Chester40 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 With all the general criticism about our 'weakened' team against Leicester, I think most neutrals would hear '8 changes' and think it was a team of nobodies and youth players...but in reality most of them could claim to be 'first team' players.(Christie, Shackell, Keogh, Brad, Jacob..our most expensive signing Vydra, new cult hero Camara etc ) Does this mean we have a good squad with lots of options..or do we have a team of average players and no real clear first 11. With the exception of Ince and Will it's all pretty interchangeable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 ABDOUL CAMARA ABDOUL CAMARA WE FOUND HIM IN CALAIS WE FOUD HIM IN CALAIS AT THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IN A VAUXHALL ZAFIRA ABDOUL CAMARA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsPolls Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Sorry about that. Been singing it since Wednesday and as soon as I saw his name I had to do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodle Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 We certainly don't have a very good squad as it stands to play Macs favoured 433. We don't have a centre forward currently at the club who is ideally suited to the role. I like Bent, Vydra too and I'm sure Nugent will play his part but none are ideal. Other than that we are a very good team when all are fit. The problem is with a few key injuries and suspensions our squad proves it is too bloated and more quantity than quality. We need a very good 16 players to get out of this league. I would say we are a little short of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Unfortunately all much of a muchness apart from the odd exception .Allied to the fact that any combination/ formation is a bit of a compromise especially without CM leaves us in upper mid table which is about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 35 minutes ago, Chester40 said: Does this mean we have a good squad with lots of options..or do we have a team of average players and no real clear first 11. With the exception of Ince and Will it's all pretty interchangeable? For me it would be Carson, Keogh (even with his mistakes), Pearce/Shack, Hughes, Ince, Martin. The rest are interchangeable. There are one or two others that might make the leap, but we're a goodly way away from 16 *very good* players that Doodle wants imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Average. A squad built by McClaren, Pearson and Clement, all of whom wanted to play different ways and brought in players accordingly. So we're left with a manager who will only play one way, and too many players not suited because they were brought to play in other systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whaley bridge Ram Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 When it comes to big games we are only average which pains me to say after wot money has been spent in the last couple of years ,but as a whole the club is in great shape for the future and next season we could really give it a go onwards and upwards . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 19 hours ago, RamsPolls said: ABDOUL CAMARA ABDOUL CAMARA WE FOUND HIM IN CALAIS WE FOUD HIM IN CALAIS AT THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IN A VAUXHALL ZAFIRA ABDOUL CAMARA! You are aware he is a rich footballer and not a refugee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said: You are aware he is a rich footballer and not a refugee? Since when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Just now, rynny said: Since when? I think since he wasn't stopping over in France on his way from Damascas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Just now, IlsonDerby said: I think since he wasn't stopping over in France on his way from Damascas Must've missed that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, rynny said: Must've missed that Should probably keep up with current affairs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 minute ago, IlsonDerby said: Should probably keep up with current affairs If only I had 10p for every time someone said that to me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclej Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 30 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said: You are aware he is a rich footballer and not a refugee? Now he is. It just goes to show how things can turn around for some people. No wonder everyone wants to live here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 20 hours ago, RamsPolls said: ABDOUL CAMARA ABDOUL CAMARA WE FOUND HIM IN CALAIS WE FOUD HIM IN CALAIS AT THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IN A VAUXHALL ZAFIRA ABDOUL CAMARA! racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 21 hours ago, Chester40 said: With all the general criticism about our 'weakened' team against Leicester, I think most neutrals would hear '8 changes' and think it was a team of nobodies and youth players...but in reality most of them could claim to be 'first team' players.(Christie, Shackell, Keogh, Brad, Jacob..our most expensive signing Vydra, new cult hero Camara etc ) Does this mean we have a good squad with lots of options..or do we have a team of average players and no real clear first 11. With the exception of Ince and Will it's all pretty interchangeable? Back on topic, I think this question gets to the absolute heart of Derby's failed quest for promotion these past few years. For me, the squad is good and strong but it is a little too big, without enough exceptional players meaning there is no clear best eleven. We have consistently spent on quantity over quality. Yet things started so well. After the playoff final when we were able to sign Thorne permanently in the summer, I genuinely thought that was the missing link and our guarantee of promotion the following season. We bought quality that we didn't previously have. Eustace was good in the role but George was transcendant. Then he got injured and that shows the risk of buying quality over quantity. GK: Carson, Mitchell, Roos (the only area where we have an exceptional starter and very weak replacements) RB: Christie, Baird LB: Olsson, Lowe, Forsyth (i) CB: Keogh, Pearce, Shackell, Rawson (l) CDM: Johnson, De Sart, Thorne (i), Hanson (l) CM: Hughes, Bryson, Butterfield, Guy (l), Elsnik (y) Wide forwards: Ince, Russell, Anya, Camara, Blackman Central strikers: Bent, Nugent, Vydra, Martin (l), Vernam (l), Zanzala (i) Obviously some people can be swapped into different positions and I'm likely to have forgotten one or two. It looks as if we have 20 available (not long-term injured) senior pros for 10 outfield positions and 6 places on the bench. we seem top-heavy with forwards, 8 being available for 3 starting places, compared with 7 defenders for 4 slots and 5 midfielders for 3 slots. Who are our guaranteed starters if everyone is fit and in reasonable form? I would suggest Carson, Keogh, Hughes, Ince. Should Thorne recover fully then he would be the fifth name on the list. Then I think the rest are interchangeable. Looking at that squad, we could play any 11 against 11 in training and have very littlle idea which team would win. We have the best defence in the Championship because we have good players but also because we try to change it as little as possible (barring injuries) so everyone's used to playing together. We have one of the worst attacks in the Champioinship because it's unclear who we should play and how we should play. We have a better plan B than the era when we relied totally on Martin to link things together, but our plan A is much poorer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 20 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: For me it would be Carson, Keogh (even with his mistakes), Pearce/Shack, Hughes, Ince, Martin. The rest are interchangeable. There are one or two others that might make the leap, but we're a goodly way away from 16 *very good* players that Doodle wants imo. Diito but I'd add a fit bryson in as an essential too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Ramalot Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 hour ago, IlsonDerby said: You are aware he is a rich footballer and not a refugee? Is he really a footballer?.... you wouldn't tell tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 We have good players but they are not all natural alternatives to each other within a common system. Ince and Hughes are, as forward players, a level above the rest in terms of touch and vision. Keogh and Pearce have to my mind become a league leading partnership in defence. Not certain that they are PL but are top of the tree in this competition Darren Bent is a fading star but is holding his own on the basis of a career top class experience and continuing desire. Max Lowe will be a premier league player by the time his career ends Butterfield has yet to fulfil his potential. Either he won't at all or he will be a late developer The others are sound championship players but not gods. anyway .. they are my team and when they have the shirt on they get my support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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