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What happens when you get a large gathering of grumpy old folk though in the west stand though? No unsuspecting calm fans to vent their grumpiness too only one another?
Do they instantaneously combust when a pass goes astray?
I think the club has to spread them out a bit to comply with the Fire Safety Certificate. 

Perhaps @archramis reaching the stage where the west stand comes into its own? I notice people get grumpier as they start getting on in years so they will be in their element shouting "bloody rubbish, Derby!" at every misplaced pass, and there's no shame in a flask and a nice warm blanket. And it's quiet enough to nod off if you want :) 

Is that the lesser spotted Jozwiak? 

You’ve sunk my battleship ?

Since having to give up my season ticket I have trouble finding a seat that suits me on the odd occasions I can get to a match. Can’t do the ends as can’t see the other end of the pitch very well ; not too many steps in the stadium itself as no hand rail ; not too high up ; not too low as I then can’t follow the play very well! As my mother used to say if I complained about anything ‘ You could always stop at home’ but I like to go to games!
Though in the end I’m still so excited to be there it doesn’t matter that much!
Any thoughts or advice?

East Stand looking right down the half way line. Perfect view for perspective.

I do get what @Carl Saganis saying and strangely I agree with much of it. I wouldn't say it's a form of worship but we've got ourselves into a difficult place with regards to the NHS. I fully accept it has to change because it is failing. It's failing on a number of fronts. But politically, it feels like failure is being used to justify changes which will bring about more private hands dipping into a public service. One side refuses to hear criticism, the other wants to talk about changes that scare me. 
The NHS isn't as good as we'd like to tell ourselves. It's failing when compared to other countries. But we have to keep telling everyone that it's the best in the world. It isn't. 
It needs more joined up thinking, linking social care and medical care. 
People need to stop getting shitfaced and doing idiotic things that end up with them in A&E. 
We need to keep the expensive resources we train, rather than let them leave to go to the US or Australia for the money, unlike many currently do. 
The bureaucracy thing seems to be less of an issue that was banged on about during the last but one government's attitude. But I'm sure there's savings still to be made. 
But most importantly, it needs funding. And that likely requires more taxation. Health care is costly at the top end. An aging population requires more care. And much of the care could be better focused on social care rather than in hospitals, if we got the thinking right. 
It needs some radical overhaul, but I get nervous when the current government suggests anything that contains the two words "radical" and "NHS". I don't trust them one bit. 

It wasn't so long ago that most decent companies offered private healthcare as part of their package to attract employees, but weirdly rampant capitalism has dulled their enthusiasm for treating their employees like anything other than a necessary evil. They can't even give us payrises so why would they give us free private healthcare 

What you are saying is that the NHS is broken and that funding is also an issue , both true. Problem is that if you provide more funding for a broken system you risk throwing good money after bad.   

I don't have the answers I'm afraid. I would like us to retain the principle of healthcare being free at point of use. Maybe introduce compulsory private healthcare insurance cover for employees of large Companies, which would take the strain away from the NHS without disadvantaging those who cannot afford to pay . And, as you say fix social care. Both measures would relieve pressure on the NHS.     

I find it utterly bizarre that anybody who cares about our health service would consider voting for a party that has systematically dismantled it over a sustained period of time.
 

When the NHS kicked off in 1948, all dentistry was free. Demand for false teeth in particular was so high, it would have bankrupt the country, so Atlee's government reluctantly had to limit what dentistry would be free and what would have to be paid for. Nye Bevan resigned over this, but Atlee had little choice. 
There is, therefore, a precedent for what @Archiedis suggesting, and I have some sympathy for that view. I wouldn't want to be the person deciding what is free and what isn't, but it's true that the NHS offers far more "elective" treatments than it was initially designed for. We have a simple choice : pay more through tax, or pay for some treatments that are "elective".
A little girl got lifesaving gene therapy treatment the other day. It cost £3m, but I'd say it was worth every penny. I'm happy to pay more through whatever method to ensure little girls like her are saved, because I can afford to, but I know not everyone is able or wishes to. I don't really envy politicians who have to solve that conundrum. 

To be fair, a couple of players you spunked millions of pounds on in the summer are now working as taxi drivers and bin men in the week. 

I do get what @Carl Saganis saying and strangely I agree with much of it. I wouldn't say it's a form of worship but we've got ourselves into a difficult place with regards to the NHS. I fully accept it has to change because it is failing. It's failing on a number of fronts. But politically, it feels like failure is being used to justify changes which will bring about more private hands dipping into a public service. One side refuses to hear criticism, the other wants to talk about changes that scare me. 
The NHS isn't as good as we'd like to tell ourselves. It's failing when compared to other countries. But we have to keep telling everyone that it's the best in the world. It isn't. 
It needs more joined up thinking, linking social care and medical care. 
People need to stop getting shitfaced and doing idiotic things that end up with them in A&E. 
We need to keep the expensive resources we train, rather than let them leave to go to the US or Australia for the money, unlike many currently do. 
The bureaucracy thing seems to be less of an issue that was banged on about during the last but one government's attitude. But I'm sure there's savings still to be made. 
But most importantly, it needs funding. And that likely requires more taxation. Health care is costly at the top end. An aging population requires more care. And much of the care could be better focused on social care rather than in hospitals, if we got the thinking right. 
It needs some radical overhaul, but I get nervous when the current government suggests anything that contains the two words "radical" and "NHS". I don't trust them one bit. 

Perhaps people want a change from the failed current regime and can only see one realistic alternative? 

I do get what @Carl Saganis saying and strangely I agree with much of it. I wouldn't say it's a form of worship but we've got ourselves into a difficult place with regards to the NHS. I fully accept it has to change because it is failing. It's failing on a number of fronts. But politically, it feels like failure is being used to justify changes which will bring about more private hands dipping into a public service. One side refuses to hear criticism, the other wants to talk about changes that scare me. 
The NHS isn't as good as we'd like to tell ourselves. It's failing when compared to other countries. But we have to keep telling everyone that it's the best in the world. It isn't. 
It needs more joined up thinking, linking social care and medical care. 
People need to stop getting shitfaced and doing idiotic things that end up with them in A&E. 
We need to keep the expensive resources we train, rather than let them leave to go to the US or Australia for the money, unlike many currently do. 
The bureaucracy thing seems to be less of an issue that was banged on about during the last but one government's attitude. But I'm sure there's savings still to be made. 
But most importantly, it needs funding. And that likely requires more taxation. Health care is costly at the top end. An aging population requires more care. And much of the care could be better focused on social care rather than in hospitals, if we got the thinking right. 
It needs some radical overhaul, but I get nervous when the current government suggests anything that contains the two words "radical" and "NHS". I don't trust them one bit. 

I do get what @Carl Saganis saying and strangely I agree with much of it. I wouldn't say it's a form of worship but we've got ourselves into a difficult place with regards to the NHS. I fully accept it has to change because it is failing. It's failing on a number of fronts. But politically, it feels like failure is being used to justify changes which will bring about more private hands dipping into a public service. One side refuses to hear criticism, the other wants to talk about changes that scare me. 
The NHS isn't as good as we'd like to tell ourselves. It's failing when compared to other countries. But we have to keep telling everyone that it's the best in the world. It isn't. 
It needs more joined up thinking, linking social care and medical care. 
People need to stop getting shitfaced and doing idiotic things that end up with them in A&E. 
We need to keep the expensive resources we train, rather than let them leave to go to the US or Australia for the money, unlike many currently do. 
The bureaucracy thing seems to be less of an issue that was banged on about during the last but one government's attitude. But I'm sure there's savings still to be made. 
But most importantly, it needs funding. And that likely requires more taxation. Health care is costly at the top end. An aging population requires more care. And much of the care could be better focused on social care rather than in hospitals, if we got the thinking right. 
It needs some radical overhaul, but I get nervous when the current government suggests anything that contains the two words "radical" and "NHS". I don't trust them one bit. 

Big Sam?
I assume you jest, have you seen how much a pint of wine costs in the South?

I take it none of them fancy the look of Steve cooper?

mel morris

I do get what @Carl Saganis saying and strangely I agree with much of it. I wouldn't say it's a form of worship but we've got ourselves into a difficult place with regards to the NHS. I fully accept it has to change because it is failing. It's failing on a number of fronts. But politically, it feels like failure is being used to justify changes which will bring about more private hands dipping into a public service. One side refuses to hear criticism, the other wants to talk about changes that scare me. 
The NHS isn't as good as we'd like to tell ourselves. It's failing when compared to other countries. But we have to keep telling everyone that it's the best in the world. It isn't. 
It needs more joined up thinking, linking social care and medical care. 
People need to stop getting shitfaced and doing idiotic things that end up with them in A&E. 
We need to keep the expensive resources we train, rather than let them leave to go to the US or Australia for the money, unlike many currently do. 
The bureaucracy thing seems to be less of an issue that was banged on about during the last but one government's attitude. But I'm sure there's savings still to be made. 
But most importantly, it needs funding. And that likely requires more taxation. Health care is costly at the top end. An aging population requires more care. And much of the care could be better focused on social care rather than in hospitals, if we got the thinking right. 
It needs some radical overhaul, but I get nervous when the current government suggests anything that contains the two words "radical" and "NHS". I don't trust them one bit. 

I do get what @Carl Saganis saying and strangely I agree with much of it. I wouldn't say it's a form of worship but we've got ourselves into a difficult place with regards to the NHS. I fully accept it has to change because it is failing. It's failing on a number of fronts. But politically, it feels like failure is being used to justify changes which will bring about more private hands dipping into a public service. One side refuses to hear criticism, the other wants to talk about changes that scare me. 
The NHS isn't as good as we'd like to tell ourselves. It's failing when compared to other countries. But we have to keep telling everyone that it's the best in the world. It isn't. 
It needs more joined up thinking, linking social care and medical care. 
People need to stop getting shitfaced and doing idiotic things that end up with them in A&E. 
We need to keep the expensive resources we train, rather than let them leave to go to the US or Australia for the money, unlike many currently do. 
The bureaucracy thing seems to be less of an issue that was banged on about during the last but one government's attitude. But I'm sure there's savings still to be made. 
But most importantly, it needs funding. And that likely requires more taxation. Health care is costly at the top end. An aging population requires more care. And much of the care could be better focused on social care rather than in hospitals, if we got the thinking right. 
It needs some radical overhaul, but I get nervous when the current government suggests anything that contains the two words "radical" and "NHS". I don't trust them one bit.