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35 minutes ago, Carl Sagan said:

What I found interesting is that when Kirchner returned to re-bid for Derby, the Twitter offense archaeologists were out in force trying to dig up as much dirt as possible when none of this seemed to happen over his Preston bid. What is it with us? This anti-Derby agenda (from the EFL down) is a really odd and disturbing thing. Normally you'd say it was jealousy.

Forest fans

Just now, Ram@Lincoln said:

The concourse outlets and catering was all outsourced to the company that does Wembley concourses. Delaware North. GSE wouldn't have had much say other than take whatever slice of profits they were contracted to as the club. From their own website, they've had it from 2008, which coincides with the GSE takeover. https://www.delawarenorth.com/venues/pride-park-stadium

On the Kirchner news, with him now being confirmed as the preferred bidder - can Radio Derby et al now get an actual interview with him to play out on air? Either if it isn't live or interactive, just to hear direct from Kirchner's mouth and not via "I spoke to him/advisors over Twitter" or likewise. You've been confirmed, now speak to us directly on the radio, answer some questions about the process from now and the future plans. That'll go a long way to getting everyone on side.

I think the point is I would and most fans would gladly chomp down a Kentucky Jumbo Corn Dog or Supersize New York whopper Burger at half time if it means we have DCFC to support.

Yeh we should hear from Kirchener soon and fingers crossed a deal gets done!

Just now, belperram9 said:

Whole thing smells of desperation to me. Administrators said no to him originally due to better offers, now they’ve gone crawling back to Kirchner begging him to bail them out?  Be interesting to know what kind of deal he has achieved.

I can’t get excited about Americans involved in football over here either. Remember last time we had yanks at the helm and they tried changing all the food items at the stadium, ‘long Albuquerque Chicago Rams mega XL hotdog’. Was so cringe how everything was Americanised. I can see it happening again. 
 

The administrators have demonstrated their absolute ineptness as well. I remember that useless Hoskins going on Talksport last September with his pal Simon Jordan, both waxing lyrical about one another and Hoskins somewhat proclaiming everything will be sorted by Christmas. Why make statements like that when you haven’t even looked at the issues to begin with? The deeper they’ve delved they’ve been out of their depth. 
 

oh well, hopefully it’s over now. Fight and win…. 

Not worried about the names of the food in the concourse. Think beggars can't be choosers comes to mind. 

Crazy difference between home and away this season. Derby have taken 37 points from home matches this season - only 3 points less than the top home side Fulham. Must be a record for a bottom side! Just 12 points away is miserable really. 1 point from last 8 matches away. It's becoming bizarre. I think Derby should just play an attacking style. Swansea concede a fair amount of goals (more than Derby) and Derby desperately need an away win. 

16 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

I don't think the velodrome brings the same levels of polarised opinions. I bet most people think, Meh. 

Football though, makes some people think about overpaid prima donna's, about too much exposure on TV, about hooliganism in the 80s, about tribalism. And there's lots of people who just think it's a waste of money. 

I don't see a council risking peeing off all the people who don't like football,that's all. 

I think the council would have majority support from residents in the city. Hooliganism in the 80s shouldn’t be a factor in this. The council should absolutely explore the option of acquiring the stadium from MM. The loss of DcFC to the city would be disastrous financially, culturally, emotionally. I would argue the council spending money to acquire PP with the obvious economic benefits in future years would be ALOT more popular in Derby than the Arena/Velodrome construction.

1 minute ago, Tyler Durden said:

Fans of other clubs might not give a toss about safeguarding Derby County which is the fatal flaw in your argument.

They also might be so myopic to be able to see any tangible benefits to the local economy. 

A lot of people don’t care about lots of things the council spends money on... taxpayers paid a lot of money for a velodrome/ arena which has been divisive.... 

You will never get a plan that will please everyone. The majority of city residents I’m sure understand the importance of the football club

1 minute ago, Tyler Durden said:

It's too divisive a topic as another poster has quite rightly stated it would alienate football fans whom lived in the parish whom didn't support Derby and so on. 

Its a good way of the local council signing their own death warrants. 

I think you’re overstating any feeling against. The benefit to the economy is obvious. I doubt many fans of other teams will be alienated as it’s obviously beneficial to the city to safeguard Derby County and it’s stadium. 

1 minute ago, GboroRam said:

Not many council white elephants are polarising as football is. It's just a risky way to spend public money - and doing polarising things isn't a ery council-like thing to do. 

My mother for example has no interest in football. I'm sure a lot of people are the same. My dad hates it. They'd be up in arms if their local council spent £20m, good investment or not. 

And how many local Forest, Leeds, Burton Albion etc. fans would vote for the same group of local councillors who pushed this through? 

It just feels like the kind of thing a council would steer clear of, for self preservation reasons. 

Hasn’t millions of taxpayers money been spent on the velodrome? Think there would be more support to save the local football club.

Just now, Tyler Durden said:

Am just saying what is immediately obvious and attractive to a football supporter will not have the same bearing on those who don't follow football. 

Someone whose never supported a football team might easily turn round and question this and quite rightly. It's the thin end of the wedge. 

Derby County is too important to local economy and has massive cultural significance to the area. Similar to Rolls Royce, it’s a big name in the area. Probably not a big employer (I guess more medium scale) but the revenue created must be significant. Council spends money on things all the time and every big outlay will upset some people who don’t appreciate investment in the arts (questionable whether the council has been investing properly in arts but that’s beside the point) or sport or whatever. 

13 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said:

What about residents of Derby whom have no affinity to watching football let alone their local team

Residents of Derby have had little say when they built the velodrome at almost £30mil. 

52 minutes ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said:

Duck the stadium, just play behind closed doors at Moor Farm until it gets sorted and leave Mel with a 30k stadium and see what use he gets. 
 

Id rather ground share with Alfreton Town and watch it on Rams TV 

I’d rather not. 

38 minutes ago, Curtains said:

Some fans  saying they don’t want the City Council to help with the Stadium .

I would love to know what these fans would suggest then as an alternative if MM won’t budge on Stadium price and bidders won’t increase bids to accommodate this .

Only reasonable alternatives allowed not ifs buts and maybes 

What fans don’t want this?  

36 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

On the Morris point, Hosking said a few weeks back he didn't have a clue how much money Morris has. That surprised me. In answer to your question, if I was trying to persuade Morris to take a further hit I would use two reasons for him to do that 1) He can afford to lose a few million  and 2) He is a fan and his fellow Rams fans are suffering big time. There is no legal basis that I know of for getting Morris to cough up more but even the moral argument has to be had with him.    

Worryingly if he has a personal loan maybe he can’t afford to lose any more money. Is he even wealthy anymore aside from big houses? No one knows. Moral argument ... unconvinced that works so well with very wealthy people. 

1 hour ago, RipleyRich said:

Personally, I think people are over complicating this.

Reading between the lines of the statement from Quantuma, and the EFL reminder re Football Creditors, it appears very simple to me that as of last night there is not a bid on the table that meets the financial threshold to be put forward.

Whatever the reasons behind that are, we can only guess. I`ve said it before and still believe HMRC have a massive hand in this. When Football Creditors are now believed to be in the £4-6m bracket, why does that need to be reinforced when bids of c£30m have been mentioned?

It just suggests to me that there is insufficient allocation in those bids for Football Creditors?

You can add the Stadium issue on top of that, because it seems that no party currently sees the Club having a value of c£50m,  and a deal at c£30m without a stadium, no squad, in L1 with reduced income and a probability of starting next season on -15 points, makes no business sense whatsoever.

I do not like that statement one bit. Maybe I`m just a glass half empty type, but it reads like it`s preparing us for bad news.

100 per cent. Very worrying statement- reminding bidders about golden share and paying football creditors. As if the bids have been no where near, then threatening fans. There is maybe a few weeks until funding runs out. At the moment, liquidation is most likely scenario until something changes. Sad but true. If it comes to it, hopefully AFC Derby County can be set up not too low down the pyramid. Real disdain for how this club has been run. It’s criminal and helped along by the EFL, Gibson and others. 

Disappointed with the tone of Q statement with threats about fan demonstrations. Will it impact potential bidders? Doesn’t seem like there are any, Derby fans have been patient. Feels like fans have been let down by Morris, EFL, Quantuma, Gibson etc. Quantuma should not be making promises ‘imminently etc’ Morris has pretty much made the club unsellable. Good case that EFL should not have docked Derby the 9 points. Definitely seemed to have been a vendetta against Morris/ DCFC. 
Feels like everything has come at the worst time- COVID HMRC bills, Morris has made mistake after mistake. Crazy really. Sounds very bleak

It’s this tactical by Ashley to force pressure on Morris? 

6 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

Interesting. So it might not be Ashley this uk bid then? And Percy confirming the penalty is “up to 15 points”… so could be nothing. 

Depends on how lenient Gibson is feeling on the day 

26 minutes ago, Ewe Ram said:

This is also what I don’t understand. Why is everyone getting all wound up over ‘it is thought’ and ‘it’s alleged’??

it’s not fact so why bother getting in a state about it. 

A lot of people are just dismissing news reports and have been for some time (including myself) but I think there is a lot of truth- no one is meeting the demands/ Morris valuation. Also, the Funding is until May. DCFC won’t exist without more funding beyond that so there is a few weeks before the football club will be wound up unless someone steps in. Now is the time to demand answers. 

2 minutes ago, Ambitious said:

What an absolute nonsense, if that article is true. 

I would like Mike Ashley to be the new owner, but you can't claim to have the money to meet the EFL's requirements to avoid -15 point deduction and be very interested in purchasing the club and not talk to the ones facilitating the sale for two months. 

Yep, unless for whatever reason Q/ Morris don’t want to sell to Ashley. Which would be unfathomable but there’s so much guesswork, I guess only a few people know what’s really going on. 

1 minute ago, TomTom92 said:

It’s become quite apparent that Mel or Pearce are pulling Quantumas strings. 
  
Saw somebody tweet Nixon that the admins have basically gambled on them finding a better deal than the one they had in Dec/Jan and of course it’s backfired. Unless this is all Mel’s grand plan to leave himself as the only credible bidder. 
 
Either way can’t help think that Q have had a shocker, regardless of how hard it’s been.

Why would Mel want no other bidder to come forward ? What sort of grand plan is this? Someone else does his cost cutting for him? He’s been trying to sell the club for a long time. No way is Morris a bidder. 

1 minute ago, Animal is a Ram said:

 

Not a credible bidder if he doesn’t meet the asking price. Or he is and Morris isn’t budging on stadium price. 

1 hour ago, glyn1957 said:

I went to the game at the Ricoh  and took my two grandsons along with  me ,it was the match where all the trouble was with fans wearing t shirts spelling Sisu out on them and watching the stewards running up and down the stairs trying to  pull them off the fans but the fans just threw them up or down for others to put on .

Now the reason i recall this match was when you said we as DCFC fans are meandering along and i agree with you ,as a fan base we have never really been disruptive  and i think the EFL are happy about that but the games are passing us by if we want / need to demonstrate our anger, lets go out with a bang and not a bl@@dy whimper like RAMS not bl@@dy sheep .

Issue is who do we protest about? Morris? Maybe, he’s been trying to sell the club and we don’t know if his demands now are holding it all up - probably is but not certain (perhaps he is in financial crisis himself) ... are Quantuma doing a good job? Failed deadlines but they can’t make bidders pay enough. We don’t know what HMRC want or even the details of the bids. Coventry had a clear SISU out message but what do we protest? I guess Mel to gift the stadium or sell it for less. 

15 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Rehashed from other articles that are all guesswork…

but probably true

1 hour ago, rsmini said:

I’ve been saying for some time now a new owner might decide the best option is to build a new stadium somewhere in the county. The problem with that is it could well cost an awful lot of money to do so. 

Crazy if that’s the best option.... would cost less to buy PP. probably much less