This is why the EFL are gunning for Mel

[RoyMac5]

9 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

You say ‘the whole thing’. But surely there are a few things going on - some clubs out to get us,  the EFl itself being tired of Mel’s sniping, and our aggressive accounting  

Yes, we should just settle quietly for staying in the Championship. 

[May Contain Nuts]

17 hours ago, i-Ram said:

But by their subsequent actions and comments they have found themselves in a face saving position where they are desperately trying to hold on to their last strands of integrity, whilst also being bullied by a number of member club vested interests which means this process has effectively spun out of their control. I tell you, they must want this to end as much as we do.

If they wanted it to end just as much as we do, they wouldn't have appealed the original panel's decision, or they'd accept that the 100k fine is enough.

They would say that they accept the panel's decision and although it isn't the outcome they desired they see it as the end of the matter and are satisfied that they took reasonable steps to ensure a suitable punishment was handed out.

It's their league, they don't really answer to anyone and they can run it how they see fit, and even if many of the problems they face are a result of their own incompetence they've shown that they will do everything in their power to disguise their own faults (rather than address them) by aggressively going after their member clubs to enact extremely OTT punishments that don't fairly match the discretions at hand, punishments which threaten the very existence of clubs and cause untold misery to supporters of the club and distress to staff at all levels.

Paradoxically their current display of flexing their muscles to prove their power to everyone is completely undermined by them cowering to the demands of a handful of bitter (and in Boro's case) hypocritical member clubs. 

With this attitude fully ingrained in the organisation and with so much process designed in their favour, why are they so scared of the threat of being sued by Boro, Barnsley & Wycombe?

All these legal threats from other clubs are just that, threats, posturing.

We have Derby fans saying that we should de-escalate the situation and accept whatever poo is thrown our way rather than aggressively defending our position. They say we're making an enemy of the EFL and being treated accordingly, out fault for poking the bear 

Ultimately though we're only fighting an internal process, can you imagine how vindictively the league would carry out their processes against us if we were actually trying to sue them?

Nobody is going to sue the EFL, it's not worth the treatment, the harassment, of their club that would follow. 

 

 

 

A bit more, but it's going a little too far into the conspiratory view of things...

As alluded to earlier, the EFL, or specifically Rick Parry, seems to be scared whitless by the threats of one Steve Gibson, you have to wonder why exactly this is, what hold does Gibson have over Parry?

Well, a bit of reading...

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-efl-chairman-rick-parry-16977927

There's a more than grotty whiff of Parry wanting to making amends with Gibson about the whole thing. 

Make no mistake this is about far more than Derby County bending some unwritten rule on amortisation.

Edited June 29, 2021 by Coconut

[Dean (hick) Saunders]

31 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

Yes, we should just settle quietly for staying in the Championship. 

(And seeing the occasional glimpse of good footy)

[Ghost of Clough]

14 hours ago, irobinson said:

Yeah but Leeds and Villa got up With a proper strategy 

 

where were we with MM?

 

established prem teams now  

 

 

 

 

 

Both would have drastically failed P&S if they had stayed down for 1 more season. Fine margins

[RoyMac5]

52 minutes ago, Coconut said:

Well, a bit of reading...

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-efl-chairman-rick-parry-16977927

There's a more than grotty whiff of Parry wanting to making amends with Gibson about the whole thing. 

Make no mistake this is about far more than Derby County bending some unwritten rule on amortisation.

When you read through Gibson and Boro's 'run-ins' with the EFL you realise it's not just us that have to put up with their bureaucratic inadequacies. But it does make you wonder why Gibson is gunning for us rather than the EFL/Parry!

[i-Ram]

54 minutes ago, Coconut said:

If they wanted it to end just as much as we do, they wouldn't have appealed the original panel's decision, or they'd accept that the 100k fine is enough.

They would say that they accept the panel's decision and although it isn't the outcome they desired they see it as the end of the matter and are satisfied that they took reasonable steps to ensure a suitable punishment was handed out.

It's their league, they don't really answer to anyone and they can run it how they see fit, and even if many of the problems they face are a result of their own incompetence they've shown that they will do everything in their power to disguise their own faults (rather than address them) by aggressively going after their member clubs to enact extremely OTT punishments that don't fairly match the discretions at hand, punishments which threaten the very existence of clubs and cause untold misery to supporters of the club and distress to staff at all levels.

Paradoxically their current display of flexing their muscles to prove their power to everyone is completely undermined by them cowering to the demands of a handful of bitter (and in Boro's case) hypocritical member clubs. 

With this attitude fully ingrained in the organisation and with so much process designed in their favour, why are they so scared of the threat of being sued by Boro, Barnsley & Wycombe?

All these legal threats from other clubs are just that, threats, posturing.

We have Derby fans saying that we should de-escalate the situation and accept whatever poo is thrown our way rather than aggressively defending our position. They say we're making an enemy of the EFL and being treated accordingly, out fault for poking the bear 

Ultimately though we're only fighting an internal process, can you imagine how vindictively the league would carry out their processes against us if we were actually trying to sue them?

Nobody is going to sue the EFL, it's not worth the treatment, the harassment, of their club that would follow. 

 

 

 

A bit more, but it's going a little too far into the conspiratory view of things...

As alluded to earlier, the EFL, or specifically Rick Parry, seems to be scared whitless by the threats of one Steve Gibson, you have to wonder why exactly this is, what hold does Gibson have over Parry?

Well, a bit of reading...

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-efl-chairman-rick-parry-16977927

There's a more than grotty whiff of Parry wanting to making amends with Gibson about the whole thing. 

Make no mistake this is about far more than Derby County bending some unwritten rule on amortisation.

I had forgot the Boro point deduction but I doubt that has much to do with this situation, Other than Gibson might still have daggers for Parry.

As for the threat to the EFL of being sued, both of us can speculate on that, but fwiw I don’t think it is as unlikely as you think. Indeed it is always possible Mel Morris is lining that up as his coup de grace. We really have no idea what is going on behind closed doors. This case has ballooned out of all proportion, and ultimately I suspect, along with the implications from Covid, it will bring about a huge reorganisational change by the member 72 clubs. The EFL is ducked.

[May Contain Nuts]

17 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

When you read through Gibson and Boro's 'run-ins' with the EFL you realise it's not just us that have to put up with their bureaucratic inadequacies. But it does make you wonder why Gibson is gunning for us rather than the EFL/Parry!

The stuff mentioned in the link has nothing to do with the EFL? Their run-ins mentioned on the link were specifically with Liverpool and the Premier League. 

Gibson's gunning for everyone, I think, it seems to just be the way he is. He's killing two birds with one stone here, or attempting to.

 

Edited June 29, 2021 by Coconut

[RadioactiveWaste]

2 minutes ago, Coconut said:

The stuff mentioned in the link has nothing to do with the EFL? Their run-ins mentioned on the link were specifically with Liverpool and the Premier League.

Gibson's gunning for everyone, I think, seems to just be the way he is 

He can't compete in the modern game as he once did and he's bitter about it. Spaffing his parachute payments on Tony pulis seems to have had a bad effect on him.

Middlesbrough used to be a middling prem team and these days are championship through and through.

[RoyMac5]

6 minutes ago, Coconut said:

The stuff mentioned in the link has nothing to do with the EFL? Their run-ins mentioned on the link were specifically with Liverpool and the Premier League.

Gibson's gunning for everyone, I think, seems to just be the way he is 

From the newspaper piece above, 25 Sept 2019:

"And Parry knows that Steve Gibson is not making idle threats. He was the Premier League chief during the 'three points' saga and then in the high stakes replay when Boro brought in George Carman QC to represent them in the appeal.

Boro lost the case and it still rankles within the club...

After switching to a role as Liverpool chief executive Parry faced another legal broadside from Boro over the contract-busting capture of Christian Ziege.

Boro took action over the engineered exit of a key player after a secret release clause was triggered in August 2000."

Edited June 29, 2021 by RoyMac5

[RadioactiveWaste]

2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

From the newspaper piece above, 25 Sept 2019:

"And Parry knows that Steve Gibson is not making idle threats. He was the Premier League chief during the 'three points' saga and then in the high stakes replay when Boro brought in George Carman QC to represent them in the appeal.

Boro lost the case and it still rankles within the club...

After switching to a role as Liverpool chief executive Parry faced another legal broadside from Boro over the contract-busting capture of Christian Ziege.

Boro took action over the engineered exit of a key player after a secret release clause was triggered in August 2000."

So, he just loves losing his legal battles?

[Sparkle]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Both would have drastically failed P&S if they had stayed down for 1 more season. Fine margins

Possibly so and I know that they are both in the premiership now and are likely to stay there (because the promoted teams will be rather naff) so why doesn’t the EFL charge them now and start the process and if a sanction is merited it can sit and wait for their arrival at a future date?

[Spanish]

 

1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Both would have drastically failed P&S if they had stayed down for 1 more season. Fine margins

but like us they would have put in their March P&S summary, get a soft embargo and agree with EFL what they would do to resolve the problem by June.  We sold PP.  Whether or not they had the assets to sell to get them within the limit, I don't know and it is a little worthless now but maybe.  This is why the way around the rules is to push very hard in one year and if it fails the result is a very quiet 2 year spell.   P&S is dead in the water post Brexit but we may miss out by a year and as a consequence be royally ducked.  So unfair

[Brammie Steve]

Maybe we should just keep quiet, 

accept the status quo. (things as they are, not the Group!)

Never express an opinion for fear of upsetting anyone!

 

After all, it worked for us with Cloughie in charge!

[Ken Tram]

10 hours ago, Coconut said:

If they wanted it to end just as much as we do, they wouldn't have appealed the original panel's decision, or they'd accept that the 100k fine is enough.

They would say that they accept the panel's decision and although it isn't the outcome they desired they see it as the end of the matter and are satisfied that they took reasonable steps to ensure a suitable punishment was handed out.

It's their league, they don't really answer to anyone and they can run it how they see fit, and even if many of the problems they face are a result of their own incompetence they've shown that they will do everything in their power to disguise their own faults (rather than address them) by aggressively going after their member clubs to enact extremely OTT punishments that don't fairly match the discretions at hand, punishments which threaten the very existence of clubs and cause untold misery to supporters of the club and distress to staff at all levels.

Paradoxically their current display of flexing their muscles to prove their power to everyone is completely undermined by them cowering to the demands of a handful of bitter (and in Boro's case) hypocritical member clubs. 

With this attitude fully ingrained in the organisation and with so much process designed in their favour, why are they so scared of the threat of being sued by Boro, Barnsley & Wycombe?

All these legal threats from other clubs are just that, threats, posturing.

We have Derby fans saying that we should de-escalate the situation and accept whatever poo is thrown our way rather than aggressively defending our position. They say we're making an enemy of the EFL and being treated accordingly, out fault for poking the bear 

Ultimately though we're only fighting an internal process, can you imagine how vindictively the league would carry out their processes against us if we were actually trying to sue them?

Nobody is going to sue the EFL, it's not worth the treatment, the harassment, of their club that would follow. 

 

 

 

A bit more, but it's going a little too far into the conspiratory view of things...

As alluded to earlier, the EFL, or specifically Rick Parry, seems to be scared whitless by the threats of one Steve Gibson, you have to wonder why exactly this is, what hold does Gibson have over Parry?

Well, a bit of reading...

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-efl-chairman-rick-parry-16977927

There's a more than grotty whiff of Parry wanting to making amends with Gibson about the whole thing. 

Make no mistake this is about far more than Derby County bending some unwritten rule on amortisation.

Who are they ... ? (The EFL!)

The EFL should be us!?!?