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First time I’ve been able to get to a home game this season and first off I do believe you get a better perspective at games than what you do on RamsTV or the radio.
On RamsTV, I’ve seen a side who are trying to the right things but it coming off and felt they are being unlucky and it’ll all fall into place. At the game, I see a side who miss opportunities to pass and how important a split seconds hesitation is in terms of getting a opposition player out of position and being able to take advantage of the space created. I really like Smith as a footballer, but I saw yesterday how one footed he is and that it can slow the play down as he needs to get it on his right before passing. A few times the gap for Nyambe was lost because the ball didn’t get to him quick enough.
Smith wasn’t the only culprit, the forward line itself seem to lack any sort of nous or ability to anticipate what is going to happen in a phase of play. A ball comes across the box and Barkhuizen is behind the defender at an angle the player can’t possibly cross at, Waghorn generally running around no man’s land. We got in really good positions yesterday but players have to take care of the ball better, have composure and gamble on instinct a lot more than what we are doing.
The big thing I’d want to put across in this, is that players aren’t taking responsibility with the ball. Mendez-Laing in the first minute, the defender has handed it on a plate for him and he’s seen as our main threat. He’s through on goal and can’t get the ball out of his feet, can’t get away from the defenders and places a poor pass to Barkhuizen. Those chances set up the rest of the game, we miss and we continue to struggle to open a real opportunity until we started to look defeated around the 70th minute mark. NML isn’t the only one, I don’t see anyone who is getting hold of the ball, once again gambling on what is happening and the positions of the opposition players. Radio Derby pretty much summed it up in there very good post match coverage yesterday, have we really replaced McGoldrick and how much did his ability cover up for the rest of them?
From what I saw, I don’t see Warne as the issue here. Yes it’s ultimately his responsibility ofcourse. But I do see a style of play that is attacking and what is trying to get forward, but I thought the players let him down yesterday and I dare say that’s been the issue so far this season. But they don’t look clueless, and there’s a huge difference when a team is trying to do the right things and not because when you do the right things it eventually will fall into place.
My one big criticism of Warne is in his post match comments when he’s going ‘oh we played well and x played well’ and…I get what he’s doing in being a bit annoyed after Carlisle and then maybe trying to be over positive after yesterday to encourage the players, but you can’t pull the wool over Derby fans eyes and it’s something he needs to learn. I don’t mean this disrespectfully but we aren’t Rotherham and 18,000 fans might listen to your post match interview, at Derby you are going to get 50,000 at least and half of them know what they saw. You have to be truthful and think about how you want to say something because when it comes out wrong then it gets peoples backs up. We didn’t play bad yesterday, but we didn’t play well either and you have to at least admit that we need to play better just to appease those that are coming to home games. 
That’s my thoughts overall, I think the players need to take responsibility ultimately and I think Warne will get there but let’s be honest and say yesterday wasn’t good enough.
 

First time I’ve been able to get to a home game this season and first off I do believe you get a better perspective at games than what you do on RamsTV or the radio.
On RamsTV, I’ve seen a side who are trying to the right things but it coming off and felt they are being unlucky and it’ll all fall into place. At the game, I see a side who miss opportunities to pass and how important a split seconds hesitation is in terms of getting a opposition player out of position and being able to take advantage of the space created. I really like Smith as a footballer, but I saw yesterday how one footed he is and that it can slow the play down as he needs to get it on his right before passing. A few times the gap for Nyambe was lost because the ball didn’t get to him quick enough.
Smith wasn’t the only culprit, the forward line itself seem to lack any sort of nous or ability to anticipate what is going to happen in a phase of play. A ball comes across the box and Barkhuizen is behind the defender at an angle the player can’t possibly cross at, Waghorn generally running around no man’s land. We got in really good positions yesterday but players have to take care of the ball better, have composure and gamble on instinct a lot more than what we are doing.
The big thing I’d want to put across in this, is that players aren’t taking responsibility with the ball. Mendez-Laing in the first minute, the defender has handed it on a plate for him and he’s seen as our main threat. He’s through on goal and can’t get the ball out of his feet, can’t get away from the defenders and places a poor pass to Barkhuizen. Those chances set up the rest of the game, we miss and we continue to struggle to open a real opportunity until we started to look defeated around the 70th minute mark. NML isn’t the only one, I don’t see anyone who is getting hold of the ball, once again gambling on what is happening and the positions of the opposition players. Radio Derby pretty much summed it up in there very good post match coverage yesterday, have we really replaced McGoldrick and how much did his ability cover up for the rest of them?
From what I saw, I don’t see Warne as the issue here. Yes it’s ultimately his responsibility ofcourse. But I do see a style of play that is attacking and what is trying to get forward, but I thought the players let him down yesterday and I dare say that’s been the issue so far this season. But they don’t look clueless, and there’s a huge difference when a team is trying to do the right things and not because when you do the right things it eventually will fall into place.
My one big criticism of Warne is in his post match comments when he’s going ‘oh we played well and x played well’ and…I get what he’s doing in being a bit annoyed after Carlisle and then maybe trying to be over positive after yesterday to encourage the players, but you can’t pull the wool over Derby fans eyes and it’s something he needs to learn. I don’t mean this disrespectfully but we aren’t Rotherham and 18,000 fans might listen to your post match interview, at Derby you are going to get 50,000 at least and half of them know what they saw. You have to be truthful and think about how you want to say something because when it comes out wrong then it gets peoples backs up. We didn’t play bad yesterday, but we didn’t play well either and you have to at least admit that we need to play better just to appease those that are coming to home games. 
That’s my thoughts overall, I think the players need to take responsibility ultimately and I think Warne will get there but let’s be honest and say yesterday wasn’t good enough.
 

I think the title sums it up how I think certain fans think. 
No matter what happened, Nigel Clough was never good enough for Derby County. No matter what will happen, Paul Warne will never be seen as good enough for Derby County. 
Clough reset the club after the worst season any of us could imagine, it took time on a limited budget but he lay the path for what Mclaren should have achieved. Warne is the next one trying to build something long term.
Sorry, I just don’t get the entitlement

But I don’t think it’s Warne. We have been seeing it with so many of our coaches since Mac 1 

First time I’ve been able to get to a home game this season and first off I do believe you get a better perspective at games than what you do on RamsTV or the radio.
On RamsTV, I’ve seen a side who are trying to the right things but it coming off and felt they are being unlucky and it’ll all fall into place. At the game, I see a side who miss opportunities to pass and how important a split seconds hesitation is in terms of getting a opposition player out of position and being able to take advantage of the space created. I really like Smith as a footballer, but I saw yesterday how one footed he is and that it can slow the play down as he needs to get it on his right before passing. A few times the gap for Nyambe was lost because the ball didn’t get to him quick enough.
Smith wasn’t the only culprit, the forward line itself seem to lack any sort of nous or ability to anticipate what is going to happen in a phase of play. A ball comes across the box and Barkhuizen is behind the defender at an angle the player can’t possibly cross at, Waghorn generally running around no man’s land. We got in really good positions yesterday but players have to take care of the ball better, have composure and gamble on instinct a lot more than what we are doing.
The big thing I’d want to put across in this, is that players aren’t taking responsibility with the ball. Mendez-Laing in the first minute, the defender has handed it on a plate for him and he’s seen as our main threat. He’s through on goal and can’t get the ball out of his feet, can’t get away from the defenders and places a poor pass to Barkhuizen. Those chances set up the rest of the game, we miss and we continue to struggle to open a real opportunity until we started to look defeated around the 70th minute mark. NML isn’t the only one, I don’t see anyone who is getting hold of the ball, once again gambling on what is happening and the positions of the opposition players. Radio Derby pretty much summed it up in there very good post match coverage yesterday, have we really replaced McGoldrick and how much did his ability cover up for the rest of them?
From what I saw, I don’t see Warne as the issue here. Yes it’s ultimately his responsibility ofcourse. But I do see a style of play that is attacking and what is trying to get forward, but I thought the players let him down yesterday and I dare say that’s been the issue so far this season. But they don’t look clueless, and there’s a huge difference when a team is trying to do the right things and not because when you do the right things it eventually will fall into place.
My one big criticism of Warne is in his post match comments when he’s going ‘oh we played well and x played well’ and…I get what he’s doing in being a bit annoyed after Carlisle and then maybe trying to be over positive after yesterday to encourage the players, but you can’t pull the wool over Derby fans eyes and it’s something he needs to learn. I don’t mean this disrespectfully but we aren’t Rotherham and 18,000 fans might listen to your post match interview, at Derby you are going to get 50,000 at least and half of them know what they saw. You have to be truthful and think about how you want to say something because when it comes out wrong then it gets peoples backs up. We didn’t play bad yesterday, but we didn’t play well either and you have to at least admit that we need to play better just to appease those that are coming to home games. 
That’s my thoughts overall, I think the players need to take responsibility ultimately and I think Warne will get there but let’s be honest and say yesterday wasn’t good enough.
 

First time I’ve been able to get to a home game this season and first off I do believe you get a better perspective at games than what you do on RamsTV or the radio.
On RamsTV, I’ve seen a side who are trying to the right things but it coming off and felt they are being unlucky and it’ll all fall into place. At the game, I see a side who miss opportunities to pass and how important a split seconds hesitation is in terms of getting a opposition player out of position and being able to take advantage of the space created. I really like Smith as a footballer, but I saw yesterday how one footed he is and that it can slow the play down as he needs to get it on his right before passing. A few times the gap for Nyambe was lost because the ball didn’t get to him quick enough.
Smith wasn’t the only culprit, the forward line itself seem to lack any sort of nous or ability to anticipate what is going to happen in a phase of play. A ball comes across the box and Barkhuizen is behind the defender at an angle the player can’t possibly cross at, Waghorn generally running around no man’s land. We got in really good positions yesterday but players have to take care of the ball better, have composure and gamble on instinct a lot more than what we are doing.
The big thing I’d want to put across in this, is that players aren’t taking responsibility with the ball. Mendez-Laing in the first minute, the defender has handed it on a plate for him and he’s seen as our main threat. He’s through on goal and can’t get the ball out of his feet, can’t get away from the defenders and places a poor pass to Barkhuizen. Those chances set up the rest of the game, we miss and we continue to struggle to open a real opportunity until we started to look defeated around the 70th minute mark. NML isn’t the only one, I don’t see anyone who is getting hold of the ball, once again gambling on what is happening and the positions of the opposition players. Radio Derby pretty much summed it up in there very good post match coverage yesterday, have we really replaced McGoldrick and how much did his ability cover up for the rest of them?
From what I saw, I don’t see Warne as the issue here. Yes it’s ultimately his responsibility ofcourse. But I do see a style of play that is attacking and what is trying to get forward, but I thought the players let him down yesterday and I dare say that’s been the issue so far this season. But they don’t look clueless, and there’s a huge difference when a team is trying to do the right things and not because when you do the right things it eventually will fall into place.
My one big criticism of Warne is in his post match comments when he’s going ‘oh we played well and x played well’ and…I get what he’s doing in being a bit annoyed after Carlisle and then maybe trying to be over positive after yesterday to encourage the players, but you can’t pull the wool over Derby fans eyes and it’s something he needs to learn. I don’t mean this disrespectfully but we aren’t Rotherham and 18,000 fans might listen to your post match interview, at Derby you are going to get 50,000 at least and half of them know what they saw. You have to be truthful and think about how you want to say something because when it comes out wrong then it gets peoples backs up. We didn’t play bad yesterday, but we didn’t play well either and you have to at least admit that we need to play better just to appease those that are coming to home games. 
That’s my thoughts overall, I think the players need to take responsibility ultimately and I think Warne will get there but let’s be honest and say yesterday wasn’t good enough.
 

First time I’ve been able to get to a home game this season and first off I do believe you get a better perspective at games than what you do on RamsTV or the radio.
On RamsTV, I’ve seen a side who are trying to the right things but it coming off and felt they are being unlucky and it’ll all fall into place. At the game, I see a side who miss opportunities to pass and how important a split seconds hesitation is in terms of getting a opposition player out of position and being able to take advantage of the space created. I really like Smith as a footballer, but I saw yesterday how one footed he is and that it can slow the play down as he needs to get it on his right before passing. A few times the gap for Nyambe was lost because the ball didn’t get to him quick enough.
Smith wasn’t the only culprit, the forward line itself seem to lack any sort of nous or ability to anticipate what is going to happen in a phase of play. A ball comes across the box and Barkhuizen is behind the defender at an angle the player can’t possibly cross at, Waghorn generally running around no man’s land. We got in really good positions yesterday but players have to take care of the ball better, have composure and gamble on instinct a lot more than what we are doing.
The big thing I’d want to put across in this, is that players aren’t taking responsibility with the ball. Mendez-Laing in the first minute, the defender has handed it on a plate for him and he’s seen as our main threat. He’s through on goal and can’t get the ball out of his feet, can’t get away from the defenders and places a poor pass to Barkhuizen. Those chances set up the rest of the game, we miss and we continue to struggle to open a real opportunity until we started to look defeated around the 70th minute mark. NML isn’t the only one, I don’t see anyone who is getting hold of the ball, once again gambling on what is happening and the positions of the opposition players. Radio Derby pretty much summed it up in there very good post match coverage yesterday, have we really replaced McGoldrick and how much did his ability cover up for the rest of them?
From what I saw, I don’t see Warne as the issue here. Yes it’s ultimately his responsibility ofcourse. But I do see a style of play that is attacking and what is trying to get forward, but I thought the players let him down yesterday and I dare say that’s been the issue so far this season. But they don’t look clueless, and there’s a huge difference when a team is trying to do the right things and not because when you do the right things it eventually will fall into place.
My one big criticism of Warne is in his post match comments when he’s going ‘oh we played well and x played well’ and…I get what he’s doing in being a bit annoyed after Carlisle and then maybe trying to be over positive after yesterday to encourage the players, but you can’t pull the wool over Derby fans eyes and it’s something he needs to learn. I don’t mean this disrespectfully but we aren’t Rotherham and 18,000 fans might listen to your post match interview, at Derby you are going to get 50,000 at least and half of them know what they saw. You have to be truthful and think about how you want to say something because when it comes out wrong then it gets peoples backs up. We didn’t play bad yesterday, but we didn’t play well either and you have to at least admit that we need to play better just to appease those that are coming to home games. 
That’s my thoughts overall, I think the players need to take responsibility ultimately and I think Warne will get there but let’s be honest and say yesterday wasn’t good enough.
 

I think the title sums it up how I think certain fans think. 
No matter what happened, Nigel Clough was never good enough for Derby County. No matter what will happen, Paul Warne will never be seen as good enough for Derby County. 
Clough reset the club after the worst season any of us could imagine, it took time on a limited budget but he lay the path for what Mclaren should have achieved. Warne is the next one trying to build something long term.
Sorry, I just don’t get the entitlement

First time I’ve been able to get to a home game this season and first off I do believe you get a better perspective at games than what you do on RamsTV or the radio.
On RamsTV, I’ve seen a side who are trying to the right things but it coming off and felt they are being unlucky and it’ll all fall into place. At the game, I see a side who miss opportunities to pass and how important a split seconds hesitation is in terms of getting a opposition player out of position and being able to take advantage of the space created. I really like Smith as a footballer, but I saw yesterday how one footed he is and that it can slow the play down as he needs to get it on his right before passing. A few times the gap for Nyambe was lost because the ball didn’t get to him quick enough.
Smith wasn’t the only culprit, the forward line itself seem to lack any sort of nous or ability to anticipate what is going to happen in a phase of play. A ball comes across the box and Barkhuizen is behind the defender at an angle the player can’t possibly cross at, Waghorn generally running around no man’s land. We got in really good positions yesterday but players have to take care of the ball better, have composure and gamble on instinct a lot more than what we are doing.
The big thing I’d want to put across in this, is that players aren’t taking responsibility with the ball. Mendez-Laing in the first minute, the defender has handed it on a plate for him and he’s seen as our main threat. He’s through on goal and can’t get the ball out of his feet, can’t get away from the defenders and places a poor pass to Barkhuizen. Those chances set up the rest of the game, we miss and we continue to struggle to open a real opportunity until we started to look defeated around the 70th minute mark. NML isn’t the only one, I don’t see anyone who is getting hold of the ball, once again gambling on what is happening and the positions of the opposition players. Radio Derby pretty much summed it up in there very good post match coverage yesterday, have we really replaced McGoldrick and how much did his ability cover up for the rest of them?
From what I saw, I don’t see Warne as the issue here. Yes it’s ultimately his responsibility ofcourse. But I do see a style of play that is attacking and what is trying to get forward, but I thought the players let him down yesterday and I dare say that’s been the issue so far this season. But they don’t look clueless, and there’s a huge difference when a team is trying to do the right things and not because when you do the right things it eventually will fall into place.
My one big criticism of Warne is in his post match comments when he’s going ‘oh we played well and x played well’ and…I get what he’s doing in being a bit annoyed after Carlisle and then maybe trying to be over positive after yesterday to encourage the players, but you can’t pull the wool over Derby fans eyes and it’s something he needs to learn. I don’t mean this disrespectfully but we aren’t Rotherham and 18,000 fans might listen to your post match interview, at Derby you are going to get 50,000 at least and half of them know what they saw. You have to be truthful and think about how you want to say something because when it comes out wrong then it gets peoples backs up. We didn’t play bad yesterday, but we didn’t play well either and you have to at least admit that we need to play better just to appease those that are coming to home games. 
That’s my thoughts overall, I think the players need to take responsibility ultimately and I think Warne will get there but let’s be honest and say yesterday wasn’t good enough.
 

I think the title sums it up how I think certain fans think. 
No matter what happened, Nigel Clough was never good enough for Derby County. No matter what will happen, Paul Warne will never be seen as good enough for Derby County. 
Clough reset the club after the worst season any of us could imagine, it took time on a limited budget but he lay the path for what Mclaren should have achieved. Warne is the next one trying to build something long term.
Sorry, I just don’t get the entitlement

I think the title sums it up how I think certain fans think. 
No matter what happened, Nigel Clough was never good enough for Derby County. No matter what will happen, Paul Warne will never be seen as good enough for Derby County. 
Clough reset the club after the worst season any of us could imagine, it took time on a limited budget but he lay the path for what Mclaren should have achieved. Warne is the next one trying to build something long term.
Sorry, I just don’t get the entitlement

Wouldn’t trust a badger if they got any bigger tbh

I think the year has been a learning curve for everyone really.
The club thought they were getting something closer to the finished article with Warne and I think underestimated the difference in managing Rotherham and managing Derby County. Not in terms of expectations or even the thought of Derby being the bigger club, but I think it’s fair to assume that at Rotherham he could get away with a lot and do everything how he wanted to do it. The chairman there essentially allowed him to be Paul Warne unfiltered. At Derby, it’s all a bit more intense and everything you do is going to get scrutinised by thousands of fans every single day. It’s a different culture and it’s still taking time to settle into the culture in Derby for Warne. It’s also difficult for those coming in cold to what Derby is like as place, hence why Mac, Simmo and Steele did well and others struggled. You have to embrace being part of a footballing city/county and understand what the club means to the people here. 
Warne is learning he can’t be as stubborn in his approach and just because he likes 3-5-2 it doesn’t mean that’s going to work and you need to be flexible in your approach. He obviously has to bring his league 1 nous into the club but he needs to apply it to the club rather than going for something that doesn’t exactly suit because he likes how it worked at Rotherham. That stubbornness doesn’t mean he’s out of his depth but I think he has, and has admitted to being, naive on a few things and I hope it means he’s going to be more flexible in his approach. 
Also the fans* are still learning about this league and what is the best approach. We need to accept we aren’t going to steamroll every club in this division and sit top of the league after 7 games. This league will always be a slog and there are always going to be a section that think we are too good for this league (news flash, we aren’t), but we need to be reasonable too and the reaction to games like Saturday was far over the top to what was necessary. I get dropping points in the last minute is frustrating, but I really don’t get the Warne out stuff like this is the worst football you’ve seemingly ever watched and you can see no ways it can improve. Quite a bit of what I read was embarrassing to be honest, those posters trying to be negative as they think it’s their character or fit a bit of attention. It makes the forum a hard read to everyone else, culminating in a thread proposing a ‘Paul Warne free day’ coincidentally after we win a cup game and played quite well. Think I can confidently say no one will propose that in the days after a defeat? Also it’s worth considering quite a few things happened this past week that we’re worthy of discussion but barely mentioned or lost within all the threads about Paul Warne. 
I think there’s a section who think Derby County are better than Paul Warne, or that we haven’t quite got what we thought we’d get with Warne in charge. At times this year it has been bad or disappointing, but what I think is important is that there is progress being made steadily in all directions. I think the groundwork has been laid now, a good preseason, hopefully we are shaking off the niggly injuries and finding a pattern of play.  We need to see the team push on now and start producing some dominant performances.
The club have accepted that this is a project, Warne is hopefully learning from mistakes that have been made and I think the fans need to learn to manage their own expectations. We’ve been here before in the championship when we can’t help losing our collective minds when a result doesn’t go our way and put pressure on the players and manager to the point it all falls apart. Maybe some fans need to accept that this is a project too and see what progress is made by January.
*I’m talking mainly about online fans, I think the general mood is a lot more realistic to what we see on Twitter and the more extreme sides on here.

I think Forest did the only thing that was weirdly smart in that they spent a lot of money on players to rebuild very quick, they replaced not only their loans but a bulk of what had got them promoted, did it give them a surivival mindset rather than one to think they had already achieved?
We can say it was an irresponsible approach, when you go out and lay £42 million on MGW, how much has that impacted the inflation on prices this year? We can also say that most of them aren’t very good players and there is a lot of wasted money but the scatter gun approach so far has worked for them. In the short term at least anyway, it’s whether it’ll work long term that’ll be more questionable.
 

I think Forest did the only thing that was weirdly smart in that they spent a lot of money on players to rebuild very quick, they replaced not only their loans but a bulk of what had got them promoted, did it give them a surivival mindset rather than one to think they had already achieved?
We can say it was an irresponsible approach, when you go out and lay £42 million on MGW, how much has that impacted the inflation on prices this year? We can also say that most of them aren’t very good players and there is a lot of wasted money but the scatter gun approach so far has worked for them. In the short term at least anyway, it’s whether it’ll work long term that’ll be more questionable.
 

I think the year has been a learning curve for everyone really.
The club thought they were getting something closer to the finished article with Warne and I think underestimated the difference in managing Rotherham and managing Derby County. Not in terms of expectations or even the thought of Derby being the bigger club, but I think it’s fair to assume that at Rotherham he could get away with a lot and do everything how he wanted to do it. The chairman there essentially allowed him to be Paul Warne unfiltered. At Derby, it’s all a bit more intense and everything you do is going to get scrutinised by thousands of fans every single day. It’s a different culture and it’s still taking time to settle into the culture in Derby for Warne. It’s also difficult for those coming in cold to what Derby is like as place, hence why Mac, Simmo and Steele did well and others struggled. You have to embrace being part of a footballing city/county and understand what the club means to the people here. 
Warne is learning he can’t be as stubborn in his approach and just because he likes 3-5-2 it doesn’t mean that’s going to work and you need to be flexible in your approach. He obviously has to bring his league 1 nous into the club but he needs to apply it to the club rather than going for something that doesn’t exactly suit because he likes how it worked at Rotherham. That stubbornness doesn’t mean he’s out of his depth but I think he has, and has admitted to being, naive on a few things and I hope it means he’s going to be more flexible in his approach. 
Also the fans* are still learning about this league and what is the best approach. We need to accept we aren’t going to steamroll every club in this division and sit top of the league after 7 games. This league will always be a slog and there are always going to be a section that think we are too good for this league (news flash, we aren’t), but we need to be reasonable too and the reaction to games like Saturday was far over the top to what was necessary. I get dropping points in the last minute is frustrating, but I really don’t get the Warne out stuff like this is the worst football you’ve seemingly ever watched and you can see no ways it can improve. Quite a bit of what I read was embarrassing to be honest, those posters trying to be negative as they think it’s their character or fit a bit of attention. It makes the forum a hard read to everyone else, culminating in a thread proposing a ‘Paul Warne free day’ coincidentally after we win a cup game and played quite well. Think I can confidently say no one will propose that in the days after a defeat? Also it’s worth considering quite a few things happened this past week that we’re worthy of discussion but barely mentioned or lost within all the threads about Paul Warne. 
I think there’s a section who think Derby County are better than Paul Warne, or that we haven’t quite got what we thought we’d get with Warne in charge. At times this year it has been bad or disappointing, but what I think is important is that there is progress being made steadily in all directions. I think the groundwork has been laid now, a good preseason, hopefully we are shaking off the niggly injuries and finding a pattern of play.  We need to see the team push on now and start producing some dominant performances.
The club have accepted that this is a project, Warne is hopefully learning from mistakes that have been made and I think the fans need to learn to manage their own expectations. We’ve been here before in the championship when we can’t help losing our collective minds when a result doesn’t go our way and put pressure on the players and manager to the point it all falls apart. Maybe some fans need to accept that this is a project too and see what progress is made by January.
*I’m talking mainly about online fans, I think the general mood is a lot more realistic to what we see on Twitter and the more extreme sides on here.

I think the year has been a learning curve for everyone really.
The club thought they were getting something closer to the finished article with Warne and I think underestimated the difference in managing Rotherham and managing Derby County. Not in terms of expectations or even the thought of Derby being the bigger club, but I think it’s fair to assume that at Rotherham he could get away with a lot and do everything how he wanted to do it. The chairman there essentially allowed him to be Paul Warne unfiltered. At Derby, it’s all a bit more intense and everything you do is going to get scrutinised by thousands of fans every single day. It’s a different culture and it’s still taking time to settle into the culture in Derby for Warne. It’s also difficult for those coming in cold to what Derby is like as place, hence why Mac, Simmo and Steele did well and others struggled. You have to embrace being part of a footballing city/county and understand what the club means to the people here. 
Warne is learning he can’t be as stubborn in his approach and just because he likes 3-5-2 it doesn’t mean that’s going to work and you need to be flexible in your approach. He obviously has to bring his league 1 nous into the club but he needs to apply it to the club rather than going for something that doesn’t exactly suit because he likes how it worked at Rotherham. That stubbornness doesn’t mean he’s out of his depth but I think he has, and has admitted to being, naive on a few things and I hope it means he’s going to be more flexible in his approach. 
Also the fans* are still learning about this league and what is the best approach. We need to accept we aren’t going to steamroll every club in this division and sit top of the league after 7 games. This league will always be a slog and there are always going to be a section that think we are too good for this league (news flash, we aren’t), but we need to be reasonable too and the reaction to games like Saturday was far over the top to what was necessary. I get dropping points in the last minute is frustrating, but I really don’t get the Warne out stuff like this is the worst football you’ve seemingly ever watched and you can see no ways it can improve. Quite a bit of what I read was embarrassing to be honest, those posters trying to be negative as they think it’s their character or fit a bit of attention. It makes the forum a hard read to everyone else, culminating in a thread proposing a ‘Paul Warne free day’ coincidentally after we win a cup game and played quite well. Think I can confidently say no one will propose that in the days after a defeat? Also it’s worth considering quite a few things happened this past week that we’re worthy of discussion but barely mentioned or lost within all the threads about Paul Warne. 
I think there’s a section who think Derby County are better than Paul Warne, or that we haven’t quite got what we thought we’d get with Warne in charge. At times this year it has been bad or disappointing, but what I think is important is that there is progress being made steadily in all directions. I think the groundwork has been laid now, a good preseason, hopefully we are shaking off the niggly injuries and finding a pattern of play.  We need to see the team push on now and start producing some dominant performances.
The club have accepted that this is a project, Warne is hopefully learning from mistakes that have been made and I think the fans need to learn to manage their own expectations. We’ve been here before in the championship when we can’t help losing our collective minds when a result doesn’t go our way and put pressure on the players and manager to the point it all falls apart. Maybe some fans need to accept that this is a project too and see what progress is made by January.
*I’m talking mainly about online fans, I think the general mood is a lot more realistic to what we see on Twitter and the more extreme sides on here.

One of the most balanced and reasoned posts I’ve ever read on here.

I think the year has been a learning curve for everyone really.
The club thought they were getting something closer to the finished article with Warne and I think underestimated the difference in managing Rotherham and managing Derby County. Not in terms of expectations or even the thought of Derby being the bigger club, but I think it’s fair to assume that at Rotherham he could get away with a lot and do everything how he wanted to do it. The chairman there essentially allowed him to be Paul Warne unfiltered. At Derby, it’s all a bit more intense and everything you do is going to get scrutinised by thousands of fans every single day. It’s a different culture and it’s still taking time to settle into the culture in Derby for Warne. It’s also difficult for those coming in cold to what Derby is like as place, hence why Mac, Simmo and Steele did well and others struggled. You have to embrace being part of a footballing city/county and understand what the club means to the people here. 
Warne is learning he can’t be as stubborn in his approach and just because he likes 3-5-2 it doesn’t mean that’s going to work and you need to be flexible in your approach. He obviously has to bring his league 1 nous into the club but he needs to apply it to the club rather than going for something that doesn’t exactly suit because he likes how it worked at Rotherham. That stubbornness doesn’t mean he’s out of his depth but I think he has, and has admitted to being, naive on a few things and I hope it means he’s going to be more flexible in his approach. 
Also the fans* are still learning about this league and what is the best approach. We need to accept we aren’t going to steamroll every club in this division and sit top of the league after 7 games. This league will always be a slog and there are always going to be a section that think we are too good for this league (news flash, we aren’t), but we need to be reasonable too and the reaction to games like Saturday was far over the top to what was necessary. I get dropping points in the last minute is frustrating, but I really don’t get the Warne out stuff like this is the worst football you’ve seemingly ever watched and you can see no ways it can improve. Quite a bit of what I read was embarrassing to be honest, those posters trying to be negative as they think it’s their character or fit a bit of attention. It makes the forum a hard read to everyone else, culminating in a thread proposing a ‘Paul Warne free day’ coincidentally after we win a cup game and played quite well. Think I can confidently say no one will propose that in the days after a defeat? Also it’s worth considering quite a few things happened this past week that we’re worthy of discussion but barely mentioned or lost within all the threads about Paul Warne. 
I think there’s a section who think Derby County are better than Paul Warne, or that we haven’t quite got what we thought we’d get with Warne in charge. At times this year it has been bad or disappointing, but what I think is important is that there is progress being made steadily in all directions. I think the groundwork has been laid now, a good preseason, hopefully we are shaking off the niggly injuries and finding a pattern of play.  We need to see the team push on now and start producing some dominant performances.
The club have accepted that this is a project, Warne is hopefully learning from mistakes that have been made and I think the fans need to learn to manage their own expectations. We’ve been here before in the championship when we can’t help losing our collective minds when a result doesn’t go our way and put pressure on the players and manager to the point it all falls apart. Maybe some fans need to accept that this is a project too and see what progress is made by January.
*I’m talking mainly about online fans, I think the general mood is a lot more realistic to what we see on Twitter and the more extreme sides on here.

I think the year has been a learning curve for everyone really.
The club thought they were getting something closer to the finished article with Warne and I think underestimated the difference in managing Rotherham and managing Derby County. Not in terms of expectations or even the thought of Derby being the bigger club, but I think it’s fair to assume that at Rotherham he could get away with a lot and do everything how he wanted to do it. The chairman there essentially allowed him to be Paul Warne unfiltered. At Derby, it’s all a bit more intense and everything you do is going to get scrutinised by thousands of fans every single day. It’s a different culture and it’s still taking time to settle into the culture in Derby for Warne. It’s also difficult for those coming in cold to what Derby is like as place, hence why Mac, Simmo and Steele did well and others struggled. You have to embrace being part of a footballing city/county and understand what the club means to the people here. 
Warne is learning he can’t be as stubborn in his approach and just because he likes 3-5-2 it doesn’t mean that’s going to work and you need to be flexible in your approach. He obviously has to bring his league 1 nous into the club but he needs to apply it to the club rather than going for something that doesn’t exactly suit because he likes how it worked at Rotherham. That stubbornness doesn’t mean he’s out of his depth but I think he has, and has admitted to being, naive on a few things and I hope it means he’s going to be more flexible in his approach. 
Also the fans* are still learning about this league and what is the best approach. We need to accept we aren’t going to steamroll every club in this division and sit top of the league after 7 games. This league will always be a slog and there are always going to be a section that think we are too good for this league (news flash, we aren’t), but we need to be reasonable too and the reaction to games like Saturday was far over the top to what was necessary. I get dropping points in the last minute is frustrating, but I really don’t get the Warne out stuff like this is the worst football you’ve seemingly ever watched and you can see no ways it can improve. Quite a bit of what I read was embarrassing to be honest, those posters trying to be negative as they think it’s their character or fit a bit of attention. It makes the forum a hard read to everyone else, culminating in a thread proposing a ‘Paul Warne free day’ coincidentally after we win a cup game and played quite well. Think I can confidently say no one will propose that in the days after a defeat? Also it’s worth considering quite a few things happened this past week that we’re worthy of discussion but barely mentioned or lost within all the threads about Paul Warne. 
I think there’s a section who think Derby County are better than Paul Warne, or that we haven’t quite got what we thought we’d get with Warne in charge. At times this year it has been bad or disappointing, but what I think is important is that there is progress being made steadily in all directions. I think the groundwork has been laid now, a good preseason, hopefully we are shaking off the niggly injuries and finding a pattern of play.  We need to see the team push on now and start producing some dominant performances.
The club have accepted that this is a project, Warne is hopefully learning from mistakes that have been made and I think the fans need to learn to manage their own expectations. We’ve been here before in the championship when we can’t help losing our collective minds when a result doesn’t go our way and put pressure on the players and manager to the point it all falls apart. Maybe some fans need to accept that this is a project too and see what progress is made by January.
*I’m talking mainly about online fans, I think the general mood is a lot more realistic to what we see on Twitter and the more extreme sides on here.

I think the year has been a learning curve for everyone really.
The club thought they were getting something closer to the finished article with Warne and I think underestimated the difference in managing Rotherham and managing Derby County. Not in terms of expectations or even the thought of Derby being the bigger club, but I think it’s fair to assume that at Rotherham he could get away with a lot and do everything how he wanted to do it. The chairman there essentially allowed him to be Paul Warne unfiltered. At Derby, it’s all a bit more intense and everything you do is going to get scrutinised by thousands of fans every single day. It’s a different culture and it’s still taking time to settle into the culture in Derby for Warne. It’s also difficult for those coming in cold to what Derby is like as place, hence why Mac, Simmo and Steele did well and others struggled. You have to embrace being part of a footballing city/county and understand what the club means to the people here. 
Warne is learning he can’t be as stubborn in his approach and just because he likes 3-5-2 it doesn’t mean that’s going to work and you need to be flexible in your approach. He obviously has to bring his league 1 nous into the club but he needs to apply it to the club rather than going for something that doesn’t exactly suit because he likes how it worked at Rotherham. That stubbornness doesn’t mean he’s out of his depth but I think he has, and has admitted to being, naive on a few things and I hope it means he’s going to be more flexible in his approach. 
Also the fans* are still learning about this league and what is the best approach. We need to accept we aren’t going to steamroll every club in this division and sit top of the league after 7 games. This league will always be a slog and there are always going to be a section that think we are too good for this league (news flash, we aren’t), but we need to be reasonable too and the reaction to games like Saturday was far over the top to what was necessary. I get dropping points in the last minute is frustrating, but I really don’t get the Warne out stuff like this is the worst football you’ve seemingly ever watched and you can see no ways it can improve. Quite a bit of what I read was embarrassing to be honest, those posters trying to be negative as they think it’s their character or fit a bit of attention. It makes the forum a hard read to everyone else, culminating in a thread proposing a ‘Paul Warne free day’ coincidentally after we win a cup game and played quite well. Think I can confidently say no one will propose that in the days after a defeat? Also it’s worth considering quite a few things happened this past week that we’re worthy of discussion but barely mentioned or lost within all the threads about Paul Warne. 
I think there’s a section who think Derby County are better than Paul Warne, or that we haven’t quite got what we thought we’d get with Warne in charge. At times this year it has been bad or disappointing, but what I think is important is that there is progress being made steadily in all directions. I think the groundwork has been laid now, a good preseason, hopefully we are shaking off the niggly injuries and finding a pattern of play.  We need to see the team push on now and start producing some dominant performances.
The club have accepted that this is a project, Warne is hopefully learning from mistakes that have been made and I think the fans need to learn to manage their own expectations. We’ve been here before in the championship when we can’t help losing our collective minds when a result doesn’t go our way and put pressure on the players and manager to the point it all falls apart. Maybe some fans need to accept that this is a project too and see what progress is made by January.
*I’m talking mainly about online fans, I think the general mood is a lot more realistic to what we see on Twitter and the more extreme sides on here.

I think the year has been a learning curve for everyone really.
The club thought they were getting something closer to the finished article with Warne and I think underestimated the difference in managing Rotherham and managing Derby County. Not in terms of expectations or even the thought of Derby being the bigger club, but I think it’s fair to assume that at Rotherham he could get away with a lot and do everything how he wanted to do it. The chairman there essentially allowed him to be Paul Warne unfiltered. At Derby, it’s all a bit more intense and everything you do is going to get scrutinised by thousands of fans every single day. It’s a different culture and it’s still taking time to settle into the culture in Derby for Warne. It’s also difficult for those coming in cold to what Derby is like as place, hence why Mac, Simmo and Steele did well and others struggled. You have to embrace being part of a footballing city/county and understand what the club means to the people here. 
Warne is learning he can’t be as stubborn in his approach and just because he likes 3-5-2 it doesn’t mean that’s going to work and you need to be flexible in your approach. He obviously has to bring his league 1 nous into the club but he needs to apply it to the club rather than going for something that doesn’t exactly suit because he likes how it worked at Rotherham. That stubbornness doesn’t mean he’s out of his depth but I think he has, and has admitted to being, naive on a few things and I hope it means he’s going to be more flexible in his approach. 
Also the fans* are still learning about this league and what is the best approach. We need to accept we aren’t going to steamroll every club in this division and sit top of the league after 7 games. This league will always be a slog and there are always going to be a section that think we are too good for this league (news flash, we aren’t), but we need to be reasonable too and the reaction to games like Saturday was far over the top to what was necessary. I get dropping points in the last minute is frustrating, but I really don’t get the Warne out stuff like this is the worst football you’ve seemingly ever watched and you can see no ways it can improve. Quite a bit of what I read was embarrassing to be honest, those posters trying to be negative as they think it’s their character or fit a bit of attention. It makes the forum a hard read to everyone else, culminating in a thread proposing a ‘Paul Warne free day’ coincidentally after we win a cup game and played quite well. Think I can confidently say no one will propose that in the days after a defeat? Also it’s worth considering quite a few things happened this past week that we’re worthy of discussion but barely mentioned or lost within all the threads about Paul Warne. 
I think there’s a section who think Derby County are better than Paul Warne, or that we haven’t quite got what we thought we’d get with Warne in charge. At times this year it has been bad or disappointing, but what I think is important is that there is progress being made steadily in all directions. I think the groundwork has been laid now, a good preseason, hopefully we are shaking off the niggly injuries and finding a pattern of play.  We need to see the team push on now and start producing some dominant performances.
The club have accepted that this is a project, Warne is hopefully learning from mistakes that have been made and I think the fans need to learn to manage their own expectations. We’ve been here before in the championship when we can’t help losing our collective minds when a result doesn’t go our way and put pressure on the players and manager to the point it all falls apart. Maybe some fans need to accept that this is a project too and see what progress is made by January.
*I’m talking mainly about online fans, I think the general mood is a lot more realistic to what we see on Twitter and the more extreme sides on here.

Think this thread really shows up the over reaction on Saturday. Great work @Curtains!

Man fails to beat team on 15 game unbeaten run, sack him now.
Balance required.

Think this thread really shows up the over reaction on Saturday. Great work @Curtains!