Colm

As you may have heard on Saturday on Radio Derby, Tony Bentley had his last game as Burton summariser - according to him on Twitter it was down to new BBC policy. Steve Jordan who presents the weekend shows also suddenly left his role over the weekend. Then today, @Owen87ITK tweeted his sorrow to his BBC local radio friends on today's news. Basically all the different counties stations are having to merge for most programmes. Radio Derby's Sport at Six/Sportscene will be going with the cuts, to be replaced with a joint Derby, Nottingham, Leicester and Lincolnshire programme. This is also happening with the non sport weekend shows, afternoon shows with the night shows being totally replaced with one national show. Rest in peace regional radio, what a loss this is. I really feel for everyone affected, especially the likes of Dominic Dietrich who's only just started with Radio Derby.
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2022/10/major-cuts-in-jobs-and-local-shows-planned-for-local-bbc-radio/

I really liked Liam. Have huge respect for him as a man, but in his interviews he too often sounded like he’d swallowed the latest self improvement guru’s book in its entirety, with ketchup on top. Got a different chef now. Juries out but signs are good.

I am concerned. No, I am very concerned.
For the rest of the division.
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Yesss. Warnes achieved more in 45 minutes of football then Rosenoir did.

I’m massively impressed by how he spoke during the presser, sounds likeable, relatable, open and honest. Spoke in realistic and pragmatic terms about the club, the squad and the league, especially pleased to hear him address some of the public concerns raised around playing style (“when you have footballers you play football, athletes you play to their strengths, we’ve got footballers who will soon realise how good they are as athletes too” a bit paraphrased there ?) and his post match comments when we stayed up (it was an emotional moment for him as his mate was relegated).
I also admire his honesty about the Rosenior situation, more realism in that he acknowledged LR’s good work and talent but that it would have been unworkable for him to stay on the staff. 
Most impressive for me though, was the conviction with which he spoke, he knows himself well, knows his team of staff and believes in what he has to say. There were times when LR spoke and said the right things, being so likeable I wanted to believe him, but the conviction was missing in his voice. Warne has that conviction which will hopefully help him succeed with the Rams. Interesting times ? 

LR was interim for a reason.
We need to stop being sentimental for a moment and realise Derby County is a business and a business that strives to be as high up the leagues as possible.
Clowes is a business man and I'm guessing its been very hard to step back from being a supporter and make decisions based on getting Derby County back where we belong. We don't belong in L1 and the longer we stay in there, the same as the Championship, the bigger the risk you end up struggling to get out and into the next highest league. 
We're 7th in the league without winning away from home, without scoring away from home. That shows you how rubbish this league really is and we should be bossing the top 2 places.
Why act at Christmas when potentially we're mid table and chasing. Act now so that we can push our way into the top 2 and stay there.
Just for one minute put yourself in Clowes shoes. The gamble he's taken is huuuuuuge taking on the club he loves. 
We just need to back him because his interests are the same as ours but now on a much bigger scale. 

I had a full hairline last time we showed some decent form away from home and Rosenior has been part of the set up for 4 years now so isn’t blameless? 

You do know we haven’t  scored an away goal in League 1 this season in 4 games in which we got 2 points 

If we get Warne at the start of the season people would be jumping for joy. The fact is time scales didn’t allow for it, we were already behind on transfer dealings but luckily LR had already been having some conversations and ticking things over. There’s no way Clowes could have changed the managerial team that early. Now he’s given LR a chance he obviously feels we need to go in a different direction. Poster saying about how LR signed these players, Warne might want different but we literally signed the best players available to us due to our restrictions, I highly doubt the M.O would have deviated much had Warne been in situ.

But why?
He was interim manager, not permanent manager.
If an interim manager is still in place halfway through the season, it kind of makes a mockery of the role.
Everyone would want some clarity and certainty by that point.
The timing could very well be fine, because we don’t have a game for 9-10 days, so Warne has some time to settle in.

Absolutely nail it here again as you often do. Incredibly short sighted appointment

He hasn't ever had a competitive squad or budget. Even at League One level, his budget and squad wasn't brilliant. He did well to get them promoted three times. He has good pedigree in League One. 
What evidence was there that Rosenior would be a success? His football was neat and tidy, but ultimately slow and a bit toothless. Slightly Cocu, in my opinion. 

It’s obvious scaremongering.
The vast majority of Derby fans believe we should be a footballing side, so naturally any manager who deviates from that even slightly will be talked down. Even though in real terms, Billy Davies is the only manager to have a degree of success with us since the turn of the century.
Cocu and Lampard raised the roof. Pearson and Rowett were treated with suspicion. So too now is Warne.
I prefer to look at Warne’s record and the circumstances he was working under. To me, everything points to him having done a good job at Rotherham and showing skill in what he was asked to do.
Will he be a success here? Who knows? But he has had success in League 1. He has got a team out of this league three times in three attempts. This is positive, no? What has Rosenior done by comparison?
So surely if you put concerns about style to one side, Warne is the safer bet.

Look at it from this perspective: you appoint a manager to get a job done.
We want to get promoted from League 1, do we not?
If Warne gets us promoted, it will be the perfect fit.
You make it sound like footballers can only play in one way and you make it sound like our squad is prime Arsenal under Wenger. It’s far from it.
Players like Davies, Mendez Laing, Barkhuizen, Chester, Collins, McGoldrick and Hourihane have flourished under various managers with varying styles of play. They are not out and out technical ball players.
Looking at our young players, the likes of Cashin, Knight, Thompson, Dobbin and Sibley all have qualities that could be brought to the fore playing under a different manager in a different kind of side.
I’ll say it again, comparing this to Jewell or Pearson is scaremongering.

I think it’s refreshing to appoint someone with a good track record, who talks well, and more importantly knows how to get out of this division.

FWIW I heard that Rosenior was unlikely to carry on before the Wycombe game, hence my comments when we went down. Was told the job was his before the Plymouth and Lincoln games, but players lost faith following those games. Situation needed resolving, so I’m glad it had been.
Warne is a coup imo, and will hopefully get us out this league.

I remember how utterly disenchanted I was at the time with the appointments of Brian Clough and, three decades later, Jim Smith.
"Not big enough for Derby County" went through my mind over both OBE and TBE.
The same thoughts now.
Same results please.
 

Spot on. We are not in the position of allowing a nice guy to learn the ropes.

I find some of the complaints about Warne, and the defences of Rosenior a little conflicting.
On the one hand, the football we play isn’t working because we don’t have good enough players to pass their way through teams at this level.
At the same time, Warne won’t work because we play neat, passing football. It’s one or the other really, we have a good squad so what kind of football are we well suited to?
For what it’s worth, there is a difference between being direct and playing hoofball. Being direct just means getting the ball forward quickly. We have pace out wide, big strikers and midfielders who can pass. Those together add up pretty well for direct football.
It’s a gamble, but I think it’s less of a gamble than keeping LR if we really want promotion this year. A lot of work was done in the summer but that would’ve happened whatever the manager. Would we have ended up with a vastly different squad if Warne joined at the start of the summer? I doubt it. We had a limited pool of players we could go for under our current restrictions, so I don’t think the squad being largely built by a different manager will be a massive issue.
If we do play less attractive football but spend less time trapped in the third tier, then that’s good with me.
Edit: For what it’s worth, I’ve just checked at Rotherham scored 70 goals last season in League 1, averaging 1.5 a game. We are currently scoring 1.0 goals a game. We should technically be more dangerous in the final third, if we’re going on which style yields more goals.

We won 13 games by more than 1 goal in the Rowett season.
From memory we were 6th top scorers in the division.
I'm not sure many people's recollection of his time here marries up with actual facts.

How do you know this is random?
How do you know this group of players can’t flourish under Warne?
Is his ‘style of play’ set in stone? Do we have a squad of solely technical footballers who can only play one way?
Is it possible he could adjust it to a different club with a different squad and considerably better facilities and resources?
It all remains to be seen.
But given Clowes quite possibly made an interim appointment to give himself breathing space to make a permanent appointment, to suggest it is random and ill thought out seems counter intuitive.

We all knew we had a fabulous squad for this division. If I'd spent 53 million on our club and we were on the edge of the playoffs early doors with a rookie manager, still not having sorted out our away form, I'd be thinking " for an extra 750K in compensation I could get better ", I'd be twisting, not sticking.

Don't forget he was a very reluctant fan-buyer. He doesn't have billions. 53 mill is still a massive risk. The only way I would have stuck with Liam at this point is if he was six points clear at the top of the division. Even then I'd be fretting...

Why is this straight out of the Mel playbook?
Clowes has been here for a matter of months. Isn’t it too soon to compare him?
He didn’t give Rosenior a three year contract and he is unlikely to give Warne one either.
If he appointed an interim manager to settle things down and navigate the immediate challenges facing the club before bringing in his preferred option, what is wrong with that?
Is there one way to win football matches? Is there one way to be successful? Why do we have to do what Ipswich and Plymouth do?
Also, do we know what Warne’s philosophy will be? Maybe he will look at the squad he inherits and decide what suits them best and what will get the best out of them?
Comparisons to Jewell and Pearson are simply scaremongering.

FWIW, I wasn't convinced when I was watching the latest We Are Derby episode and seeing how Liam addressed the players after the game. Yes he was nice, but it seemed like he was trying too hard to copy Rooneys style and without the same gravitas. It didn't look to me like the players were hanging off his every word and looked up to him as such.
It will certainly be a change having Warne in the dugout, can recall him not shutting up every time Rotherham came to town. 

I'd like to think that of those (few) players that stayed, their bond with the club and fans meant more than any bond with LR.
If LR continued to play Kinght at RB, Bird alongside another DM, and leave Sibley out of the team altogether, I think all 3 might have been heading for the exit in January.
Hopefully a new manager will get the best out of these 3 players, in their best positions, as they should be the future of the club, not necessarily Smith, Collins and Hourihane just because they were brought in by LR.
The new manager shouldn't have any such issues. He can simply play any player on their merit.