Defending lead

[AutoWindscreens]

1 hour ago, On the Ram Page said:

OK - that's quite acceptable!

Well, depends where in the world sage is and what else he was doing at the time. That post was posted c9am UK time, so let's hope he hadn't just finished the school run 🙃

[Brammie Steve]

From what I can gather the port, vale goalkeeper, played the game of his life

with the number of shots on target we might have scored a bucket full!

The fact remains that we won and got a valuable three points from a boring game!

What’s not to like about that?

[sage]

32 minutes ago, AutoWindscreens said:

Well, depends where in the world sage is and what else he was doing at the time. That post was posted c9am UK time, so let's hope he hadn't just finished the school run 🙃

7 hours ahead 

[Foreveram]

5 minutes ago, sage said:

7 hours ahead 

1 degree here mate 🥶

[sage]

9 minutes ago, Foreveram said:

1 degree here mate 🥶

Dropped to 26c here now the sun has gone down 

[i-Ram]

Just now, sage said:

Dropped to 26c here now the sun has gone down 

Isn’t there a ping pong ball game you can take part in over there?  Don’t tell me you didn’t take your bat.

[Mucker1884]

Is there a team out there that can remain on the front foot for the entire 90+ minutes?

It's human nature to try even harder after going one goal down, so the oppo is gonna come at us after we take the lead.  It doesn't mean we are consciously/deliberately "going defensive".  That's not the same as "Being forced to defend, due to the oppos determination".

Credit the oppo for not giving up (And hope we nick another on the break!).

 

"Nearly conceding a goal" doesn't affect the scoreline, so that should be a moot point in this particular discussion.

[sage]

41 minutes ago, i-Ram said:

Isn’t there a ping pong ball game you can take part in over there?  Don’t tell me you didn’t take your bat.

It was good till the mixed doubles started.

[sage]

5 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

 

 

"Nearly conceding a goal" doesn't affect the scoreline, so that should be a moot point in this particular discussion.

Why?

[angieram]

It's an eternal debate - the McClaren approach versus the Clough Jr approach.

I'm McClaren through and through, but I think Warne might be more Cloughie! 

[Mucker1884]

2 minutes ago, sage said:

Why?

You asked "Are we over defending".
I took that to mean "Defending too much".
I would describe "Defending too much"... with the emphasis on "too"... to infer that we failed.  Failed to keep a clean sheet.  Failed to retain a lead.  Failed to keep hold of a point.  Etc.

I would argue therefore that, if we don't concede, we weren't defending "Too much".
Whether we are clinging on by our finger nails, or offering up a defensive masterclass, we would have defended adequately if we didn't concede.

 

I'm a simple soul, admittedly.  

🐏

[Returning ram]

9 minutes ago, angieram said:

It's an eternal debate - the McClaren approach versus the Clough Jr approach.

I'm McClaren through and through, but I think Warne might be more Cloughie! 

SM failed though, BD used to protect leads and it got us promoted, yet people would still prefer the former.

Personally I enjoy all types of football, always find it intriguing how managers adapt to certain situations. I was amazed at how the Crazy Gang got so much success from a certain brand of football, Althetico Madrid mirror this to a certain extent.
 

The best managers appear to be ones with hindsight though, they always seem to know the best tactics that should have been deployed.

[sage]

18 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

You asked "Are we over defending".
I took that to mean "Defending too much".
I would describe "Defending too much"... with the emphasis on "too"... to infer that we failed.  Failed to keep a clean sheet.  Failed to retain a lead.  Failed to keep hold of a point.  Etc.

I would argue therefore that, if we don't concede, we weren't defending "Too much".
Whether we are clinging on by our finger nails, or offering up a defensive masterclass, we would have defended adequately if we didn't concede.

 

I'm a simple soul, admittedly.  

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Glad we agree 😄

[Archied]

10 hours ago, sage said:

No one put him in the barrel. It's just one of many options. 

You could try offering an opinion perhaps 

Just joking really🤷🏻‍♂️

[DavesaRam]

I would agree that when a team goes behind the may well up there effort to try and get the equaliser, but that doesn't mean that we will. Many times Derby have one 1 - 0 up by being the better team, and then rather than keep on playing in the manner that gave us the upper hand, bringing on another defender sends out the wrong message, and compromises the team's ability to maintain the upper hand. On Tuesday, we had a load of shots on target, but how many did Port Vale have? One, possibly two. They aren't hot on goalscoring, so should we suddenly get scared that they might start rattling goals in for fun?

On top of this, we have played several teams who have put a load of goals away, yet against us they have hardly posed any threat at all. Which means that we are restricting them to very little opportunity. Now I am not proposing a gung-ho approach of piling player forwards to get the second, just that we keep on doing what we are good at, and what has got us in the lead in the first place. If we really are getting over-run, then yes make the necessary changes, but don't do it if it is not needed.

[europia]

10 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

If you're resigned to losing Cashin in January you'd better get used to the idea of Bradley playing more.

That's my concern, and I'm really hoping that Warne has a plan (other than Bradley) should Cashin be on his way. 

[derbydaz22]

On 01/12/2023 at 10:46, eddy779h34 said:

Nice point to raise before it costs us 

I think that bolstering midfield is more effective than the defence 

I never understand why crowding the defence with extra numbers works. I say stop the ball at source which is really midfield. keep the back four and crowd the middle of the pitch may work better ?

100% bolster the midfield and make them go long but I know it’s not always as simple as that.

[Comrade 86]

11 hours ago, Stockport Ram said:

My son and I were gobsmacked when they picked their keeper as their MOTM (sorry, “P”OTM).

We both laughed out loud and concurred that if his was their best performance then the other 10 must have been pretty crap ! 

The 2nd half NML and Fornah deflection saves? I’d have said clearly the keeper’s fault if either had gone in - and we were right behind the centre of the goal about 4 rows back. 

Keeper distribution generally can’t lose you a game (although it can win you them), but his distribution was absolutely shocking too.

I thought he had a good game. He was really the player who was key to restricting us to just the one goal. Had no chance with the TJJ effort, but got hands on everything else that came his way and in fairness, the distribution of keepers in L1 in general is pretty awful. The save on the deflected effort was top drawer and we'd have been gushing if that was Joe making it.