Ninos Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 43 minutes ago, cheron85 said: The first Hull goal in the first leg of the playoffs is the classic example of what he does/doesn't do... Totally 50/50 if not 60/40 in his favour but he didn't really want to commit to the challenge... Their forward did... Won the ball and scored... And before anyone jumps in with "that's just one occasion" I reiterate that is just pretty much the perfect example of him doing it... Like a text-book Shackell moment... YEP I like him as a player... He's tidy and does his job... Will fling himself in front of a shot when he can and think he's not afraid to take a ball for the team... However he's NEVER going to be a player who will give everything for 50/50 balls and he's never going to cover for anyone else around him... I disagree. I think he's quite dedicated. And can give many examples. The problem is his complete lack of ability to distribute effectively and his total ineffectiveness on OUR set pieces. He was dropped for a reason 1 because you could see NP going totally tonto with those long passes to no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 13 minutes ago, Anag Ram said: Remember Shackell came here from a side which then went up to the Prem. He can be forgiven for feeling a bit bitter, especially when we got so close last year. I think he looks a bit sulky like one of two others. He strikes me as being a bit of a flat track bully. Okay when he's bigger than his opponent but not so tough when someone has a go back. He does however have good positional sense and is often able to block crosses. He might need a rest to find his desire - or he might sulk. It's up to him. Truth here. I think he expected (as did we) that he would be made captain and lead Clements team but the dodo made Baird captain. I think that was a bit of a slap in the face then wassall comes in and it's Keezy. Make him the boss he thrives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 2 hours ago, Mostyn6 said: wouldn't be too fussed if he never played again. Vastly over-rated and under-committed to the cause. I'd rather have Pearce play. It's going to be a long time before I ever bring myself to forgve his petulence at Rotherham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archie Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I quite like Shackell overall, a good Championship defender, he has his faults as do most footballers barring a select few. There are sadly much larger issues facing the team on the pitch currently, much bigger fish to fry, so I'll refrain from calling him out right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Bit harsh. There's new born babies that pass better than him and that's a pretty big issue but I think he's a really good defender. People had a paddy when he gave Wassall some grief but in the next breath say he doesn't care?? How's that work? And the Rotherham thing was nothing anyway. Just tempers. He apologised. You people never been there? ******!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 9 minutes ago, RFK said: At which one? At Shackell letting Leon Best score twice in the last 5 minutes. To be fair, it was a dreadfully unprofessional performance by the player concerned, compounded by his foul-mouthed meltdown at the head coach as he sought to deflect responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 2 hours ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Isn't Alex Cover also Cover? Genuine question, he is highly rated I believe. He's in a Depeche Mode cover band as Martin Gore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Well, thats fair comment. He did indeed take Burnley up, having.not done that at derby, is his heart in it? Is he sulking, or regeting his move? Or just not like the pearson way? Hang on, hes first choice when fit, still a good defender. I just dont find him a likable player. Just my perception, based on not a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarRam Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 So just to confirm... Shackell is bad and Pearce good.. Until Pearce makes a mistake and then Pearce bad and Shackell good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag zig Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Shackell is a bit of an enigma to me. As defenders go and as some point out decent blocker, not so bad in the air, ask him to pass a ball more than 15 feet forward he's lost. Pearce did seem to move the ball to the wing quicker but I'll be on tenterhooks when someone fast comes up against him, does that mean Keogh or nearest full back adjusts his game to cover? Same scenario with both and I don't think Rawson any better in that respect. Another in the Shackell not the priority, though pleased to see Pearce get a chance, he spoke well too after the game, which made me feel he might have more presence on the pitch than Shackell, until as Jaguar said Pearce makes a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 He has nice hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 58 minutes ago, JaguarRam said: So just to confirm... Shackell is bad and Pearce good.. Until Pearce makes a mistake and then Pearce bad and Shackell good? Pretty much, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 1 hour ago, JaguarRam said: So just to confirm... Shackell is bad and Pearce good.. Until Pearce makes a mistake and then Pearce bad and Shackell good? it's not about mistakes, EVERY player makes mistakes. Mark Wright made loads and I loved him. It's about (perceived) attitude. It's about commitment. It's about showing a level of respect to your manager, to your coaches, to your team-mates, to the fans that ultimately pay your wages. I have no sense of entitlement in regards to results or even level of skill and entertainment, but I do lose love for people I think aren't giving it more than a token effort and going through the motions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesterRam Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I didn't like Mark Wrights hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsnip Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Keogh, Shackell, Pearce & Rawson. We have 4 very decent centre halves so no problem there. It's one position further up the field we need to worry about - we need a good defensive midfielder to cover George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 2 hours ago, Mostyn6 said: I will never ever ever ever ever accept that it was Wassall that caused that. In footballing terms, we could've been able to have a man sent off at 3 goals up and still see the game out. Wassall was the victim here in my opinion, perhaps in the same way Pearson is a victim now. Players switch off and go through the motions, and when I single out the likes of Shackell and Keogh, it's cos their mistakes cost points more easily than say Johnny Russell or Tom Ince. (There's a difference between costing points and stopping us getting points). Managers make substitutions all the time, there's no excuse for the 10 men that were already on the pitch to let their guard down and capitulate, and it's certainly not Wassall's fault and never was. No you're wrong. It was extremely arrogant to go more attacking with such a big lead. There are intelligent ways to preserve leads and at the moment he made those subs we were all scratching our heads. Even you. NP has much to do to convince us hes a winner but at Preston he preserved the win by adding a centre half. Wassall deserved what he got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ninos said: No you're wrong. It was extremely arrogant to go more attacking with such a big lead. There are intelligent ways to preserve leads and at the moment he made those subs we were all scratching our heads. Even you. NP has much to do to convince us hes a winner but at Preston he preserved the win by adding a centre half. Wassall deserved what he got. you're not qualified to tell me I am wrong. Chris Martin has been top scorer for Derby twice in since you're educated opinion came to light. Any football team should be able to defend a 3 goal lead with 10 mins to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastletonRam Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Defender from Uruguay training with us atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PistoldPete2 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Shackell has neither age nor attitude on his side. I think he's for the scrapheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, CastletonRam said: Defender from Uruguay training with us atm. Martin caceres? Apologies for the spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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