Bristol Rovers (A) Sat 15th April

[May Contain Nuts]

1 minute ago, Jubbs said:

Also, the away games we didn't score any goals:

Charlton - Won the home game 2-0.
Shrewsbury - Drew 2-2.
Fleetwood - Lost 0-2.
Lincoln - Drew 1-1, against 10 men.

So it's not as if Warne has a great record against those teams either. The only teams that Warne has beaten that Rosenior didn't are Oxford and Charlton.
We lost to Mansfield, Barnsley, Peterborough and Wycombe, yet Rosenior beat all 4.

Yeah, we didn't score away against teams who have gone on mostly (as in, not Charlton) to have very good defensive records, without a fully fit McGoldrick who's basically been a one-man show in many of our victories since.

A slight correction though Derby 1-0 Oxford, first game of the season!

But enough of this, we'll be accused of pining for Rosenior when that's really not the case.

[Jubbs]

16 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

A slight correction though Derby 1-0 Oxford, first game of the season!

 

Yeah noticed it straight away and changed! 

[MadAmster]

On 16/04/2023 at 12:06, Curtains said:

So after all that we will still make the playoffs.

Too much negativity on here at moment 

I think some are absolutely positive we won't 😉

[Curtains]

12 minutes ago, MadAmster said:

I think some are absolutely positive we won't 😉

No way in my eyes will Posh beat Ipswich and Barnsley.  So that gives us a chance. 

[TuffLuff]

16 minutes ago, Curtains said:

No way in my eyes will Posh beat Ipswich and Barnsley.  So that gives us a chance. 

I know this is maybe stretching the positives too much but considering the season we’ve had and the last run of games Id rather be chasing than sitting in the play offs. We now have four cup games, style and everything else is going out of the window and it’s about winning games  to get in to the play offs. Then we have two more cup semi-finals and potentially a final that we have to scratch and claw to have any hope of winning. It’s better having that mentality now than trying to find it in a few games time

[TuffLuff]

I think the one big positive to come out of Saturday is Barkhuizen’s assist, especially as I made a point about our attacking players needing to contribute more after MK Dons and so that’s something for him to build on. If he does that a few more times then we get to the play offs no problem. Need TB and the rest to be more clinical in the upcoming games and not rely on McGoldrick

[Ram-Alf]

1 hour ago, Kokosnuss said:

I understand your point, 

1. However if you insist... Rosenior was/is an inexperienced manager and as such you should expect that there will be more difficulties encountered while he learns the ropes and gets accustomed to the role. You would expect less of those problems to occur with an experienced League One manager with a history of success at the helm.

2. Rosenior's Hull (a middling to poor Championship squad all-told) have had away games since he took over where they've scored 4 goals (x2), 3 goals (x1), 1 goal (x4) so there's evidence that his teams can score goals away from home and no reason to think that we'd have continued to draw blanks against some really s*** League One defences, with the quality we possess in the team.

3. As much as you exaggerate Rosenior's football (dour, ponderous) it got results on a par with what we've seen under Warne, and the poor performances under Warne have been as bad if not worse (in their own way) than any we saw at the start of the season. 

4.It remains comical to me how many people are willing to give out excuses to the experienced manager they wouldn't have been willing to give out to the inexperienced one. That said, you won't find any posts where I've said that Rosenior should have been kept on.

And yes, we do have to be patient - you also won't find a single post where I've said we should get rid of Warne!

No not insisting but I'll play.

1. I would expect a more experienced Manager...who's bought in his own players to do a better job.

2. This middling to poor Hull side have better players who could adapt to LRs play by the looks of it

3. A game of football is as good as an Indian meal where opinions are concerned, My exaggeration is based on my opinion as I did this...imo

4. No excuses from me, PW has found by the looks of it difficult to motivate or find that elusive square peg in round hole syndrome 

[May Contain Nuts]

41 minutes ago, TuffLuff said:

I think the one big positive to come out of Saturday is Barkhuizen’s assist, especially as I made a point about our attacking players needing to contribute more after MK Dons and so that’s something for him to build on. If he does that a few more times then we get to the play offs no problem. Need TB and the rest to be more clinical in the upcoming games and not rely on McGoldrick

That of course relies on him being given ample opportunity to build on the assist. His previous assists (x2) were in the home game against Bolton after he'd scored 3 goals in his previous 2 games. Following Bolton he was given a start against Port Vale (away) and one against West Ham (we/he stood no chance really) before dropping to the bench for the following 3 games and he's not really had a great deal opportunity (I'm not saying NO opportunity) to do much since.

 

No position = an appearance off the bench.

Edited April 17, 2023 by Kokosnuss

[HorsforthRam]

 

[RoyMac5]

2 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

That of course relies on him being given ample opportunity to build on the assist. His previous assists (x2) were in the home game against Bolton after he'd scored 3 goals in his previous 2 games. Following Bolton he was given a start against Port Vale (away) and one against West Ham (we/he stood no chance really) before dropping to the bench for the following 3 games and he's not really had a great deal opportunity (I'm not saying NO opportunity) to do much since.

 

 

 

 

 

This was one of those 'inexplicable' decisions. Barks looked on fire.

[RoyMac5]

2 minutes ago, HorsforthRam said:

 

And? The best you can say for White is he was naïve. There was a collision in the box, sometimes you get a penalty sometimes you don't. Warne should have been more worried about the awful defending that gave them four or five unbelievable chances, how did they miss them?!

[Ram-Alf]

5 minutes ago, HorsforthRam said:

 

Oh my life, Where is the tool who gave the penalty, Not even in the picture, Cheated is a long way off, Total incompetence by him I'd have said.

PW will be getting an invite to explain his "cheated" comment to whoever gives out fines...they'll back the ref no doubt 😡 

[May Contain Nuts]

32 minutes ago, The Last Post said:

No not insisting but I'll play.

1. I would expect a more experienced Manager...who's bought in his own players to do a better job.

2. This middling to poor Hull side have better players who could adapt to LRs play by the looks of it

3. A game of football is as good as an Indian meal where opinions are concerned, My exaggeration is based on my opinion as I did this...imo

4. No excuses from me, PW has found by the looks of it difficult to motivate or find that elusive square peg in round hole syndrome 

 

1. It's not just a more experienced manager it's a 'promotion expert' who 'knows the division like the back of his hand'. If the only solution offered is to fill the squad with the type of player he got promoted with at Rotherham but was so haplessly relegated with two (I'd say three but one wasn't his squad) times then we might as well give up on staying up now. We'll never progress beyond that with him in charge. I hope for growth from him, I'm still waiting for some signs of it though.

I'm not sure how viable it is these days but historically a team struggling at the bottom end of a league may have appointed a 'survival specialist' who they hope will have an immediate effect, these rarely have the luxury of choosing their own players but they're still expected to get more out of a struggling squad than who they're replacing.

2. Impossible to argue really, that's just a guess. Maybe an educated though as you'd expect Championship players to be better at 'football'... so a fair point. They are facing tougher opposition than we are though, let's not delude ourselves that all of our opponents have been agricultural bully-boys befitting the stereotype associated with League One, those teams have been few and far between.

3. I agree, but that's where the limited results data comes in. The complaint that we were 'only getting worse' under Rosenior often neglected to consider that we were a small squad a couple of weeks behind and played a lot of games in a short space of time. Fatigue wasn't considered when it came to justifying Rosenior's exit, but it's now the ultimate excuse for every point lost.

4. Good. You're not really the sort of poster I had in mind tbh Alf 👍

Edited April 17, 2023 by Kokosnuss

[RoyMac5]

2 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

1. It's not just a more experienced manager it's a 'promotion expert' who 'knows the division like the back of his hand'. If the only solution offered is to fill the squad with the type of player he got promoted with at Rotherham but was so hopelessly relegated with two (I'd say three but one wasn't his squad) times then we might as well give up on staying up now. We'll never progress beyond that with him in charge,

Not just the squad, as if not more worrying, the Academy as well?

[Caerphilly Ram]

2 hours ago, Crewton said:

 

 

 

This angle backs up that it was a soft penalty decision for me. Doesn’t take away from the poor performance overall but without that call it’s likely we come away from that game with 3 points, so doubly frustrating. 

[May Contain Nuts]

11 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Not just the squad, as if not more worrying, the Academy as well?

I'm holding fire on that one tbh, as per my posts on the academy thread itself. That depends on what the manager and the owner have discussed between them.

[HorsforthRam]

26 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

And? The best you can say for White is he was naïve. There was a collision in the box, sometimes you get a penalty sometimes you don't. Warne should have been more worried about the awful defending that gave them four or five unbelievable chances, how did they miss them?!

And? Seriously? White wasn’t naive. He didn’t initiate the contact. Their player clearly pushes him to the ground and goes over just after. 

[RoyMac5]

2 minutes ago, HorsforthRam said:

And? Seriously? White wasn’t naive. He didn’t initiate the contact. Their player clearly pushes him to the ground and goes over just after. 

https://twitter.com/dcfc_live/status/1647939688357851137

"I left Harvey on Saturday, but I texted him on Sunday to say 'How are you?'

"He said 'Alright gaffer, what do you think I should have done differently?' I sent him the video I have of my angle. It shows he could have maybe got in a position quicker, even though I don't think it's a penalty..."

[MadAmster]

1 hour ago, Curtains said:

No way in my eyes will Posh beat Ipswich and Barnsley.  So that gives us a chance. 

Win the next 3 and we end up ahead of Posh. Won't be easy though. Exeter have a good home record despite losing their last 2 home games, both 1-0, to Plymouth and Bolton. Burton have hit form and we're the scalp they always want. Pompey at home is, on paper a game we should win and they are probably out of the picture now. Conversely that could see them relax and play some great stuff. We end the League season at Wendy and that won't be easy either. 

COYR!!

[MadAmster]

Question? Did we, in general, and JW, in particular, create the amount of extra time that saw the game still being played when they got the penalty? I think we probably did.

Personally, I think it might be justice. We've complained at other team's "sh1thousery" all season. Was the penalty Karma for us utilising sh1thousery ourselves?