cannable Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, Ilsonram12 said: Oh you mean when Martin and Thorne and eustace was injured, lost ibe and we brought in Ince and Bent and persisted with 4-3-3 and everyone was crying out for a plan B?? good old 4-3-3 How many teams in England have the sways capable of adapting to other systems in case of a chronic injury crisis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrm14 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 As a manager, you manage with the resources you have. The strongest area in our team is our midfield, so you play the system that gets the most out of the central midfielders in the style that they're good at. If you're too dense to understand this then football is probably too advanced for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, lrm14 said: As a manager, you manage with the resources you have. The strongest area in our team is our midfield, so you play the system that gets the most out of the central midfielders in the style that they're good at. If you're too dense to understand this then football is probably too advanced for you. Are the central midfielders our biggest strength though? With 4 3 3 you don't get the best out of Ince or wiemann and probably any of the strikers we now have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrm14 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 4 minutes ago, Simsy said: Are the central midfielders our biggest strength though? With 4 3 3 you don't get the best out of Ince or wiemann and probably any of the strikers we now have. Yes, comfortably our best area. Weimann is not one of our best players and 4-3-3 definitely gets the best out of Ince, as it puts him in an advanced position with very little defensive duties. We're not just limited to 4-3-3, anything where we have more numbers in midfield suits us, just not a 2 man midfield which we don't have the players for and cripples our strongest area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 43 minutes ago, Ilsonram12 said: Just a manager to sort the men from the boys/bottlers, think we all thought we had that with the disciplinarian Pearson but..... But why do we need that, we are in a league with 22 other teams of bottlers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 2 hours ago, Alpha said: Or just don't play 422----------1------1. And ask Bryson (a reliable passer but very short ranged and plays the way he's facing) to play on top of CB's. Don't play ball playing midfielders in wide areas when all your service to them is hoofing into empty pitch. Don't then play the wide players in the middle. Don't play like you've got a target man when you haven't. If you have 3 reliable possession players, maybe introduce them to the opponents half to create pressure? If you have a striker that plays with minimal touches and draws defenders out... maybe use the space beyond him rather than wish him luck and leave the team camped Don't ask your full back to hit crosses from deep when you have no aerial threat. No, you don't have to play 433. Just play a system that plays to players strengths and they can get used to so everything is done on instinct rather than a confused mess. The major message to the new manager would be don't try to get 20 lads to do what worked for the last 20 lads you used. Do what suits the current bunch. Pearson had it set in his mind what he wanted. He expected it everyone to adapt. How about meeting them halfway and slowly introduce your methods? Nail! Head! Hit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1967Ram Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 1 hour ago, lrm14 said: As a manager, you manage with the resources you have. The strongest area in our team is our midfield, so you play the system that gets the most out of the central midfielders in the style that they're good at. If you're too dense to understand this then football is probably too advanced for you. I agree (I think it may have been for Pearson here! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopRam Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Whilst Mel Is in charge the manager will have to do it his way, the guy is clearly trying to run it himself, may as well appoint himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 2 hours ago, Ilsonram12 said: Just a manager to sort the men from the boys/bottlers, think we all thought we had that with the disciplinarian Pearson but..... Only eleven teams of of 92 don't bottle it every year by that, as every teams starts on zero points, zero goals etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 20 minutes ago, TopRam said: Whilst Mel Is in charge the manager will have to do it his way, the guy is clearly trying to run it himself, may as well appoint himself Isn't that the point? For nine years any incoming manager had to do it the 'Swansea way'. For the last six years any incoming manager had to do it the 'Southampton way'. Even since Pep left any incoming Barca manager has had to follow the blueprints he left behind. Clough set the blueprint. McClaren followed them. Clement started veering away from them and was subsequently sacked because of this. Wassall steered us back in the right direction. Pearson crashed the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted October 8, 2016 Author Share Posted October 8, 2016 Is Anthony Hudson still in the frame. http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/football/85124286/Derby-County-door-open-for-All-Whites-boss-Anthony-Hudson-after-manager-sacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 So we have from a pear to a kiwi. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagerbob Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 3 hours ago, cannable said: Isn't that the point? For nine years any incoming manager had to do it the 'Swansea way'. For the last six years any incoming manager had to do it the 'Southampton way'. Even since Pep left any incoming Barca manager has had to follow the blueprints he left behind. Clough set the blueprint. McClaren followed them. Clement started veering away from them and was subsequently sacked because of this. Wassall steered us back in the right direction. Pearson crashed the car. Spot on. If Derby do want to follow a southampton or swansea model which i have heard Mel mention before, Then this is exactly what they need to do. My fears when Pearson was appointed was that he would slowly change our entire team to suit. It so happens that Mel wasnt prepared to let him do that, unless of course there were other reasons in their meetings. When you consider when MAC built on what Clough had done and very quickly turned us into a force I remember interviews and answers at fans forum where he said he had learnt his lesson in his short spell at forest when he tried to change too much too quickly. And you have to change very little, bit by bit to have success. This is exactly where Pearson fell down, he changed too much too quickly, the players struggled, and back that up with bad luck and not getting the points we deserved, and then very quickly you have a team low on confidence and a club which look like its going backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickram Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 11 hours ago, Derbyram1983 said: The players need their arse kicked. It can't be mclarens, wassalls, Clements and pearsons fault. Who are these players that are disruptive? They need putting in the reserves I agree but Pearson tried that and got fired.Whoever these players are,they are a disgrace and unfit to represent Derby County. Interestingly went to a dinner couple of weeks back with John Barnes the guest speaker, and he touched on the way managers get sacked. He said it's the players that get them sacked and fans should turn on the players not managers. Wrong decision made and it will come back to haunt us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 19 minutes ago, mickram said: I agree but Pearson tried that and got fired.Whoever these players are,they are a disgrace and unfit to represent Derby County. Interestingly went to a dinner couple of weeks back with John Barnes the guest speaker, and he touched on the way managers get sacked. He said it's the players that get them sacked and fans should turn on the players not managers. Wrong decision made and it will come back to haunt us. I too have been to a dinner where John Barnes was a speaker. On that occasion he was deriding 442 as a formation and style saying that it lacked flexibility and usually results in either too many or too few players ahead of the ball. Just saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronRam 140.6 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 12 hours ago, Simsy said: So request the new manager to play a system that didn't get us promoted for 3 years. Seeing as we've only been promoted once in the last 15 years or so all but one system has been a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopRam Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 9 hours ago, cannable said: Isn't that the point? For nine years any incoming manager had to do it the 'Swansea way'. For the last six years any incoming manager had to do it the 'Southampton way'. Even since Pep left any incoming Barca manager has had to follow the blueprints he left behind. Clough set the blueprint. McClaren followed them. Clement started veering away from them and was subsequently sacked because of this. Wassall steered us back in the right direction. Pearson crashed the car. Well what success we had....Pearson should never of been hired if he wasn't going to follow the 4-3-3 right? Clement made it a little more boring but defencesivly we were a lot better. In time Pearson would of sorted it out not after 1 transfer window that's just ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 2 hours ago, TopRam said: Well what success we had....Pearson should never of been hired if he wasn't going to follow the 4-3-3 right? Clement made it a little more boring but defencesivly we were a lot better. In time Pearson would of sorted it out not after 1 transfer window that's just ridiculous FOUR THREE THREE IS THE SHAPE, NOT THE SYSTEM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 10 hours ago, cannable said: FOUR THREE THREE IS THE SHAPE, NOT THE SYSTEM Wait you're telling me Barcelona play a different system than England did at the euros ? Preposterous they both played 433 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 But we never really played 4-3-3, we always played Martin up alone. 4-2-3-1, 4-3-2-1 was probably more familiar formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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