eddie Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 43 minutes ago, GboroRam said: They mean the BBC, and perhaps the Guardian as a little one. Why would an undoubtedly 'left wing media giant' like the BBC spend so much time, money and effort fronting Nigel Farage's personality cult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, eddie said: You are implying that to protest against fascism is exactly the same as protesting in favour of fascism. I'm really struggling with such a blatant false dichotomy while trying hard not to come to a conclusion as to where your true sympathies lie.. It's simple really isn't it. What would the MDL be doing if there were no fascists rallying in the streets of their town? (Clue the answer is nothing) It's not a chicken and egg situation - it's a Pest Control situation. "look at those terrible Rentokil fellas, going round destroying wasp's nests. THEY ARE AS BAD AS WASPS! THEY ARE THE REAL WASPS!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, eddie said: You are implying that to protest against fascism is exactly the same as protesting in favour of fascism. I'm really struggling with such a blatant false dichotomy while trying hard not to come to a conclusion as to where your true sympathies lie. What I'm saying is if you censor one side from talking, they rally behind that oppression. Similarly, if you give the other side free reign they are justified in believing their cause is true. In an ideal world (and yes I have been accused of being idealistic before) we should be free to talk issues through freely. Moving away from race/religion another examples of media bias include the transgender issue - the conservative opinion is very science oriented in that men are men, women are women and there is a tiny fraction of a percentage of people who are genuinely medically transgender. The other side of the coin is people are able to flip gender depending on how they feel when they wake up in a morning and others believing themselves as elfkin or reincarnated dragon spirits. Commenting on one and you're seen as progressive, comment on another and you'll get a visit from the police to 'check your thinking' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, eddie said: The headline related to the fall in output for a single month compared to the same month in 2018 - the graph relates to the 'rolling year' of production figures ending at the end of each April. The message is the same - Brexit has already been an appalling burden for industry in the UK, and we haven't even left yet. I do agree & our company has been hurting due to uncertainty. However the car industry is currently in global decline and the UK situation is not helped by the recent demonisation of diesel cars in particular. Much of the April fall in output is also due to planned car plant shut-downs being brought forward - The timing of them is Brexit related but they would have happened in the summer anyway. The BBC is very good at picking a bad news story and attributing it to Brexit, when there are usually many other contributing factors if they'd bother to look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, eddie said: The headline related to the fall in output for a single month compared to the same month in 2018 - the graph relates to the 'rolling year' of production figures ending at the end of each April. The message is the same - Brexit has already been an appalling burden for industry in the UK, and we haven't even left yet. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 hour ago, GboroRam said: Per the linked article, drop from April last year (compare year on year like-for-like). Aha - id never get away with that with my Board of Directors. Either graph the point you are writing about or don't graph at all is what I get told..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, tomsdubs said: The Sun? Ooof. I picked the Sun as a random right leaning source, purposefully ignoring the Guardian and Independent etc else you would have thrown that at me. My final comments on the subject are the fact that the grooming gang scandal was covered up, due in part to fear of being called racist (see the Jay Report) and the push to introduce blasphemy laws protecting Islam and 'muslimness' the UK; https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/01/muslims-demand-full-legal-protection-from-islamophobia https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9093832/theresa-may-rejects-islamophobia-bill-blasphemy-law-back-door/ Meanwhile the Catholic sex scandal was one of the dominant stories in the media at the time; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage_of_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 16 minutes ago, Wolfie said: The BBC is very good at picking a bad news story and attributing it to Brexit, when there are usually many other contributing factors if they'd bother to look. Mike Hawes, SMMT (Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT)) chief executive, said: "Today's figures are evidence of the vast cost and upheaval Brexit uncertainty has already wrought on UK automotive manufacturing businesses and workers." Not the BBC attributing it but the SMMT - the trade association for motor manufacture. Can't blame those commies at the BBC for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Question Do people advocating a people’s vote want to remain in the EU full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Question Does remaining in the EU offer future prosperity for the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Just now, Curtains said: Question Does remaining in the EU offer future prosperity for the UK Compared with leaving, I think yes it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Just now, GboroRam said: Compared with leaving, I think yes it does. Why can you tell me. Also can we remain on the same terms we have now ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 17 minutes ago, Curtains said: Also can we remain on the same terms we have now ! Yes, if we revoke article 50 then we'll just continue as we are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 22 minutes ago, Curtains said: Question Do people advocating a people’s vote want to remain in the EU full stop. Yes, probably. I have certainly never come across any Leave supporters asking for another vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Wolfie said: Yes, if we revoke article 50 then we'll just continue as we are now. Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Curtains said: Really. Yes really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, Wolfie said: Yes, probably. I have certainly never come across any Leave supporters asking for another vote. If the result had been the other way round in 2016 will all the government machine thrown at remain I doubt people would be advocating a people’s vote now. Oh well as I’ve said all along the political elite won’t let us leave the EU . Lets hope the remainers are right and we will prosper like we always have ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 minute ago, GboroRam said: Yes really. You wait and see what the retribution will be from the EU if we plead to remain now. I suspect our rebate will be ceased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 31 minutes ago, Curtains said: Why can you tell me. Also can we remain on the same terms we have now ! I started responding, but realised there's 86 pages of explanation behind this post. I'm not repeating things I've said a dozen times already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Curtains said: You wait and see what the retribution will be from the EU if we plead to remain now. I suspect our rebate will be ceased. What can they do about it if we invoke article 50? We remain with all our current agreements in place, including the discount and the veto. They can't unilaterally decide to change what's been agreed. Are you beginning to think it may be worth staying if we could guarantee we don't lose our current position within the EU? Sounds like you may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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