Van der MoodHoover Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 hours ago, KBB said: The most important thing about this match will be the fans. If we turn up simply thinking reading are going to turn up, roll over and have their tummy tickled then it will be a very long match for some. place your bets on when you will hear groans for us keeping the ball with a few sideways and backwards passing or when you hear someone shout "get it forward" Usually the other way round when we play reading at home in terms of who rolls over....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Animal is a Ram said: Nugent carrying a knock from Leeds.. so for me: Carson; Baird, Keogh, Pearce, Olsson; De Sart, Hughes, Bryson; Ince, Russell, Vydra. Mitchell, Shackell, Camara, Bent, Hanson, Vernam, Elsnik/Nugent if fit. Did Nugent even get a touch v Leeds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 43 minutes ago, Alpha said: Did Nugent even get a touch v Leeds? I dont think any of our team did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW37 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 3 hours ago, duncanjwitham said: So you've got Hughes sitting a lot deeper to help shield the back 4, and Ince pushing right on to support the striker. All that happens then, is we get a massive gap between the forwards and the midfield, the forwards get no service and struggle to score, and we get no ball retention in the final third which puts the back 4 under pressure. The main problems aren't losing the midfield battle and lack of support for the strikers. The main problems are lack of tempo when we pass the ball, and lack of ball retention up front. The lack of tempo is what's causing us to get swamped in midfield - players are holding onto the ball for too long and giving the opposition the chance to press them, instead of passing it quickly and moving into space to give the guy they've passed to an out-ball. The lack of ball retention is what's causing the lack of support up front - the balls goes forward, and it's lost before support even has chance to get anywhere near. We need to get our better technical players on the pitch to improve the tempo - i.e. no Shackell at the back, and no Johnson in midfield. And we need to find some way of keeping the ball in the final third - Vydra and Bent aren't doing it, so Nugent needs to be given a go. And assuming he can hold the ball up a bit better, we need someone breaking from midfield to actually support the forwards, which will have to be Bryson, given who we have available. Why can't Vydra help ball retention in the final third and supposrting the striker given his best position is behind a striker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North East Ram Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 8 hours ago, Seth's left foot said: Fur coats is a joke I hope?! I wish I was that funny mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I have given up trying to second guess formations and how players fit in them. What seems perfect logic on paper rarely seems to work. I am a bit wary of this game because Reading play football and like possession. We could be out played OR they could be open enough for us to scalp them good and proper. Going to be an interesting day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 47 minutes ago, jono said: I have given up trying to second guess formations and how players fit in them. What seems perfect logic on paper rarely seems to work. I am a bit wary of this game because Reading play football and like possession. We could be out played OR they could be open enough for us to scalp them good and proper. Going to be an interesting day. Just a bit? They like coming to PP and have had our pants down more often than not in recent years. Coupled with the fact that we've had 2 pretty poor performances - and I don't associate mac with sudden massive form swings - I see a narrow home defeat, sad to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 2 hours ago, JW37 said: Why can't Vydra help ball retention in the final third and supposrting the striker given his best position is behind a striker? Who says that's his best position? At Watford he mostly played off a target man, making runs onto flick-ons etc. His only attributes are pace and (supposedly) finishing. He doesn't have the upper body strength, first touch, and awareness to hold the ball up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Animal is a Ram said: Nugent carrying a knock from Leeds.. so for me: Carson; Baird, Keogh, Pearce, Olsson; De Sart, Hughes, Bryson; Ince, Russell, Vydra. Mitchell, Shackell, Camara, Bent, Hanson, Vernam, Elsnik/Nugent if fit. Christie? Anyway that line up is probably pretty much spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 5 hours ago, Animal is a Ram said: Nugent carrying a knock from Leeds.. so for me: Carson; Baird, Keogh, Pearce, Olsson; De Sart, Hughes, Bryson; Ince, Russell, Vydra. Mitchell, Shackell, Camara, Bent, Hanson, Vernam, Elsnik/Nugent if fit. I'd go with that . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, RiddingsRam said: I'd go with that . Maybe start Christie and Baird on the bench? Hoping CC get back on same form he was before got injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 1 minute ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Maybe start Christie and Baird on the bench? Hoping CC get back on same form he was before got injured. Can't see him ready for a start DEL . Maybe from the bench ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverurie Ram Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 4 hours ago, HantsRam said: Just a bit? They like coming to PP and have had our pants down more often than not in recent years. Coupled with the fact that we've had 2 pretty poor performances - and I don't associate mac with sudden massive form swings - I see a narrow home defeat, sad to say. Plus you can add to the mix that Japp Stam might remember all Steve McClaren's ways from when they were both at Man Utd. And if we get a penalty can Carson or anyone take it, instead of Bent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JW37 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 16 hours ago, duncanjwitham said: Who says that's his best position? At Watford he mostly played off a target man, making runs onto flick-ons etc. His only attributes are pace and (supposedly) finishing. He doesn't have the upper body strength, first touch, and awareness to hold the ball up. Yeah like at Watford playing behind a striker? In behind Nugent. His technical ability is underrated he's made some very nice flicks and moves just not finished his chances so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 1 hour ago, JW37 said: Yeah like at Watford playing behind a striker? In behind Nugent. His technical ability is underrated he's made some very nice flicks and moves just not finished his chances so far. You must have a very different definition of 'playing behind a striker' to me. At Watford he was mostly hanging on the shoulder of the last man, waiting for flick-ons from Deeney. At Derby, Nugent won't be flicking the ball on to him as he's not that type of player. And if he's playing on the last man, he's not going to be dropping off, linking play. holding the ball up etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth's left foot Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Carson Baird Keogh Pearce Shackell De Sart Bryson Hughes Ince Bent Russell I know he's slower than when he used to play LB but surely JS will be better than Hanson? Pearce has to play, Russell will inject some energy into the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 ...................................Carson................................... Christie..............Keogh..............Pearce...........Olsson .................................De-Sart........................................ ................Bryson................................Hughes.............. Ince...........................Vydra..........................Russell Subs: Mitchell-Baird-Shackell-Vernham-Bent-Hanson-Camara Injured/suspended: Forsyth-Lowe-Thorne-Butterfield-Johnson-Nugent-Anya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Hopefully that'll be the line up tomorrow @The Scarlet Pimpernel. Get back on tomorrow please lads! STEVE MAC BARMY ARMY ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamLad1884 Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Seth's left foot said: Carson Baird Keogh Pearce Shackell De Sart Bryson Hughes Ince Bent Russell I know he's slower than when he used to play LB but surely JS will be better than Hanson? Pearce has to play, Russell will inject some energy into the side. It'll either be Christie or olsson in, that back four would probably be the slowest we've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth's left foot Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, RamLad1884 said: It'll either be Christie or olsson in, that back four would probably be the slowest we've ever seen. They're back in training but I think this game is too early for them. Christie is a big loss, his runs will help our attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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