AndyinLiverpool Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Argentina are awful. They’re too slow and can’t get the ball to Messi, and when they finally do, he’s got three men on him straight away and no movement infront of him. He’s having to pick the ball up in his own half as his teammates are useless and can’t get the ball to him within 30 yards of the opposition’s goal. Dreadful. Feel sorry for Messi, he never stood a chance with this lot. I don't feel sorry for him at all. He bitched about Iceland. What will he say about Croatia? This is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo jones Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 We want 4 we want 4 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Croatia are an excellent team, hope they win it if England don't (lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Just waiting for the it’s only a cup competition, all about the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Now please tell me who really is better now...... Ronaldo done it at two clubs, won a Euros with an “average” Portugal side, I’d dig out the quote on here by some if I would after Euro 16. Messi needs a good team round him..... Ronaldo doesn’t..... especially at international level. Well done Croatia, think they may have a chance to win it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Argentina are in abit of a Mess...i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozza Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Good game that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: Argentina are awful. They’re too slow and can’t get the ball to Messi, and when they finally do, he’s got three men on him straight away and no movement infront of him. He’s having to pick the ball up in his own half as his teammates are useless and can’t get the ball to him within 30 yards of the opposition’s goal. Dreadful. Feel sorry for Messi, he never stood a chance with this lot. Messi was just as bad as most of the rest of his team in this game. Lacked mobility and effort. Its not only his teammates responsibility to create space for him, sometimes you have to find space for yourself. Some of his teammates were absolutely awful, granted, but Messi was poor. They were set up completely wrong - their manager got that so wrong its unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Did Messi play? I can see why he has never left the Spanish league, he can’t play out of his comfort zone and once again against a decent opponent is anonymous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: Now please tell me who really is better now...... Ronaldo done it at two clubs, won a Euros with an “average” Portugal side, I’d dig out the quote on here by some if I would after Euro 16. Messi needs a good team round him..... Ronaldo doesn’t..... especially at international level. Well done Croatia, think they may have a chance to win it now. Oh yeah, see what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 How long has Stavros Flatly been the Argentina coach...what a shame. Better get the gear out Diego ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 It's amazing to think that Croatia top the group while playing in first gear. Imagine how good they will be when they click? A scary prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: Now please tell me who really is better now...... Ronaldo done it at two clubs, won a Euros with an “average” Portugal side, I’d dig out the quote on here by some if I would after Euro 16. Messi needs a good team round him..... Ronaldo doesn’t..... especially at international level. Well done Croatia, think they may have a chance to win it now. Never understood the ‘two clubs’ argument. Doing it against Paul Jewell’s Derby isn’t really worth many more bonus points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Argentina play as individuals, not as a team. The lack of desire shown in a world cup game is shocking. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 hours ago, ViewsFromTheMiddle said: Croatia very good value at 3/1 imo Easy money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, ViewsFromTheMiddle said: Easy money. 5/1 from the start. Easy and better money. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 As for Argentina... How can anyone be surprised? For a while, all of the signs have been pointing to a team that can't be taken seriously on the world stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViewsFromTheMiddle Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Just now, Dimmu said: 5/1 from the start. Easy and better money. ?? My 3/1 was before the game too, I've been robbed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 When you’ve got the best player on the planet, you have to find a way to best utilise his ability. Argentina were so slow, they couldn’t get the ball to Messi and when they did he was swarmed straight away. Portugal found a way to get the ball to Ronaldo in dangerous areas, I could probably count the number of times where Messi received the ball in the final third in space on one hand. For him to have a good game, and make a mark, he would have had to have done everything himself. Croatia aren’t mugs, they’re a decent side who set up well to block space. Argentina’s tactics were awful. Too defensive in midfield with two slow holding players, no pace outside. It was basically a 5-2———-1—2 formation. Messi was just surrounded all the time, and basically had to try and do the midfield’s job for them by dropping so deep for the ball. The Ronaldo vs Messi debate is easy to comprehend. Messi is simply a better football, while both need a team to help get the best out of them. In that Argentina team, if Ronaldo was Argentine, how would he have made an impact. Both Aguero and Higuain also barely touched the ball. You can’t make an impact in the final 3rd if you don’t get the ball there in space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 25 minutes ago, Jourdan said: It's amazing to think that Croatia top the group while playing in first gear. Imagine how good they will be when they click? A scary prospect. Without trying to downplay Croatia, they also did very little until they were gifted a goal. Then they were allowed to play counterattacking football, and looked decent. They, like Mexico, will look a top team when they’re winning and counterattacking. But if they go 1-0 down, they will then start to look pretty average as they lack that top technical ability of a Spain or France to really break down a team who knows how to defend and control games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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