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What the F are we arguing about then? All I suggested was maybe there should be some shared responsibility which you now seem to (maybe) agree with even though you said there is no such thing as shared responsibility.
Third time of asking, were you at the game?
Regardless of the tactic or style of play Warne wants, do you think the players are seriously going to be thinking none of it was their fault, they were only following orders (even if they did put in poor crosses or missed tackles etc if they did)?
 

The FA Cup lost it's sparkle years ago...imo, So being knocked out means didley squat to me, What is a concern is the whole sh!t show from top to bottom at Moor Farm, Manager/Coaches/Players, This club lurch from the sublime to the ridiculous, Performances are sporadic, Players are either poor or good, PW says he's disappointed, He says the players hurried and put cross after cross in the box, Where's the leader on the pitch, The one the players voted in, He's the mouthpiece for PW.
Time and again that corner we think we had turned after a couple of good results is littered with booby traps that we fail to avoid, All self inflicted by players and management that are struggling to adapt to either a system or tactics or haven't the character to cope in a game of football    

I would highly doubt we would have conceded 5 or 6 with a few younger players in there.
Playing a "strong team" of old guys with their, what? 6th game in 3 weeks? That's foolish.

The main issue with the loss is the team he put out. I don't think anyone would have minded if we had lost with 2-4 academy lads getting a game.

I'd much rather have beat Barnsley and lost to Crewe than the other way round. We were never going to win the cup, and is our squad strong enough for a cup run anyway? I honestly couldn't care less about this result, and I think the result at the weekend means far more.
It does feel a little bit like the anti-Warne brigade are just waiting for a poor result to set out their usual stall, and the results between don't factor into their thinking- maybe this is harsh? Any mention of ''luck'' or ''results in spite of the manager'' are getting dismissed outright as that's daft, you can't only credit the manager with the negatives and expect to be taken seriously... 

Saturday was okay we scored 2 goals off long free kicks but you’ve got to score them somehow. The other a soft penalty. Still didn’t like our overall play but when you win who cares. When you don’t win then this is what is looked at. What really annoys me more than anything with warne is his inability to change a game when it’s not going his way. Also what is the point of a cat 1 academy if the manager doesn’t at least throw them in a cup game when we have 12 senior players who played 3 days earlier. At least Rooney and Rosenior would have chucked them in. 
 
if I was an academy prospect I’d look at other teams than derby with the current set up as with this manager I don’t see a pathway to the first team 

As much as I enjoyed this last post I see that the last 3 pages of this thread have become political. Sort it out Mods, even if it hurts a little to come down on the anti-Tory rhetoric. 

Worn the armband at every club he's been at for at least 1 game, including an extended run when at Oxford - may have been vice captain? He also became Plymouth's youngest captain in 50 years (when 19).

I agree to an extent in the sense that cup games should (potentially) be excluded (I don’t imagine Portsmouth fans are losing too much sleep over losing to Chesterfield) but, wouldn’t you say we have already been fundamentally inconsistent in the league even before the Bristol and Vale games? I would turn it around and suggest we have been inconsistent and it will take a longer run of good results (or at least good performances) to prove otherwise.

What the F are we arguing about then? All I suggested was maybe there should be some shared responsibility which you now seem to (maybe) agree with even though you said there is no such thing as shared responsibility.
Third time of asking, were you at the game?
Regardless of the tactic or style of play Warne wants, do you think the players are seriously going to be thinking none of it was their fault, they were only following orders (even if they did put in poor crosses or missed tackles etc if they did)?
 

We have won our last 3 home league games, scoring 9 and conceding 0. Assume they were all lucky?

OK so 100% Warne's fault. Even if the players made mistakes/didn't play well etc it's all Warne's fault - if you say so.
I wasn't at the game (were you?) I'm just suggesting maybe there should be an element of shared responsivity (but mostly Warne's). A concept you can't seem to accept.  

OK so 100% Warne's fault. Even if the players made mistakes/didn't play well etc it's all Warne's fault - if you say so.
I wasn't at the game (were you?) I'm just suggesting maybe there should be an element of shared responsivity (but mostly Warne's). A concept you can't seem to accept.  

So why bother challenging me when I suggested perhaps there should be some shared responsibility.
Sound like you can't answer any questions (even the simple one "were you at the game?") and hide behind the cop out "go ask someone who is bothered"

I assume you're not referring to me. I've made several posts on this thread questioning the tactics and players tonight (as I say though, my comments were only based on the score line and other comments on this forum). 
There is nothing wrong with praising the tactics and players after a game like Saturday (but some couldn't bring themselves to do this) but then questioning/criticising the same after a game like tonight (although, maybe some others can't bring themselves to do that). 

What the F are we arguing about then? All I suggested was maybe there should be some shared responsibility which you now seem to (maybe) agree with even though you said there is no such thing as shared responsibility.
Third time of asking, were you at the game?
Regardless of the tactic or style of play Warne wants, do you think the players are seriously going to be thinking none of it was their fault, they were only following orders (even if they did put in poor crosses or missed tackles etc if they did)?
 

What the F are we arguing about then? All I suggested was maybe there should be some shared responsibility which you now seem to (maybe) agree with even though you said there is no such thing as shared responsibility.
Third time of asking, were you at the game?
Regardless of the tactic or style of play Warne wants, do you think the players are seriously going to be thinking none of it was their fault, they were only following orders (even if they did put in poor crosses or missed tackles etc if they did)?
 

You could add in Blackpool (home in the whatever cup) and Oxford at home to that list.
Too many "disappointments" for me. 7 defeats already (including cups) and we're only a third through the season.

Changing tactics and playing style might help. Also adapting with changes to counter against different opposition play and styles. Warne is not a good tactician especially when you consider we only played Crewe 10 days ago.

What the F are we arguing about then? All I suggested was maybe there should be some shared responsibility which you now seem to (maybe) agree with even though you said there is no such thing as shared responsibility.
Third time of asking, were you at the game?
Regardless of the tactic or style of play Warne wants, do you think the players are seriously going to be thinking none of it was their fault, they were only following orders (even if they did put in poor crosses or missed tackles etc if they did)?
 

What the F are we arguing about then? All I suggested was maybe there should be some shared responsibility which you now seem to (maybe) agree with even though you said there is no such thing as shared responsibility.
Third time of asking, were you at the game?
Regardless of the tactic or style of play Warne wants, do you think the players are seriously going to be thinking none of it was their fault, they were only following orders (even if they did put in poor crosses or missed tackles etc if they did)?
 

OK. So same questions @Andicis. Do you think the players will assume any responsibility for tonight?
I've already said I wasn't at the game. Were you? You didn't answer that question. 

OK so 100% Warne's fault. Even if the players made mistakes/didn't play well etc it's all Warne's fault - if you say so.
I wasn't at the game (were you?) I'm just suggesting maybe there should be an element of shared responsivity (but mostly Warne's). A concept you can't seem to accept.  

OK so 100% Warne's fault. Even if the players made mistakes/didn't play well etc it's all Warne's fault - if you say so.
I wasn't at the game (were you?) I'm just suggesting maybe there should be an element of shared responsivity (but mostly Warne's). A concept you can't seem to accept.  

Do you believe the players assume any of the blame for their poor performance tonight, yes or no?