"Like ya say" Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Davies and Marc Roberts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 The important thing is do you want a strong and stable partnership or a coalition of chaos? Only Theresa may can be trusted to be tough with opposition forwards as we seek a black and white Ramsxit. Sorry....I am confused. .......back to the medication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Alright own up.... who voted for Davies and bloody Pearce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Defence was 5th best in Championship last season so no wholesale change needed. Forsyth back & Wisdom at RFB would give us a very powerful unit who won't be bullied, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomInceOnFire Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Maybe even Christie Keogh Davies Wisdom Forsyth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Wisdom Davies Hanley...obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Did Davies play on the left at Hull with Dawson on the right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 There's always 2 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 2 hours ago, Ellafella said: Defence was 5th best in Championship last season so no wholesale change needed. Forsyth back & Wisdom at RFB would give us a very powerful unit who won't be bullied, that's for sure. Our defensive record was 5th best, but that doesn't necessarily mean we had the 5th best defence, pound for pound. It could be argued though that the dearth of protection afforded to them by a lack of a hold up striker or a defensive midfielder means the defence itself was BETTER than 5th best! As I always like to point out, a Preston defence with Claude Davis at its heart (under Billy Davies), only conceded 33 goals in a 48 game season! I don't kneed to tell anyone here that Claude Davis is seen as a joke figure and considered one of the worst defenders ever seen in a Derby shirt. Can you really say they had the best defence in the league when it included Clod!? On a slightly different tack, 17 teams had a better record than us at defending set pieces! That's something that needs some serious attention, and hopefully Curtis Davies is the right fit to put us in a stronger position on that front. All too often this season we've seen our defence statue-like at set pieces. Of course you want your players to do their job when it comes to marking, but you also need them to be able to read and react to the danger as it changes. If there's a chance to be dominant & decisive, to be the first to the ball and to get it clear - even if it means you haver to leave someone unmarked to do it, then it's a risk you have to take - none of our defenders take that risk, none of them dominate the opposition or react quicker than the opposition react - they stick dutifully to their own jobs (good) but then stand their flapping their arms, shrugging their shoulders, shouting and pointing at each other (bad) with nobody truly taking responsibility for what's just happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram1964 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 10 hours ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said: I am going to use modern political discussion tactics to make my point here; The answer is Keogh and if you disagree with me you are wrong. But can we discuss it for 20 mins first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Coconut said: Our defensive record was 5th best, but that doesn't necessarily mean we had the 5th best defence, pound for pound. It could be argued though that the dearth of protection afforded to them by a lack of a hold up striker or a defensive midfielder means the defence itself is BETTER than 5th best. As I always like to point out, a Preston defence with Claude Davis at its heart (under Billy Davies), only conceded 33 goals in a 48 game season! I don't kneed to tell anyone here that Claude Davis is seen as a joke figure and considered one of the worst defenders ever seen in a Derby shirt. On a slightly different tack, 17 teams had a better record than us at defending set pieces! That's something that needs some serious attention, and hopefully Curtis Davies is the right fit to put us in a stronger position on that front. All too often this season we've seen our defence statue-like at set pieces. Of course you want your players to do their job when it comes to marking, but you also need them to be able to read and react to the danger as it changes. If there's a chance to be dominant & decisive, to be the first to the ball and to get it clear - even if it means you haver to leave someone unmarked to do it, then it's a risk you have to take - none of our defenders take that risk, none of them dominate the opposition or react quicker than the opposition react - they stick dutifully to their own jobs (good) but then stand their flapping their arms, shrugging their shoulders, shouting and pointing at each other (bad) with nobody truly taking rsponsibility for what's just happened. Not entirely sure what your point is Coconut. Records can always be improved and 5th best defensive record isn't good enough ...there are 4 other teams with better ones. But my point was that we don't need to tinker too much to improve. As others have noted, it's the ratio of goals conceded to goals scored that's key so we need to score more; and tighten up a little at the back. But my point is for all those Rams fans saying we need to buy another centre half (eg Grant Hanley). Well, if it ain't that broken, it doesn't need all that fixing. Some Derby fans think that we just need to go out and spend yet more money...but if I am reading things correctly, GR has bought in somebody not just with physical presence, but also experience of getting out of the division and also with a steeley character. The addition of Wisdom and the return of Forsyth, and the return of Thorne (or a suitable replacement for Thorne) should see us add plenty of height and presence to tighten things up. I suspect Pearce will be the one who loses out because at times his reading and positional sense costs us. He also seemed to dally at set piece situations too often. GR is clever enough to see that a couple of strategic tweaks and that will be enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 9 hours ago, Coconut said: On a slightly different tack, 17 teams had a better record than us at defending set pieces! That's something that needs some serious attention, and hopefully Curtis Davies is the right fit to put us in a stronger position on that front. All too often this season we've seen our defence statue-like at set pieces. Of course you want your players to do their job when it comes to marking, but you also need them to be able to read and react to the danger as it changes. This is something which will certainly change. If you compare players and how they defend set pieces Forsyth is way better than Olsson/Lowe Martin is way better than Bent, bit better than Nuge. Thorne is way better than Bryson/Hughes/Butters. I can't see Johnson dropping from first team. Davies is harder one, not seen enough to judge. If he is at the level of Pearce, we are fine. Then he would be better Keogh. Positive change will be inevitable. Three better headers makes hell of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 It'll be Davis and David, and will become known as the "Brexit Defense" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverurie Ram Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I see DET are now doing this. Davies & Davies for me. Kinky combo Ray & David at the back, in the middle and up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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