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[Gaspode]

50 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said:

That's a bit difficult when the main reason people are opposing this takeover is because of his politics, though, right?....

I thought most of those objecting were simply applying a bit of casual racial stereotyping - at least that has to be the assumption given that we don't yet know whether the Sheikh actually has any say in the running of the country or is guilty of nothing more sinister than enforcing the rules of a rowing regatta.....

[Duracell]

3 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said:

Totally understand where you're coming from.

I'm just trying to make that point that asking people not to mention the politics of the new owners in a discussion thread about them taking over our club takes away a huge part of that debate, and surely something that is very, very important to some posters on here, like the one you mention.

Just for a bit of clarification, posts referring to the political stance of our potential new owners aren't the problem, just the ones that have diddly squat to do with the topic and everything to do with an unrelated political subject. 

[GboroRam]

2 minutes ago, Nuwtfly said:

Totally understand where you're coming from.

I'm just trying to make that point that asking people not to mention the politics of the new owners in a discussion thread about them taking over our club takes away a huge part of that debate, and surely something that is very, very important to some posters on here, like the one you mention.

I think we have to allow some leeway on this. Discussion on human rights abuses in the UAE considering the buyer is part of the ruling family for the country seems reasonable. Maybe discussions around oil rights in Norway, or Black Lives Matter - not so relevant. 

If anyone feels strongly we're going into areas that we shouldn't, please use the report button and a mod/David will decide if it's going beyond what is reasonable to discuss given the subject matter.

[Nuwtfly]

7 minutes ago, Duracell said:

Just for a bit of clarification, posts referring to the political stance of our potential new owners aren't the problem, just the ones that have diddly squat to do with the topic and everything to do with an unrelated political subject. 

 

5 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

I think we have to allow some leeway on this. Discussion on human rights abuses in the UAE considering the buyer is part of the ruling family for the country seems reasonable. Maybe discussions around oil rights in Norway, or Black Lives Matter - not so relevant. 

If anyone feels strongly we're going into areas that we shouldn't, please use the report button and a mod/David will decide if it's going beyond what is reasonable to discuss given the subject matter.

Thanks for clearing that up, gents ?

[neil62uk]

My thoughts , and last post on this topic ..!!! 

if he buys , he buys , if he don't , he don't 

Can anyone be worse than the MAXWELL'S ..... the end 

[ziggyram59]

I have no interest in the politics, my main concern is does the potential new owners have enough money to invest and to hopefully take the club forward? Or could this be another 3 amigo's takeover which could totally ruin the club we all love? 

[SamUltraRam]

Message to the Mods.

Maybe it's time to split this thread into two. One for the ownership and its 'politics' and one for just 'football'. 

I think then viewers can choose which to read and comment on . I'd be much happier with that 

[Turk Thrust]

I keep checking Newsnow, and all the other news sites but there’s absolutely nothing.  Hope something happens either way soon

[Mihangel]

27 minutes ago, Gaspode said:

I thought most of those objecting were simply applying a bit of casual racial stereotyping - at least that has to be the assumption given that we don't yet know whether the Sheikh actually has any say in the running of the country or is guilty of nothing more sinister than enforcing the rules of a rowing regatta.....

No - It is implicit that a member of the ruling family of a country that has not distanced him or herself from that family is at least in some way supportive of that regime. Same as if you decide to move, or holiday in said county, you're at least accepting the legitimacy of the rule of law there. My point being, you can choose to holiday there, you can choose to support the takeover, that's fine but it's worthy of discussion and well, it's quite lazy to use a term like 'casual racial stereotyping'.

[bcnram]

1 hour ago, Nuwtfly said:

That's a bit difficult when the main reason people are opposing this takeover is because of his politics, though, right?

Even a balanced argument, weighing up the pros and cons, ends up leading you back to politics with this one ?

Erm.... Does anyone know this guys politics enough to make a judgment? Family connections are not enough. I have a cousin who is a left of left socialist, I would hate to be tarred with views as her. 

[Gaspode]

5 minutes ago, ShoreRam said:

No - It is implicit that a member of the ruling family of a country that has not distanced him or herself from that family is at least in some way supportive of that regime. Same as if you decide to move, or holiday in said county, you're at least accepting the legitimacy of the rule of law there. My point being, you can choose to holiday there, you can choose to support the takeover, that's fine but it's worthy of discussion and well, it's quite lazy to use a term like 'casual racial stereotyping'.

You/we may have legitimate objections to the way their country is run, but at this point we have no idea who the bloke is - and simply being a member of the ruling family does not make him complicit in the overall running of the country. If he turns out to be one of the senior people who has helped shape the way their society operates then the there is a case for objecting - but if not, the over the top reactions are nothing more than racial stereotyping and people taking the moral high-ground based on such shakey foundations should be ashamed of themselves. Perhaps the use of the word casual was wrong.....

[MackworthRamIsGod]

15 minutes ago, Turk Thrust said:

I keep checking Newsnow, and all the other news sites but there’s absolutely nothing.  Hope something happens either way soon

It was at the business end of the deal with Newcastle that things went tits up, although I think that had more to do with Mike Ashley and his greed, rather than Sheikh Khaled.

I wouldnt worry about the silence, it turns out this deal has been rumbling for a good year and we only found out Friday.

[Turk Thrust]

11 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

It was at the business end of the deal with Newcastle that things went tits up, although I think that had more to do with Mike Ashley and his greed, rather than Sheikh Khaled.

I wouldnt worry about the silence, it turns out this deal has been rumbling for a good year and we only found out Friday.

Good, thanks. My belly’s been rumbling for a good hour so I’ll take a break now from scanning news sites and let things happen

[Tyler Durden]

1 minute ago, Turk Thrust said:

Good, thanks. My belly’s been rumbling for a good hour so I’ll take a break now from scanning news sites and let things happen

It's the hope that kills you  

[Mihangel]

10 minutes ago, Gaspode said:

You/we may have legitimate objections to the way their country is run, but at this point we have no idea who the bloke is - and simply being a member of the ruling family does not make him complicit in the overall running of the country. If he turns out to be one of the senior people who has helped shape the way their society operates then the there is a case for objecting - but if not, the over the top reactions are nothing more than racial stereotyping and people taking the moral high-ground based on such shakey foundations should be ashamed of themselves. Perhaps the use of the word casual was wrong.....

You can keep pushing the race agenda all you like but that says more about you than me. I'm more concerned that we already know for a fact that this potential takeover has caused great discomfort among some of our fans. He is is complicit in the regime of the country, that is without any question. There's close to naff all I, or others on here, can do to prevent this takeover happening bar raise our voices by whichever medium we see fit.

"If he turns out to be one of the senior people who has helped shape the way their society operates then the there is a case for objecting" Brilliant, we'll deal with it at that point right? Until then we'll all be happy clappers, as long as he shells out £10m on a new striker, who cares eh!! 

[MackworthRamIsGod]

2 minutes ago, Turk Thrust said:

Good, thanks. My belly’s been rumbling for a good hour so I’ll take a break now from scanning news sites and let things happen

My gut feeling, based on nothing, is that the hold up is at the end of the EFL and Mel being the cunning stunt that he is, gave the story to John Percy to get it out in the open.

To me, it makes no sense for the story to be leaked by the club if it isnt 99% done, it just creates unnecessary uncertainty and sets the fans up for disappointment.

Maybe the story has been leaked to get all the fans talking and excited and then apply pressure on the EFL to hurry up, once they pull their finger out everything falls into place.

Just my guess.

[BriggRam]

26 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

It was at the business end of the deal with Newcastle that things went tits up, although I think that had more to do with Mike Ashley and his greed, rather than Sheikh Khaled.

Or was it that the Shiekh didn't have a pot to piss in......as what the Geordie bloke said

[MackworthRamIsGod]

5 minutes ago, BriggRam said:

Or was it that the Shiekh didn't have a pot to piss in......as what the Geordie bloke said

You have to wonder why he bid 2 billion for Liverpool? I dont think it is his personal wealth he is spending, he clearly has rich investors in the back ground and he is the front for it.

The fact that Mike Ashley said "if they are as rich as they say they are then an extra 10 million here or there won't matter", you have to assume that Ashley tried squeezing every penny to the point that Khaled and his team walked away.

Mike Ashley is a multi billionaire and for him to say "10 million here or there wont matter", it is laughable, why is he bothered about an extra 10 million with all the cash he has?

A Newcastle supporting mate always said that Newcastle were very nearly taken over by Mansour but the deal got messed up by Ashley, so they bought Man City.

[Nuwtfly]

49 minutes ago, bcnram said:

Erm.... Does anyone know this guys politics enough to make a judgment? Family connections are not enough. I have a cousin who is a left of left socialist, I would hate to be tarred with views as her. 

How come? You're cousin sounds like a decent comrade, to me! ? 

[jimbo jones]

7 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

You have to wonder why he bid 2 billion for Liverpool? I dont think it is his personal wealth he is spending, he clearly has rich investors in the back ground and he is the front for it.

The fact that Mike Ashley said "if they are as rich as they say they are then an extra 10 million here or there won't matter", you have to assume that Ashley tried squeezing every penny to the point that Khaled and his team walked away.

Mike Ashley is a multi billionaire and for him to say "10 million here or there wont matter", it is laughable, why is he bothered about an extra 10 million with all the cash he has?

A Newcastle supporting mate always said that Newcastle were very nearly taken over by Mansour but the deal got messed up by Ashley, so they bought Man City.

How many takeovers haven’t happened at Newcastle? Ashley loves the limelight too much, he just listens too takeover bids to keep the Geordie faithful happy, he has no intention of selling in my opinion.