Rules you would change in football Mk2

[Mafiabob]

21 hours ago, MuespachRam said:

ohh I like that one...

Can’t wait for Big Mike Deans celebration when he slots one past De Gea next season 

[FindernRam]

23 hours ago, Spanish said:

as an old git I'd like throw ins taken legally and from the place they went out of play.  I guess there isn't a single one that meets this requirement, otherwise scrap it 

The rules are outdated. Most players can "legally" reach the centre of the pitch these days so why the 2 hands behind the head stuff Just let them hurl it in anyway they like -but It has to be from the exact spot and standing, no run up! 

And no towelling for 5 minutes first, its just ball tampering!

[ramsbottom]

Ensure the goalkeeper holding the ball for a maximum of 6 seconds rule is enforced.

Mic up referees and ensure ANY foul language or confrontational behavior towards them is punishable with an automatic red card.

Instead of issuing yellow cards for a player removing their shirts or jumping into the crowd, book them for over elaborate high five routines.

Drop balls to be proper drop balls again.

Salary cap for all clubs

[1of4]

With the introduction of VAR and off-side desisions are now being given when the striker's kneecap is nearer the goal than the opposing defender is rediculous.

Off-side should be only given when the attacking player is nearer the goal and with a clear gap between them and the defending player.

[Wolfie20]

On 05/04/2019 at 12:00, ramsbottom said:

Ensure the goalkeeper holding the ball for a maximum of 6 seconds rule is enforced.

Mic up referees and ensure ANY foul language or confrontational behavior towards them is punishable with an automatic red card.

Instead of issuing yellow cards for a player removing their shirts or jumping into the crowd, book them for over elaborate high five routines.

Drop balls to be proper drop balls again.

Salary cap for all clubs

Agree with most of those. With the drop ball change, what happens if there's a clash of heads in the 6 yard box and the ref immediately stops play?

[Sith Happens]

Offside. If you are offside in the penalty area you are offside regardless of 'intefering with play'. How can you be in the penalty area and not intefering

 

[SaintRam]

12 hours ago, Paul71 said:

Offside. If you are offside in the penalty area you are offside regardless of 'intefering with play'. How can you be in the penalty area and not intefering

 

So if a player goes down, and is in the process of getting back up when his team scores a goal (with the ball not passing within 6 yards of him), but in the meantime the defenders had moved up ahead of him; you don't think that goal should count?

[Sith Happens]

2 hours ago, SaintRam said:

So if a player goes down, and is in the process of getting back up when his team scores a goal (with the ball not passing within 6 yards of him), but in the meantime the defenders had moved up ahead of him; you don't think that goal should count?

But thats an extreme point is it not? How often does that happen? You know what I am saying.

But using that example what if a player is down, leg in a thousand pieces but play has continued, he is officially in an offside position, a shot is taken and it takes the slightest skim off his backside as it sails into the goal, or alternatively a shot goes in, however the defender fails to make a clearance as his path is blocked by the prone player...offside or not?

For any rule you can come up with extreme circumstances which may happen that may not fit the rule.

[Stive Pesley]

On 08/04/2019 at 16:44, 1of4 said:

With the introduction of VAR and off-side desisions are now being given when the striker's kneecap is nearer the goal than the opposing defender is rediculous.

Off-side should be only given when the attacking player is nearer the goal and with a clear gap between them and the defending player.

It certainly needs looking at. With the sort of marginal decisions being given by VAR it's unlikely that the breadth of a shin pad gives anyone an advantage/disadvantage - and particularly when it's impossible to state with any certainty which is the exact moment a ball is deemed to have been played.

 

[Sith Happens]

VAR Rules need addressing.

So last night Barca flagged offside, goal disallowed, yet VAR deems it not be offside so the goal is given.

In an FA Cup tie earlier this year, think it was Chelsea Sheff Wed. Wednesday awarded a penalty, VAR states no penalty, but what should have been a clear corner to Wednesday isnt given because play is considered over at the time of the award of the penalty. Chelsea get a drop ball for some odd reason and they go down and score immediately.

So why is the Sheff Wed incident any different? Surely the fact Barca are stated to be offside nothing that happens after that should be valid either, so a drop ball should also be awarded.

 

 

[SaintRam]

14 hours ago, Paul71 said:

VAR Rules need addressing.

So last night Barca flagged offside, goal disallowed, yet VAR deems it not be offside so the goal is given.

In an FA Cup tie earlier this year, think it was Chelsea Sheff Wed. Wednesday awarded a penalty, VAR states no penalty, but what should have been a clear corner to Wednesday isnt given because play is considered over at the time of the award of the penalty. Chelsea get a drop ball for some odd reason and they go down and score immediately.

So why is the Sheff Wed incident any different? Surely the fact Barca are stated to be offside nothing that happens after that should be valid either, so a drop ball should also be awarded.

 

 

Firstly - I didn't see the Barca decision, but the flag is supposed to go up, and the decision to disallow be made, AFTER the goal is scored. 

On how it should work:

Because of the technicalities of how play is stopped the rules of the game don't look at differently if, for example, you have one case where a defender boots it out of play at 100mph just as the ref gives a penalty; or if after giving the penalty the ball slowly trickles out of play because everyone stopped playing. 
VAR overturning a decision that stopped play is treated exactly like stopping play for something like an injury, or fan interruption - because they don't want to get into discussion the ambiguity of whether or not the ball would have always gone out of play, or it went out of play because the decision was made and players stopped playing.

Now back to Barca:

If the refereeing team did wait until the goal was scored to give offside, then there is no ambiguity as to whether or not the goal would have been scored. Play had not been stopped, so the decision being made and overturned is equivalent to the decision not being made. Therefore a no goal can become a goal.
If the refereeing team DID NOT wait until the goal was scored to give offside, then they've made an error. They've followed the VAR procedure correctly afterwards, but that procedure relies on the offside call not being made before the goal is scored. That's just poor refereeing in such a case, and not how VAR is supposed to function.

[WestKentRam]

If a club breaks FFP on the way to promotion it is not promoted, rather than being given a piffling fine years later in the PL.

[Mucker1884]

11 hours ago, WestKentRam said:

If a club breaks FFP on the way to promotion it is not promoted, rather than being given a piffling fine years later in the PL.

Isn't it too late, by the time the accounts are handed in (10/12 months later?)

Assuming we are concentrating solely on promotion from Championship to Prem here...

How about, if that does happen, when they eventually get relegated  from the Prem, the EFL don't allow them back in (As they broke the rules last time they we there!), so they have to go way down the pyramid, to non-league, and thus "have to start all over again"!

[Ghost of Clough]

19 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

Isn't it too late, by the time the accounts are handed in (10/12 months later?)

Assuming we are concentrating solely on promotion from Championship to Prem here...

How about, if that does happen, when they eventually get relegated  from the Prem, the EFL don't allow them back in (As they broke the rules last time they we there!), so they have to go way down the pyramid, to non-league, and thus "have to start all over again"!

Clubs provide the accounts for the previous two years plus a projection for the current season. 

[Mucker1884]

9 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

Clubs provide the accounts for the previous two years plus a projection for the current season. 

Erm... well... yeah... don't promote 'em then!

#ihateaccountsstuff

[maxjam]

Change the rule so the attacker has to ask for a penalty if he's fouled.

- if he doesn't appeal, play on

- if he appeals, ref then makes the decision as normal

- if he's then found to have cheated, instant red or retrospective ban

[Elwood P Dowd]

If player A fouls player B and player B has to go off for treatment then player A also goes off until player B returns or is substituted.

A team should not gain an advantage from foul play which is the case with the current rules, how many times do we see a player being fouled and having to leave the pitch for treatment leaving 11 v 10 on the pitch.

[Sith Happens]

27 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said:

If player A fouls player B and player B has to go off for treatment then player A also goes off until player B returns or is substituted.

A team should not gain an advantage from foul play which is the case with the current rules, how many times do we see a player being fouled and having to leave the pitch for treatment leaving 11 v 10 on the pitch.

They do tend to wave them back on again straight away now

I can see what you are saying but when you have those teams like Millwall that come and throw themselves down at every point to time waste this would give them even more incentive.

I dont know why the rule was ever introduced. I guess it might be to dissuade time wasters not sure.

I dont agree with the new rule that you dont have to go off if the opposition player is booked as it gives the player more incentive to roll about in an attempt to get the opposing player booked.

I guess im cynical when it comes to footballers sometimes, just gets me when they roll about  in agony, need urgent medical attention, but then are running about like nothing happened a couple of minutes later.

I'd change the rule so if you do need the trainer on you have to go off and not return until an independent medical assessor says you can, that way it might stop the play acting and time wasting we see.