sage Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 On 18/07/2018 at 17:22, Highgate said: Football will only 'come home' when Scotland when the World Cup. Scotland were the first international team to play a version of the sport that we would recognize as football today. Yeah, I know this means the world will probably have to wait a long time for football to really come home, but you never know, it could happen! How can Scotland be the first international football team. Surely they had to play someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 hour ago, ramit said: A player being substituted has 30 seconds to get off the field. Failure to do so produces a red card. Should be a time limit. Problem is there will have to be allowances if a player is injured, so all they will do is feign injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 27 minutes ago, Paul71 said: Should be a time limit. Problem is there will have to be allowances if a player is injured, so all they will do is feign injury. Damn it, we need a Star Trek portable medical scanner, then we can introduce 6 month bans for feigning injury. Positively rubbing my hands together in anticipation of such a device Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, ramit said: Damn it, we need a Star Trek portable medical scanner, then we can introduce 6 month bans for feigning injury. Positively rubbing my hands together in anticipation of such a device Nah..just introduce a rule at 30 seconds. Allow longer for injuries but introduce a rule that if a player claims injury and takes longer than 30 seconds they have to miss at least one game to recover from said injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Paul71 said: Nah..just introduce a rule at 30 seconds. Allow longer for injuries but introduce a rule that if a player claims injury and takes longer than 30 seconds they have to miss at least one game to recover from said injury. So if it's the last game of the season, the player will miss the first game of the following season? Sounds good to me ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, ramit said: So if it's the last game of the season, the player will miss the first game of the following season? Sounds good to me ? Rules are rules. Maybe if they have consequences for feigning injury etc they might think twice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 Why have we still got a thread for a player who left 6 months ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Inglorius said: Why have we still got a thread for a player who left 6 months ago? Why not? We sing about steve bloomer and he left years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Paul71 said: Why not? We sing about steve bloomer and he left years ago. Because Steve Bloomer was a great. Enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Inglorius said: Because Steve Bloomer was a great. Enough said. It was tongue in cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Paul71 said: It was tongue in cheek. Sorry I've got a cob on am afraid about the thread not at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 8 hours ago, sage said: How can Scotland be the first international football team. Surely they had to play someone else. The team they played in 1872 was obviously England. But before the match the teams had to decide on the agreed rules for the game. The rules that the England team proposed included being allowed to hack opponents to the floor and a limited amount of handling for the outfield players. The Scotland team proposed playing by rules that are more familiar to us now as football. They were also were the team that figured out that it might be useful if teammates passed the ball to one another..apparently that hadn't occurred to the England players at the time. That's why I think Scotland can be considered to be the first genuine international football team. Incidentally both team wore hats as nobody had figured out that heading the ball might be useful, but then considering the footballs they used in those days, maybe that's hardly surprising. Also there it seems to be a long history of a football in Scotland stretching back to medieval times. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-15348386 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Highgate said: The team they played in 1872 was obviously England. But before the match the teams had to decide on the agreed rules for the game. The rules that the England team proposed included being allowed to hack opponents to the floor and a limited amount of handling for the outfield players. The Scotland team proposed playing by rules that are more familiar to us now as football. They were also were the team that figured out that it might be useful if teammates passed the ball to one another..apparently that hadn't occurred to the England players at the time. That's why I think Scotland can be considered to be the first genuine international football team. Incidentally both team wore hats as nobody had figured out that heading the ball might be useful, but then considering the footballs they used in those days, maybe that's hardly surprising. Also there it seems to be a long history of a football in Scotland stretching back to medieval times. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-15348386 But the rules of association football were laid down in 1863? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted July 20, 2018 Author Share Posted July 20, 2018 18 hours ago, ramit said: A player being substituted has 30 seconds to get off the field. Failure to do so produces a red card. 30 seconds is a long time (or so I tell my Mrs...). Genuinely think that unless they're being subbed due to injury it should take 15 seconds maximum. These are athletes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramit Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said: 30 seconds is a long time (or so I tell my Mrs...). Genuinely think that unless they're being subbed due to injury it should take 15 seconds maximum. These are athletes! Athletes yes, but they can turn blind and deaf when being subbed. Who, me being subbed? Oh okay then, but let me hug all me mates on the way out and give high fives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 5 hours ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: But the rules of association football were laid down in 1863? Some rules for some kind of football related sport were laid down in 1863 rather than 'the rules'. Some of the rules in 1863 were for example. 'Goals could be scored at any height...there was no crossbar' 'There was an offside rule similar to rugby, nobody could be in front of the kicker' 'Throw-Ins had to be thrown in at right angles to the pitch' Again similar to rugby 'There was no goalie, and punishment for any fouls'. 'Players were allowed to catch the ball and a free-kick was awarded for a good catch'. Again like rugby. 'Hacking opponents, by kicking them on the shins to trip them, was also often allowed'. When Scotland met England in 1872, it was the Scottish team that wanted to play by rules that we associate with football now, and the English team that wanted to maintain the rugby elements to the game. Football evolved, rather than was invented at any particular time and it seems to me that Scotland deserves to be considered the home of football at least to the extent that England is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 33 minutes ago, Highgate said: Some rules for some kind of football related sport were laid down in 1863 rather than 'the rules'. Some of the rules in 1863 were for example. 'Goals could be scored at any height...there was no crossbar' 'There was an offside rule similar to rugby, nobody could be in front of the kicker' 'Throw-Ins had to be thrown in at right angles to the pitch' Again similar to rugby 'There was no goalie, and punishment for any fouls'. 'Players were allowed to catch the ball and a free-kick was awarded for a good catch'. Again like rugby. 'Hacking opponents, by kicking them on the shins to trip them, was also often allowed'. When Scotland met England in 1872, it was the Scottish team that wanted to play by rules that we associate with football now, and the English team that wanted to maintain the rugby elements to the game. Football evolved, rather than was invented at any particular time and it seems to me that Scotland deserves to be considered the home of football at least to the extent that England is. I didn't think you Scots liked crossbars anyway? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 59 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said: I didn't think you Scots liked crossbars anyway? ? You'll have to ask an actual Scot that. I know they like bars in general! Is that racist? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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