MuespachRam Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, BIllyD said: Another record for this liverpool team. Tick tock Klipperty klopp ? So funny. Have they sacked him yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derby8 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 Just now, MuespachRam said: So funny. Have they sacked him yet? Rumours he could take the Germany job after the Euros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-liverpool/platzierungen/verein/31 I can't believe that stat. Going back to the 60's, Liverpool haven't finished lower than 8th. One of the best Liverpool teams ever, to one of the worst. So strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 9 hours ago, Norman said: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-liverpool/platzierungen/verein/31 I can't believe that stat. Going back to the 60's, Liverpool haven't finished lower than 8th. One of the best Liverpool teams ever, to one of the worst. So strange. Big injuries to their 3 CBs hasn't helped: Gomez missing for most of the season, Van Dijk out for the last 22 games, Matip missed 17 due to injury so far. Made even worse by their 'backups' (Fabinho and Henderson) picking up injuries too which weakened their midfield. Losing Jota for a 15 game stretch meant they couldn't rotate their forwards as they had hoped. On top of Fabinho and Henderson filling in at CB, they also lost Keita and Ox for big chunks. Remember when we were 2nd after matchday 36 then injuries to Buxton, Mascarell and Martin meant we dropped like a stone. I think Liverpool have had it harder than we did in 14/15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted March 5, 2021 Author Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: Big injuries to their 3 CBs hasn't helped: Gomez missing for most of the season, Van Dijk out for the last 22 games, Matip missed 17 due to injury so far. Made even worse by their 'backups' (Fabinho and Henderson) picking up injuries too which weakened their midfield. Losing Jota for a 15 game stretch meant they couldn't rotate their forwards as they had hoped. On top of Fabinho and Henderson filling in at CB, they also lost Keita and Ox for big chunks. Remember when we were 2nd after matchday 36 then injuries to Buxton, Mascarell and Martin meant we dropped like a stone. I think Liverpool have had it harder than we did in 14/15. Ben Davies also got injured before kicking a ball didn’t he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Big injuries to their 3 CBs hasn't helped: Gomez missing for most of the season, Van Dijk out for the last 22 games, Matip missed 17 due to injury so far. Made even worse by their 'backups' (Fabinho and Henderson) picking up injuries too which weakened their midfield. Losing Jota for a 15 game stretch meant they couldn't rotate their forwards as they had hoped. On top of Fabinho and Henderson filling in at CB, they also lost Keita and Ox for big chunks. Remember when we were 2nd after matchday 36 then injuries to Buxton, Mascarell and Martin meant we dropped like a stone. I think Liverpool have had it harder than we did in 14/15. No one else has had injuries too... not a single team in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted March 5, 2021 Author Share Posted March 5, 2021 26 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: No one else has had injuries too... not a single team in the league. Not to that extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Big injuries to their 3 CBs hasn't helped: Gomez missing for most of the season, Van Dijk out for the last 22 games, Matip missed 17 due to injury so far. Made even worse by their 'backups' (Fabinho and Henderson) picking up injuries too which weakened their midfield. Losing Jota for a 15 game stretch meant they couldn't rotate their forwards as they had hoped. On top of Fabinho and Henderson filling in at CB, they also lost Keita and Ox for big chunks. Remember when we were 2nd after matchday 36 then injuries to Buxton, Mascarell and Martin meant we dropped like a stone. I think Liverpool have had it harder than we did in 14/15. Good job other teams don't have injuries either, they may struggle even more then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, BIllyD said: Good job other teams don't have injuries either, they may struggle even more then ? All 3 of their main CBs have missed most of this season. Which other sides have been forced to play 2 midfielders at CB at the same time? Fabinho has started 15 games there, whilst Henderson 8. This at the same time as injuries to Keita, Ox, Milner to further reduce any quality in midfield. Thiago missed the first half of the season from injury too. Jota missed a chunk of games meaning no chance to rest their front 3 either. With the exception of Milner (who missed only 5 games), the rest have been out for long periods. I think all have missed at least 15, with the likes of Gomez and Matip not expected back until next season. Find me a club with injury issues anywhere near as bad as Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted March 5, 2021 Author Share Posted March 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: All 3 of their main CBs have missed most of this season. Which other sides have been forced to play 2 midfielders at CB at the same time? Fabinho has started 15 games there, whilst Henderson 8. This at the same time as injuries to Keita, Ox, Milner to further reduce any quality in midfield. Thiago missed the first half of the season from injury too. Jota missed a chunk of games meaning no chance to rest their front 3 either. With the exception of Milner (who missed only 5 games), the rest have been out for long periods. I think all have missed at least 15, with the likes of Gomez and Matip not expected back until next season. Find me a club with injury issues anywhere near as bad as Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: All 3 of their main CBs have missed most of this season. Which other sides have been forced to play 2 midfielders at CB at the same time? Fabinho has started 15 games there, whilst Henderson 8. This at the same time as injuries to Keita, Ox, Milner to further reduce any quality in midfield. Thiago missed the first half of the season from injury too. Jota missed a chunk of games meaning no chance to rest their front 3 either. With the exception of Milner (who missed only 5 games), the rest have been out for long periods. I think all have missed at least 15, with the likes of Gomez and Matip not expected back until next season. Find me a club with injury issues anywhere near as bad as Liverpool. Part of the game, shall we put down all the injuries other clubs like Man City had last year and say well they only won it because they had fewer ?♂️They went and brought players in at the transfer window, if only other clubs had the luxury of the resources at their disposal. Oh dear my 60 million pound man that I brought in the summer window has got injured and all I have left now is the other three forwards that cost over a hundred mill between them, plus Origi or shaqiri, what a hardship ? When was the last time a manager of liverpool lost this many games in a row at home.. or is this the worst injury list EVER in their history which accounts for the fact the answer is none ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 33 minutes ago, BIllyD said: Part of the game, shall we put down all the injuries other clubs like Man City had last year and say well they only won it because they had fewer ?♂️They went and brought players in at the transfer window, if only other clubs had the luxury of the resources at their disposal. Oh dear my 60 million pound man that I brought in the summer window has got injured and all I have left now is the other three forwards that cost over a hundred mill between them, plus Origi or shaqiri, what a hardship ? When was the last time a manager of liverpool lost this many games in a row at home.. or is this the worst injury list EVER in their history which accounts for the fact the answer is none ? Part of the game which explains why they're 'underperforming' this season. Man City are a poor example, as they were able to field a top quality player in their actual position for the entire season. Man City squad availability 19/20 Ederson - 35 games Walker - 35 games Otamendi - 36 games Laporte: 17 games Mendy - 27 games Rodri - 36 games Bernado Silva - 37 games De Bruyne - 36 games Mahrez - 38 games Sterling - 36 games Aguero - 26 games Plus others in reserve: Stones - 21 games Cancelo - 34 games Zinchenko - 24 games Garcia - 20 games Foden - 19 games David Silva - 33 games Gundogan - 36 games Jesus - 35 games Laporte, Mendy, and Aguero the only ones missing from their best 11 on a regular basis (missed a total of 44 games between them). Top players able to step in at any point, with enough depth to still rotate players during their 'injury crisis'. From the first 11, they missed just 59 games in total. Compare that to Liverpool this season (extrapolated to 38 games): Alisson - 31 games TAA - 35 games Gomez - 10 games Van Dijk - 7 games Robertson - 38 games Henderson - 31 games Thiago - 20 games Wijnaldum - 38 games Salah - 37 games Mane - 34 games Firmino - 38 games Matip - 14 games Keita - 17 games Fabinho - 27 games Milner - 31 games Jones - 38 games Jota - 14 games Shaqiri - 23 games Origi - 31 games Gomez, Van Dijk and Thiago missing from their best 11 for decent chunks (not even accounting for Gomez being out for the rest of the season), missing a total of 77 games over a season. For the entire 11, it's 99 games. In both cases, Liverpool have it almost twice as bad as Man City did. The other key difference being Man City had able backup to account for their injuries. They always had at least two of Otamendi, Laporte, Stones and Garcia to choose from. Liverpool had to resort to Henderson and Fabinho filling in at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Part of the game which explains why they're 'underperforming' this season. Man City are a poor example, as they were able to field a top quality player in their actual position for the entire season. Man City squad availability 19/20 Ederson - 35 games Walker - 35 games Otamendi - 36 games Laporte: 17 games Mendy - 27 games Rodri - 36 games Bernado Silva - 37 games De Bruyne - 36 games Mahrez - 38 games Sterling - 36 games Aguero - 26 games Plus others in reserve: Stones - 21 games Cancelo - 34 games Zinchenko - 24 games Garcia - 20 games Foden - 19 games David Silva - 33 games Gundogan - 36 games Jesus - 35 games Laporte, Mendy, and Aguero the only ones missing from their best 11 on a regular basis (missed a total of 44 games between them). Top players able to step in at any point, with enough depth to still rotate players during their 'injury crisis'. From the first 11, they missed just 59 games in total. Compare that to Liverpool this season (extrapolated to 38 games): Alisson - 31 games TAA - 35 games Gomez - 10 games Van Dijk - 7 games Robertson - 38 games Henderson - 31 games Thiago - 20 games Wijnaldum - 38 games Salah - 37 games Mane - 34 games Firmino - 38 games Matip - 14 games Keita - 17 games Fabinho - 27 games Milner - 31 games Jones - 38 games Jota - 14 games Shaqiri - 23 games Origi - 31 games Gomez, Van Dijk and Thiago missing from their best 11 for decent chunks (not even accounting for Gomez being out for the rest of the season), missing a total of 77 games over a season. For the entire 11, it's 99 games. In both cases, Liverpool have it almost twice as bad as Man City did. The other key difference being Man City had able backup to account for their injuries. They always had at least two of Otamendi, Laporte, Stones and Garcia to choose from. Liverpool had to resort to Henderson and Fabinho filling in at the same time. Sorry but not having it. Man City at times last season didn't even have a centre forward, also struggled in centre defence what with injuries and the departure of Kompany. Also your missing the point, it's not as though they are close, they are 22 points behind City, they are lying 7th in the league, behind the likes of the foxes, Everton and West Ham. Even if you want to ignore the fact these teams have nowhere near the resources to behind with that liverpool have, just take a look at what they are having to deal with in terms of injuries. I might be able to understand your argument if they were a few points behind city but they aren't, they are way off the pace, yesterday one shot on target, don't tell me VAR to blame for that ?? Shocking season, Everton have Michael Keane at the back, West Ham Craig Dawson and Arron cresswell, Klipperty is showing how poor a manager he is, can only put together a team to compete when he has players worth tens of millions at his disposal, good job he has a trophy cabinet brimming from his time at the club isn't it ? https://www.sportsgambler.com/injuries/football/england-premier-league/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ghost of Clough Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 30 minutes ago, BIllyD said: Sorry but not having it. Man City at times last season didn't even have a centre forward, Jesus was unavailable for 3 league games last season: Bournemouth (A), Brighton (H), Wolves (A). Aguero played in all of those games 30 minutes ago, BIllyD said: also struggled in centre defence what with injuries and the departure of Kompany. But they had £40m, £60m and £50m CBs to choose from. Plus a very talented academy graduate. 30 minutes ago, BIllyD said: Also your missing the point, it's not as though they are close, they are 22 points behind City, they are lying 7th in the league, behind the likes of the foxes, Everton and West Ham. Only 8 points behind 2nd though 30 minutes ago, BIllyD said: Even if you want to ignore the fact these teams have nowhere near the resources to behind with that liverpool have just take a look at what they are having to deal with in terms of injuries. Leicester - A few players have been injured for short spells this season. Evans' CB partner has changed from Soyuncu to Fofana back to Soyuncu. Ndidi missed a reasonable chunk of games earlier in the season Everton - Coleman and Digne missed about 10 games each. A few niggles here and there for others. West Ham - Antonio missed about 10 games. Hardly anything for others. 30 minutes ago, BIllyD said: I might be able to understand your argument if they were a few points behind city but they aren't, they are way off the pace, yesterday one shot on target, don't tell me VAR to blame for that ?? The Man City which has the biggest squad in the league and have spent £850m on players over the past 5 years (£570m net)? Liverpool half that at £475m (£110m net). It shouldn't be surprising that an injury ravaged side is struggling to keep up with the most expensively assembled side in the world which has largely been free from inujuries. 30 minutes ago, BIllyD said: Shocking season, Everton have Michael Keane at the back, West Ham Craig Dawson and Arron cresswell, Better defenders than Henderson and Fabinho though 30 minutes ago, BIllyD said: Klipperty is showing how poor a manager he is, can only put together a team to compete when he has players worth tens of millions at his disposal, good job he has a trophy cabinet brimming from his time at the club isn't it ? https://www.sportsgambler.com/injuries/football/england-premier-league/ 13th for net spend over the past 5 years. For some reason, you don't like to take into account the players a club sells, so let's look at fees paid instead. Man City - £855m Chelsea - £804m Man United - £699m Arsenal - £533m Everton - £526m Liverpool - £475m Spurs - £419m Leicester - £415m West Ham - £370m Wolves - £345m Villa - £328m Southampton - £262m Newcastle - £255m Brighton - £241m Fulham - £213m West Brom - £153m Leeds - £140m Sheff Utd - £132m Burnley - £125m So you're arguing he should be doing better with an injury ravaged side despite 5 other PL clubs spending more than them, with not too much between them and the next couple of sides? There's no need to pretend they haven't been harder hit by injuries than anyone else. It's alright to just admit you don't like Liverpool... You'll feel a lot better for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Ghost of Clough said: Part of the game which explains why they're 'underperforming' this season. Man City are a poor example, as they were able to field a top quality player in their actual position for the entire season. Man City squad availability 19/20 Ederson - 35 games Walker - 35 games Otamendi - 36 games Laporte: 17 games Mendy - 27 games Rodri - 36 games Bernado Silva - 37 games De Bruyne - 36 games Mahrez - 38 games Sterling - 36 games Aguero - 26 games Plus others in reserve: Stones - 21 games Cancelo - 34 games Zinchenko - 24 games Garcia - 20 games Foden - 19 games David Silva - 33 games Gundogan - 36 games Jesus - 35 games Laporte, Mendy, and Aguero the only ones missing from their best 11 on a regular basis (missed a total of 44 games between them). Top players able to step in at any point, with enough depth to still rotate players during their 'injury crisis'. From the first 11, they missed just 59 games in total. Compare that to Liverpool this season (extrapolated to 38 games): Alisson - 31 games TAA - 35 games Gomez - 10 games Van Dijk - 7 games Robertson - 38 games Henderson - 31 games Thiago - 20 games Wijnaldum - 38 games Salah - 37 games Mane - 34 games Firmino - 38 games Matip - 14 games Keita - 17 games Fabinho - 27 games Milner - 31 games Jones - 38 games Jota - 14 games Shaqiri - 23 games Origi - 31 games Gomez, Van Dijk and Thiago missing from their best 11 for decent chunks (not even accounting for Gomez being out for the rest of the season), missing a total of 77 games over a season. For the entire 11, it's 99 games. In both cases, Liverpool have it almost twice as bad as Man City did. The other key difference being Man City had able backup to account for their injuries. They always had at least two of Otamendi, Laporte, Stones and Garcia to choose from. Liverpool had to resort to Henderson and Fabinho filling in at the same time. Doesn’t this just point to the fact that they’ve invested badly in their squad, and last season they got lucky with injuries, having their best 11 available throughout the season. most teams have injury worried to deal with. you’ve cited that Liverpool lost 2 or 3 key centre backs and now have to rely on midfielders in that position, but Man City lost 2 centre backs and still had another 4 quality centre backs to call upon. doesn’t that mean, by definition, Guardiola has accounted for the unknown factor of injuries better by assembling a better squad. it’s not like this season is coming as a surprise to Liverpool, they could and should have recruited much better, and having won the league, they should have easily had the resources if they wanted to go again. i have no agenda either way, Liverpool didn’t have a god given right to win the league again this season, but you’d have thought, even with injuries, they should still be in the conversation, not struggling to qualify for Europe at all. people are saying they might struggle to get in the top four at this rate, but if Villa and Spurs win their games in hand, they’d be 9th, only 3 points ahead of Arsenal. Thoroughly mid table, with absolutely no guarantees they’ll qualify for Europe at all. they got beat 7-2 this season. At the time it seemed like a weird freak result. But when was the last time Man City got spanked like that. They’re just very very poor this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 27 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Jesus was unavailable for 3 league games last season: Bournemouth (A), Brighton (H), Wolves (A). Aguero played in all of those games But they had £40m, £60m and £50m CBs to choose from. Plus a very talented academy graduate. Only 8 points behind 2nd though Leicester - A few players have been injured for short spells this season. Evans' CB partner has changed from Soyuncu to Fofana back to Soyuncu. Ndidi missed a reasonable chunk of games earlier in the season Everton - Coleman and Digne missed about 10 games each. A few niggles here and there for others. West Ham - Antonio missed about 10 games. Hardly anything for others. The Man City which has the biggest squad in the league and have spent £850m on players over the past 5 years (£570m net)? Liverpool half that at £475m (£110m net). It shouldn't be surprising that an injury ravaged side is struggling to keep up with the most expensively assembled side in the world which has largely been free from inujuries. Better defenders than Henderson and Fabinho though 13th for net spend over the past 5 years. For some reason, you don't like to take into account the players a club sells, so let's look at fees paid instead. Man City - £855m Chelsea - £804m Man United - £699m Arsenal - £533m Everton - £526m Liverpool - £475m Spurs - £419m Leicester - £415m West Ham - £370m Wolves - £345m Villa - £328m Southampton - £262m Newcastle - £255m Brighton - £241m Fulham - £213m West Brom - £153m Leeds - £140m Sheff Utd - £132m Burnley - £125m So you're arguing he should be doing better with an injury ravaged side despite 5 other PL clubs spending more than them, with not too much between them and the next couple of sides? There's no need to pretend they haven't been harder hit by injuries than anyone else. It's alright to just admit you don't like Liverpool... You'll feel a lot better for it. I don't like liverpool, why would I deny it. I'm also not arguing that they haven't had injuries, much like any other club it's part of the game, like last season when liverpool were lucky to have a complete squad compared to the rest. The question is though, is Klopp doing a good job ? 7th in the league, 2 trophies and the dubious record of holding the record for the most defeats at home on the bounce for a liverpool manager...EVER ! So I ask you, do you think he is the best manager in the PL, 2nd best ? I mean I could go on but some of the other managers must be absolute geniuses in your eyes, Pep how many trophies, Jose the same. Seems you are saying if I'm right he is doing well with the money he has spent but don't expect anything else from him especially if he has injuries and 7th is a good position based on the players he has at his disposal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 35 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: Doesn’t this just point to the fact that they’ve invested badly in their squad, and last season they got lucky with injuries, having their best 11 available throughout the season. most teams have injury worried to deal with. you’ve cited that Liverpool lost 2 or 3 key centre backs and now have to rely on midfielders in that position, but Man City lost 2 centre backs and still had another 4 quality centre backs to call upon. doesn’t that mean, by definition, Guardiola has accounted for the unknown factor of injuries better by assembling a better squad. Or he had an extra £400m to spend on players to add more depth? 35 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: it’s not like this season is coming as a surprise to Liverpool, they could and should have recruited much better, and having won the league, they should have easily had the resources if they wanted to go again. Because they earned an extra £1.7m for finishing 1 place higher? 35 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: i have no agenda either way, Liverpool didn’t have a god given right to win the league again this season, but you’d have thought, even with injuries, they should still be in the conversation, not struggling to qualify for Europe at all. If it wasn't for Van Dijk AND Gomez AND Matip picking up serious injuries they'd be 2nd easily. Then long term injuries to several midfielders too certainly hasn't helped. 35 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: people are saying they might struggle to get in the top four at this rate, but if Villa and Spurs win their games in hand, they’d be 9th, only 3 points ahead of Arsenal. Thoroughly mid table, with absolutely no guarantees they’ll qualify for Europe at all. Still only 4 points off 4th, 8 points off 2nd. Nothing in it with 11 games still to play. 35 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: they got beat 7-2 this season. At the time it seemed like a weird freak result. But when was the last time Man City got spanked like that. They’re just very very poor this season. That was a freak game. xG of 2.3 vs 1.5 suggesting everything Villa hit went in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Or he had an extra £400m to spend on players to add more depth? Because they earned an extra £1.7m for finishing 1 place higher? If it wasn't for Van Dijk AND Gomez AND Matip picking up serious injuries they'd be 2nd easily. Then long term injuries to several midfielders too certainly hasn't helped. Still only 4 points off 4th, 8 points off 2nd. Nothing in it with 11 games still to play. That was a freak game. xG of 2.3 vs 1.5 suggesting everything Villa hit went in I genuinely have no real opinion on Liverpool, but it seems you’re fighting their corner hard. how do you know they’d ‘easily’ be 2nd? if they’re that reliant on van dijk, and the whole house of cards crumbles when he gets injured, doesn’t that point to a poorly constructed squad? It’s shitty bad luck, but true champions deal with shitty bad luck. they got an extra £1.7m for finishing higher, but let’s not pretend they’ve got no money or resources. They’re a top premier league club, they’ve won the champions league recently. If they really wanted to build a legacy, Klopp should have recognised the potential weakness in his squad, planned for the worst case scenarios and the board should have reinvested some of that money to enable him to strengthen. An expensive back up defender seems like a luxury item, until you need him. At the end of last season, it looked like this was the start of a new era for Liverpool, move over Man Utd, move over Man City, move over Chelsea, this is Liverpool’s decade. But now it looks like that’s not going to pan out. If they don’t qualify for Europe at all, will they keep their star players? will klopp go manage Germany? Will there one win decades remain that, making them no better than Leicester? I really thought they were going to build a new legacy. But to do that, you’ve got to invest in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, TigerTedd said: I genuinely have no real opinion on Liverpool, but it seems you’re fighting their corner hard. how do you know they’d ‘easily’ be 2nd? if they’re that reliant on van dijk, and the whole house of cards crumbles when he gets injured, doesn’t that point to a poorly constructed squad? It’s shitty bad luck, but true champions deal with shitty bad luck. they got an extra £1.7m for finishing higher, but let’s not pretend they’ve got no money or resources. They’re a top premier league club, they’ve won the champions league recently. If they really wanted to build a legacy, Klopp should have recognised the potential weakness in his squad, planned for the worst case scenarios and the board should have reinvested some of that money to enable him to strengthen. An expensive back up defender seems like a luxury item, until you need him. At the end of last season, it looked like this was the start of a new era for Liverpool, move over Man Utd, move over Man City, move over Chelsea, this is Liverpool’s decade. But now it looks like that’s not going to pan out. If they don’t qualify for Europe at all, will they keep their star players? will klopp go manage Germany? Will there one win decades remain that, making them no better than Leicester? I really thought they were going to build a new legacy. But to do that, you’ve got to invest in the squad. It's not just Van Dijk. It's him, Gomez AND Matip. They had only lost 1 game all season before they were forced to play Henderson CB (16 games). They've lost 7 of the 11 since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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