WhiteHorseRam Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 12 hours ago, jono said: The thing about Corbyn and Brexit isn’t whether he is for or against or sitting on the fence. It’s this assumption that he or the Labour Party could somehow get the Europeans to suddenly give us a super dooper deal with all sorts of extras and concessions that the haven’t been available to the current government. Really ? And then we’d get another referendum where he reckons all his party will then get behind the will of the people whatever it is. ... nope .. ground hog day I agree with your point jono. However, I do think it's a feature of the whole BREXIT/post-BREXIT era to come comedy that all our politicians, of every party, seem to think they will be able to do those 'mates rates' superdooper deals with all the significant trading blocs/nations around the world. Truth is, we have a lot less real mates than we thing we have. Historically most trade deals see one side being shafted, and we could be in line for some barbed wire enemas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 They must be feeling a bit uneasy down at the Daily Mail, having to criticise the Labour Party for anti-semitism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 31 minutes ago, WhiteHorseRam said: I agree with your point jono. However, I do think it's a feature of the whole BREXIT/post-BREXIT era to come comedy that all our politicians, of every party, seem to think they will be able to do those 'mates rates' superdooper deals with all the significant trading blocs/nations around the world. Truth is, we have a lot less real mates than we thing we have. Historically most trade deals see one side being shafted, and we could be in line for some barbed wire enemas. From a personal perspective I would have preferred to remain and give the enemas to the EU which is fat, self important and self serving from a cost and administration point of view, but is, as a civilising ethical principle absolutely something we should belong to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 41 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: They must be feeling a bit uneasy down at the Daily Mail, having to criticise the Labour Party for anti-semitism. The world is truly upside down when a man who has devoted his whole life to peace is called a racist by a paper that was one of Hitlers biggest fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Corbyn an anti-semite? I'll just leave this here then... Corbyn organised the Apr. 1977 defence of Jewish populated Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi march EDM3933 7 Nov. 1990: Corbyn signs motion condemning the rise of antisemitism EDM634, 11 Apr. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion condemning David Irving for being a Holocaust Denier EDM1124, 6 Nov. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn praised the ‘British Schindler’, Bill Barazetti, for his WW2 kindertransport EDM742, 28 Jan. 2002: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion praising football clubs for commemorating Holocaust Day EDM1233 30 Apr. 2002: Corbyn was a primary sponsor on a motion condemning antisemitism 11 May 2002: Jeremy led a clean up of Finsbury Park Synagogue after an anti-Semitic attack EDM1691, 23 July 2002: Corbyn condemned attacks on a synagogue in Swansea EDM123 26 Nov. 2003: Corbyn officially condemns attacks on 2 Istanbul synagogues EDM298, 16 Dec. 2003: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion commemorating International Holocaust Day 2004: Jeremy condemned news that anti-Semitic hate crimes had risen for yet another year EDM461, 21 Jan. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the French government’s moves to ban the Jewish Kippa in French Schools EDM717, 26 Feb. 2004: Jeremy signed a motion praising Simon Wiesenthal for bringing Nazi perpetrators of the Holocaust to justice EDM1613, 8 Sept. 2004: Corbyn co-sponsored a bill expressing fears for the future of the United Synagogue Pension Scheme EDM1699, 11 Oct. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned arbitrary attacks on civilians in Israel and Palestine EDM482, 12 Jan. 2005: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day EDM343, 16 June 2005: Jeremy condemned the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in east London EDM1343, 11 Jan. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day EDM1774, 8 Mar. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn led condemnations of an Iranian Magazine soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust EDM1267, 16 Apr. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn condemned Bryan Ferry for anti-Semitic remarks EDM2414, 26 June 2006: Jeremy Corbyn praised British war veterans for their efforts to combat the Holocaust EDM2705, 10 Oct. 2006: Jeremy signed a motion marking the 70th anniversary of Cable Street EDM271, 14 Nov. 2007: Jeremy co-sponsored a motion lamenting the poverty and social exclusion East London Jews suffered EDM153, 12 May 2008: Corbyn praised the efforts of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising of 1944 EDM2350, 27 Oct 2008: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion marking the 70th anniversary of the horrors of the holocaust EDM173, 8 Dec. 2008: Jeremy condemned the Press Complaints Commission for refusing to sanction The Times for antisemitism EDM461, 14 Jan. 2009: Jeremy Corbyn condemned a wave of recent anti-Semitic incidents targeted EDM605, 27 Jan. 2009: Corbyn signed John Mann’s motion condemning antisemitism on university campuses EDM917 26 Feb. 2009: Jeremy signs a motion condemning antisemitism on the internet EDM1175 24 Mar. 2009: Corbyn signs a motion praising the heroism of British Jews during Holocaust EDM337, 2 Dec. 2009: Jeremy Condemned Iran’s treatment of Jewish minorities in Iran EDM850 9 Feb. 2010: Jeremy joins in calls for Facebook to do more to fight antisemitism EDM891: 22 Feb 2010: Corbyn co-sponsors a motion calling for Yemen’s Jews to be given refugee status to the UK EDM908 27 Oct. 2010: Corbyn praises work of late Israeli PM in his pursuit of a 2 state solution EDM1360, 27 Jan. 2011: Corbyn co-sponsored a motion praising the ‘never again for anyone initiative’ EDM1527, 3 Mar. 2011: Corbyn backed Ian Paisley’s motion condemning the anti-Semitic remarks of Dior’s lead fashion designer EDM2870, 14 Mar. 2012: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the sale of Nazi memorabilia at an auction in Bristol EDM2866, 14 Mar 2012: Jeremy Corbyn co-sponsored a bill condemning the rise of antisemitism in Lithuania EDM2899, 20 Mar. 2012, Jeremy Corbyn condemned a terrorist attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse EDM168, 12 June 2012, Jeremy co-sponsored a motion condemning anti-Semitic attacks during EURO 2012 in Poland EDM 195 13 June 2012: Jeremy attacks BBC for cutting Jewish programmes from Its schedule EDM 1133 1 Mar 2013: Corbyn joins a chorus of calls condemning antisemitism In sport 1 Oct. 2013: Corbyn was one of the few MPs who defended Ralph Miliband from Daily Mail antisemitism EDM 932 9 Jan 2014: Jeremy praises Holocaust Memorial’s work on antisemitism education EDM 165 22 June 2015: Jeremy condemns a Neo-Nazi rally planned for a Jewish area of London Sat 4 July 2015: Jeremy co-planned a counter-fascist demo in defence of Jewish residents at Golders Green. The march was re-routed 18 Nov. 2015, Corbyn used one of his first PMQs to challenge Cameron to do more on antisemiUsm 9 Oct 2016: Corbyn, close to tears, leads commemoration of the Battle of Cable Street 3 Dec. 2016: Corbyn visits Terezin Concentration Camp to commemorate Holocaust victims In 2017-19 Jeremy introduced 20 new measures to combat antisemitism in the Labour Party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 So, documents are released which shows that there's trade talks between London and Washington and the NHS is on the table. Everyone still happy to let Boris lead this country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, GboroRam said: So, documents are released which shows that there's trade talks between London and Washington and the NHS is on the table. Everyone still happy to let Boris lead this country? If true, it's a massive problem for the Tories. Let's wait for the analysis of the documents. Waving them round at a press conference doesn't constitute proof that anything has actually been agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: If true, it's a massive problem for the Tories. Let's wait for the analysis of the documents. Waving them round at a press conference doesn't constitute proof that anything has actually been agreed. Would you be shocked if it were true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Would you be shocked if it were true? Would anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, GboroRam said: So, documents are released which shows that there's trade talks between London and Washington and the NHS is on the table. Everyone still happy to let Boris lead this country? Of course they are. He can do what he likes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ram for All Seasons Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, AndyinLiverpool said: They must be feeling a bit uneasy down at the Daily Mail, having to criticise the Labour Party for anti-semitism. I haven't been involved with any Labour activists since the 1980s. The chair of our branch of the Labour Students was a gay Jewish lad, and nobody had problems with him on account of him being gay or Jewish. What has happened in the meantime? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Would you be shocked if it were true? Would we be shocked if it turned out to be true, but Boris maintained, in the face of the evidence, that it wasn't true- and people still voted for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ram for All Seasons Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 28 minutes ago, GboroRam said: So, documents are released which shows that there's trade talks between London and Washington and the NHS is on the table. Everyone still happy to let Boris lead this country? He is born to rule, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: If true, it's a massive problem for the Tories. Let's wait for the analysis of the documents. Waving them round at a press conference doesn't constitute proof that anything has actually been agreed. Not looking terribly clever though is it? The fact that they've been horsetrading the NHS for several years now whilst simultaneously denying any such trade talks had taken place will be enough for most folk. In any case it appears that some agreements have been reached... On medicine pricing, he (Corbyn) said discussions had already been concluded between the two sides on lengthening patents. ‘Longer patents can only mean one thing – more expensive drugs. Lives will be put at risk as a result of this,’ he said. Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/27/jeremy-corbyn-says-proof-tories-put-nhs-table-us-trade-talks-11226077/?ito=cbshare The wheels are coming right off the Tory bandwagon it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Would you be shocked if it were true? I would be shocked and disgusted if anything had been agreed & hidden or lied about. I wouldn't be surprised if the subject came up in discussion. If trade deals are the subject, I would be surprised if it wasn't mentioned & minuted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50562518 Quote The UK has one of the most extreme forms of capitalism in the world and we urgently need to rethink the role of business in society. That's according to Prof Colin Mayer, author of a new report on the future of the corporation for the British Academy. Prof Mayer says that global crises such as the environment and growing inequality are forcing a reassessment of what business is for. "The corporation has failed to deliver benefit beyond shareholders, to its stakeholders and its wider community," he said. "At the moment, how we conceptualise business is, it's there to make money. But instead, we should think about it as an incredibly powerful tool for solving our problems in the world." He said the ownership structure of companies had made the UK one of the worst examples of responsible capitalism. Interesting how many people repeat the mantra they've had fed to them that we cannot afford Labour's investment plans, but the real question is - can we afford not to radically change the way we run businesses in this country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: Not looking terribly clever though is it? The fact that they've been horsetrading the NHS for several years now whilst simultaneously denying any such trade talks had taken place will be enough for most folk. In any case it appears that some agreements have been reached... On medicine pricing, he (Corbyn) said discussions had already been concluded between the two sides on lengthening patents. ‘Longer patents can only mean one thing – more expensive drugs. Lives will be put at risk as a result of this,’ he said. Like I said. No proof of this. Yet. As for the patents thing. That could potentially benefit UK drug companies as well 5 minutes ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/27/jeremy-corbyn-says-proof-tories-put-nhs-table-us-trade-talks-11226077/?ito=cbshare The wheels are coming right off the Tory bandwagon it seems. You could be right & deservedly so, if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Again, I'm going to vote with Labour in this election. I do have a problem with a lot of the Corbyn diehards (usually uni students on social media) though. When a Muslim raises the idea that the Tory party is Islamophobic, the aforementioned diehards jump on it and pelt the Tories for promoting Islamophobia. However, whenever an article is published, featuring Jewish people expressing their fear of anti-semitism within the Left, they don't give them the time of day. I have absolutely no experience in either form of discrimination, so I can't say whether one is more rife than the other, but I do feel uncomfortable about the blatant partisan approach that is taken. Is it because of their views on Israel? Or because of the fact that it's more obvious on the surface that Muslims are a minority? I don't really know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50562518 Interesting how many people repeat the mantra they've had fed to them that we cannot afford Labour's investment plans, but the real question is - can we afford not to radically change the way we run businesses in this country? Well Corbyn's solution to this is to make sure there are no businesses left in the country & plenty of people are willing to blindly follow that as well. See?, I can do the "people who don't agree with me are stupid" thing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: Well Corbyn's solution to this is to make sure there are no businesses left in the country & plenty of people are willing to blindly follow that as well. See?, I can do the "people who don't agree with me are stupid" thing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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