City (H), Blackpool (A), Cardiff (H)

Defeats: Bournemouth (A), Blackburn (A), Fulham (H), QPR (A)

If we need more than 42 points then we’re going to need something from these 4 matches.

The players aren’t giving up so I still believe but it’s looking very very difficult now.

lots of variables, why don't we ask steve Gibson for this thoughts, he has a way of understanding variables and coming up with the exact answer

1 hour ago, PistoldPete said:

Rparry@efl.com

be kind to him as he has a fragile ego.

he has lots of ego to go round

2 hours ago, Oldben said:

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/championship-risks-repeat-derby-wycombe-6773462

I give my support to Barnsley on this.

Reading must be given the full six points, after what's happened to Derby why should Reading be exonerated just by agreeing to follow a business plan.

The 6 point deduction for Reading would seriously help Derby and the efl should not be allowed to give Reading a method to avoid it else why not have given the same method to Derby.

 

I think there are a few things being muted about Reading.

- that they are not adhering to their business plan. Not sure how people would know that and just because they signed Carroll, Drinkwater etc doesn't mean went outside it.

- their accounts for 20/21 show a large overspend with large wage bill (not part of FFP calculation or penalty), so the question is are they cutting their cloth. Who knows as it took us years to reduce our wage bill and off load the big earners.

- their business plan allows them to spend over the FFP limits. If so, the EFL need a smack, any FFP plan should ensure adherence to FFP limits. If I remember rightly Readings wage bill is about 240% of their income.

if Reading or us for that matter have a business plan that allows us to break FFP and we have received a suspended penalty then Barnsley have a point. 
 

so If Reading stay up expect Peterborough, Barnsley and Derby to get the number for their lawyers out.

2-0 Bournemouth

16 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

Not necessarily:

Decision 6. It has been agreed and I hereby order that the Club is sanctioned for the breach as follows:

6.1 The Club is to be immediately deducted 6 points in the 2021/22 Championship season.

6.2 The Club is also subject to a suspended sanction of 6 points to be deducted from its season points total in Season 2021/22 (or Season 2022/23), on the first occasion on or before 30 June 2023 that:

Good. I don’t have an issue with our penalty as we breached FFP. I just don’t see how Reading can have a lesser penalty when they have overspent by considerably more and have a significant overspend for their latest accounts ( do they get a reset or is there a possibility of a further penalty?). At the moment I would have thought that the. Clubs below Reading could all take action. Also would have. Stronger case than Middlesbrough and Wycombe. 
mind you on the Barnsley site they think that both Derby and Reading have brought players in on big wages. That certainly is not true for Derby and I doubt it will be so for Reading. 
 

Readings issue was the same as ours a couple of years back, legacy contracts where stupid wages were paid. 

4 hours ago, Big Trav said:

Lots of rumours about further Reading points deductions

If they don’t abide by their business plan they will receive the suspended 6 points but I understand that they will be imposed next season. It seems that why Barnsley are not happy, as they think (and I have no idea) that Reading are breaching their business plan. If has been muted that Readings business plan doesn’t keep them with FFP then the EFL need shooting.

Come to think about it EFL……..yep you get the picture 

23 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

Covid reductions overly helpful to clubs who have been in receipt of parachute payments… like Boro for example. 
 

So who was supposed to have Efl on strings again? 

Stoke, Bristol City, Boro, there is a few either due to PP or historically getting large transfer fees. The recently promoted clubs get the worst end of the stick. I just think reductions in covid expenditure should be about the loss of Covid related football expenses in Covid years and not based on previous years transfer activity, income (such as PP), the fact they didn't take government grants or the use of the stadium to host concerts . 

30 minutes ago, LazloW said:

RE: Barnsley, it must’ve been blindingly obvious to anybody (other than the EFL) that by not telling Boro and Wycombe to ‘do  one’ they we’re going to open a floodgate of similar claims.
Having said that, Barnsley don’t really have a legitimate claim. Could be quite funny though if it gets dragged out like the Boro issue did.

Any 'regulator' should ensure that ensure that clubs that have failed to adhere to FFP have a business plan that ensures they do so. If the EFL have failed to do that and failed to to put the controls in to ensure compliance I would say both the club (Reading) and the EFL are at fault. The EFL made sure we complied.

I hear complaints from Reading fans saying they need time to reduce the wage bill and shouldn't be penalised whilst its being reduced. they think we are in the same position.

1- Our wage bill and spend should be within limits (in part to the EFL business plan), so you can take us out of that argument

2- Sorry if a club over spends and is over FFP whilst reducing the bill that's hard luck, why do they think we had 9 points..doh

3- I thought the EFL were very lenient on Reading, 6 points with a possible further 6 and if so that would be in the next season.

4 - I think the Covid reductions are overly helpful to clubs that have either historically received large transfer fees in previous year or been in receipt of PP's. Its not fair to those that haven't and Reading would be one of those clubs that fall into that category.

1-1 knight 

I have a good vibe about this game and think we will take something out of it. keep the faith. COYRs

1-1 Knight

I think we will know who is who this coming week. If as is reported there are late bidders that could explain delays. If I was the administrators I would give longer timelines and bask in the glory of doing things before they are due.

45 minutes ago, Mick Brolly said:

14:37 wonder if he knows tonight's lottery numbers ? 

He knows last weeks….perhaps not

1-1 Knight 

Nothing changes. The other 3 will pick up wins and points. We put ourselves in the mix by being one club, one Derby. We have got ourselves into 3rd from bottom and we will continue to reduce the points difference between us and Reading.

Tonight be loud and be proud. Support the lads we can do this. Believe