Warwick Ram

Can I ask what Liam has done to warrant another job. If the result tonight stays the same we are upper mid table. He has a very good team yet we struggle in most games.

Now I know most will say ‘well they need to gel’ but how long does that take? Six months?

If we are not comfortably in the play offs by Christmas, I am taking a four point cushion, then questions need to be asked about his position.

David Clowes clearly isn’t that struck otherwise he wouldn’t be our interim manager.

4 minutes ago, dcfcreece1601 said:

Who would of thought playing a CM at RB would come back and bite us ?‍? long season ahead

Playing Knight as right back is an atrocious decision by Rosenior. It is very very naive of him.

2 hours ago, brady1993 said:

So I'm putting this post together because since the start of the season there have been question marks on Knight starting at RB which have ranged from mildly questioning to outright ridiculing. 

But very frequently what gets missed is why Knight is starting there, why he's good at it and why it actually relies on his skillset. So I'm going to play devil's advocate and argue for Knight should start there.

Tactics

I think that Rosenior identified that a few things going into the season; we have talent in midfield, we likely have technical superiority and teams are likely going to sit back and try to counter or press and try to counter. And so he's built tactically from that point.You can see this in how our flanks are set up.

Wingers play high and wide and are both fast, phsyical and good 1v1. A compact opposition has to stretch or leave a man free. A team that presses always has to be wary of that threat in behind if they overcommit. Also it helps provide space in the centre for our midfield to take advantage of.

Meanwhile our fullbacks essentially play as midfielders when we have the ball. They tuck right into the middle operating from a much more central postion and given the responsibilities of a deep midfielder in getting the play going and supporting the play. This provides extra functional bodies in the build up play making it theoretically easier to pass through a press and it allows other midfielders to go take up dangerous positions further up field as they don't have to worry so much about the build up. Same applies to the wingers who can play high and wide because the fullbacks are functionally midfielders.

This isn't something revolutionary that Rosenior has done. In fact it's almost identical to what Guardiola has done in the past (who often would play midfielders like Delph at fullback).

Inverted fullback

The demands on this role are different that was is typically called for. They need to very comfortable on the ball in central areas, their passing needs to be good, they need to know what to do positionally when they are in midfield and they need that high energy to cover ground, support the attack and quickly get back into position. Functionally it operates a lot more like a wide midfield role on the ball.

Why Knight ? 

Simply put he excels at all of the above qualities is the primary reason whilst being sound defensively. There is a good reason why most our success in attacking has happened down the right. Playing him there essentially allows us to cheat and play another midfielder

The second reason is with a decent number of midfielders going into pre-season but no right back in sight with restricted dealings in the window. It made sense to coach someone into the role and Knight ticked the most boxes.

Why not X instead of Knight ? 

Odurah - Seems a decent prospect but looked a touch raw and shaky in pre-season. Likely isn't ready just yet.

Smith - This could work but Knight has more energy and crucially Smith hasn't had the same coaching time to coach him into the role.

Thompson - isn't as phsyical as Knight which could get exposed defensively and would need coaching into the role.

Stearman - This is a joke right ? He looks too awkward at CB on the ball never mind in midfield areas and would get exposed for pace.

Roberts - The role benefits from someone playing on their stronger side so they can open their body easier. Also needed at LB as Fozzy can't really play that role reliably.

New Right Back - Well yeah... but that's increasingly unlikely to happen but it won't be for a lack of trying.

Should he play midfield anyway ? 

Now that's a tricky question. Because we have a balance problem in midfield (at least some of the time) that you can point to Knight as a fix. And Id agree with that to a large degree that Knight as one of the three would help. The two counterarguments I might make are that problem might be better solved by playing either Sibley or a fit McGoldrick and by moving Knight from there you might be just shifting a problem rather than fixing it overall.

TLDR; The way we play calls for someone comfortable in midfield at right back. And Knight is likely the best at it we have.

(PS you may be able to tell I'm bored because I'm ill at home) 

Playing a central midfielder at right back instead of recruiting an actual right back is very short sighted.

Knight should be running the midfield as well as providing a goal threat.

If this was Cocu it would be slated.

Some would say it is very naive of Rosenior to potentially waste Knight at full back.

7 hours ago, NottsRam77 said:

Couldnt agree more

ill back rosenior and the lads .. goes without saying but for me its cocu ball and it doesnt work in england 

Before anyone starts its not pep football as that involves a hard high press. 

its cocu ball, frank de boer ball and the best most very recent example of it eric ten haag ball… and we all know how thats going.

The dutch philosophy of football thats exercised by the big two over there in a league thats basically scotland doesnt carry over here. 

i get why we’re doing it in that if we want to be attractive to other clubs to loan us players then if we’re playing good football then we have more chance of landing them.

and if we can nurture

good Young player who can play good football theyll carry a greater sell on 

but that doesnt make it effective football.

i hope we succeed with it more than anything, nothing would give me greater pride and pleasure and i applaude liam for trying and if we do ill more than happily say im wrong. 

i just dont think it works in england and believe the evidence is overhwelming

 

So do you think Man City are boring? They are play a possession based football but have developed that cutting edge.
Guardiola’s fantastic brand of football is actually one developed by John Cruyff in Holland (Total Football) and this is what too Dutch coaches try to replicate.

6 hours ago, Rammy03 said:

I just don't want to see more boring possession football like we had under Cocu. 

So do you think Man City are boring? They are play a possession based football but have developed that cutting edge.

I commented on another thread to say Knight playing right back is hampering us further forward and got derided for it. What if Knight was playing in a midfield three if him, Smith / Bird and Hourihane. If he was allowed to make runs into the box or hover round the edge of box like Bryson did. Knight could be picking up goals.

Instead he is stuck at right back. Rosenior needs to find a right back and allow Knight to play his actual role. Rosenior said that Delph played left back and Man City won the league. Yes they did but we are not Man City

I am not suggesting it will solve all the issues but it could be a start.

Find a right back and allow Knight to be a threat in games.

1 minute ago, AGR said:

Won’t be getting out this league with Collins up front all season. He offers nothing 

It is good to see he has been written off after four games.

Just now, Ellafella said:

corner great work by dobbin & knight...the value of Knight getting forward

Are you suggesting Knight should be played in his natural role instead of a make shift right back? And we should sign an actual right back?

Stop this logical nonsense!

We have to prioritise a right full back. Playing Knight there is hampering us further forward.

When they knew Byrne was off it should of been the main focus, or we trust Oduroh.

We can’t we offer him Boro have him if they step aside for us to get Tommy Smith?

People asking for chose us and not a championship club? Well it could be he and his family are settled in the midlands after leaving Villa.

Birmingham is only 45 minutes from Derby meaning he does not have to move and relocate his family. That is a big factor.

It cannot be wages as we must be under tight conditions with the business plan in mind.

The same maybe said for James Chester (Stoke) and David McGoldrick.

Derby’s team for next season:

Sign goalkeeper

Ebolese

Cashin

Sign centre half

Buchanan / Williams

Bird / Thompson

Knight

Ebiowei

Gordon

Plange / Sibley

Delap

Look at all our academy products …. Oh wait ducking no we can’t. Screwed over, ripped off and exploited by the ‘big clubs’.

I have seen the march to Pride Park on the 18th. Who do fans think will be there? The administrators? I very much doubt it.

Fans will go and chant to no one except probably a few grounds men and shop staff.

Instead all of us should complain as per the below:

If you are not satisfied with the way your complaint is dealt with, you may wish to take up the matter with the Insolvency Complaints Gateway which is operated by the Insolvency Service.  You can find out more at: https://www.gov.uk/complain-about-insolvency-practitioner.

This is taken from their website. 30,000 plus making complaints to the Insolvency Service cannot be ignored.

Two options now:

1) Ashley buys us in the next 14 days.

2) Liquidation incoming.

Dane Scarlett from Tottenham on loan. Highly rated and Conte wants him to go to a league one club. Who better to develop a young striker than Rooney.

I also think Rooney will have a lot of pull with some players keen to work with him.

Adnan Januzaj. Recently released by Real Sociedad and only 27.

5 minutes ago, maxjam said:

Agree with this and people should temper their expectations accordingly.

We've lost a lot of players (and no doubt more will go) the youth academy has been raided and we're limited by even more strict FFP rules in League One.

My hope is that Rooney signs a 3+ year contract with the intention of seeing it through, its not going to be a quick fix and if managers quite part way through the rebuild there is the potential of ending up with an unbalanced squad again as we did under MMs hire and fire regime.

If Rooney does a half decent job next season then he will be gone. He has been linked with Premier League jobs already.

It is inevitable that more lower end Premier League jobs will come up next season. If we find ourselves in the top two then those clubs will come sniffing.

12 hours ago, B4ev6is said:

Well derby county has survived were likes of steve gibson tried and failed to send us out of business and efl might have sent us down but they have not divided us far far far from it but brought us closer to derby county they might have won the battle but were about win the freaking war with them.

Steve Gibson did not try to put us out of business. This is all Mel Morris’ fault. His flagrant rule breaking of the financial fair play rules to cover his excessive spending on poor quality players.

He thought he was clever, he thought he was toying with the EFL was fun and he got found out.

Selling the stadium to a company owned by him was dodgy and everyone knew it.

Also, what war have we won? We were deducted 21 points and ultimately got relegated. We have five contracted players and need a massive rebuild.

Winning the war would have been to have been taken over before December 2021, brought in quality players in January and then staying up with time to spare.

No looking forward to it one bit. League one can be a graveyard for former premier league teams.

It is good to see some fans think we can win the league already that will not pee off other clubs one bit.

We have five contracted players, a manager who has never managed or played at this level before, we are not an attractive club to come to due to massive uncertainty.

I think in our current predicament we would be blessed to make the play offs next season.

6 minutes ago, YouRams said:

Wouldn't condone it but imagine some of the other fan bases around the country how theyd react, we've been very very accepting of everything that's happened, too accepting you could say!

I wouldn’t harm him. However, non stop protests outside his house all day and all night so he cannot sleep or have moment’s peace would be good.

12 minutes ago, jono said:

I am a dyed in the wool season ticket holding half fan. I might make it to Burton or Chesterfield at a push but it’s very much a “might” and I am pretty certain it would be on a match by match basis, Saturdays only. I reckon at least 50% of our current attendance would probably feel the same. Unless it’s local, the masses simply will not come.  What’s the capacity of the Pirelli ?

Coventry barely took anyone to ‘home games’ when ground sharing because of the travelling. I think Birmingham was the best for them.

Their fans lost interest having to go to Northampton.

All this talk of ground sharing is horrifying. Trust me I have worked in Coventry for over 14 years and ground sharing killed their fans. They were so disheartened.

Only now when they are back at the CBS are they truly happy.

Branko Strupar

Raul Albentosa

1 hour ago, Tamworthram said:

Nice to know you’re looking forward to it.

I am not looking forward to it but it is the way we are going unfortunately.