GrumpyBear Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 7 hours ago, HantsRam said: That karanka seems as dull as ditchwater. But boro haven't stopped grinding out the results so something must be keeping them going that our group of players are lacking. He doesn't do sparkling interviews but he has the respect of his squad, knows exactly how he wants them to play and - as mentioned by another poster - it didn't happen in one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 A win on Saturday is essential - and it won't be easy. It's a must win for Birmingham if they want to break into the play-offs Hull on the other hand are at home to Charlton who are in the bottom 3 and haven't won in 9 games - so a nailed on 3 points for them and another poor performance from us would mean we're suddenly 4 points off second and a gap opens up like with M'boro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, StivePesley said: A win on Saturday is essential - and it won't be easy. It's a must win for Birmingham if they want to break into the play-offs immediately, which would mean nothing. FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 27 minutes ago, SaintRam said: FTFY Well not really - it's a huge psychological boost to a team and their fans. Following your logic - you're saying that they aren't bothered about winning because being top six is meaningless and they plan to sneak in to the top six on the last day of the season because it's pointless to do so sooner Facepalm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 8 minutes ago, StivePesley said: Well not really - it's a huge psychological boost to a team and their fans. Following your logic - you're saying that they aren't bothered about winning because being top six is meaningless and they plan to sneak in to the top six on the last day of the season because it's pointless to do so sooner Facepalm No, what I'm saying is you seem to be confusing the term "must-win" with every single football match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 5 minutes ago, SaintRam said: No, what I'm saying is you seem to be confusing the term "must-win" with every single football match. Sigh - no I'm not What I said: "It's a must win for Birmingham if they want to break into the play-offs" That's just a fact isn't it? If they don't want to be in the play-offs then it's not a must-win. If they aren't arsed like. I mean who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 3 hours ago, GrumpyBear said: He doesn't do sparkling interviews but he has the respect of his squad, knows exactly how he wants them to play and - as mentioned by another poster - it didn't happen in one season. This is key. Do you think PC has that from the players? I think that given the investment in analysis and the mentions of "tactical plans" we can reasonably assume that PC knows how he wants them to play. As for the "not in one season" - well, they were as close last year as we were in 2014 playing similar stuff. so I would assert theyve been playing more or less the same for a couple of seasons now. Karanka was appoined in November 2013. So effectively he had one part season to get them going and has then done playoffs, top of the league. He didn't spend an awful lot longer than PC has had already getting his teeam into shape! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 9 minutes ago, StivePesley said: Sigh - no I'm not What I said: "It's a must win for Birmingham if they want to break into the play-offs" That's just a fact isn't it? If they don't want to be in the play-offs then it's not a must-win. If they aren't arsed like. I mean who cares? They can not win against us, and easily make the play-offs. That's my point. Therefore it's not a must-win. It isn't a huge detriment to their season goals if they fail to beat us. Because most teams in and around them also won't beat us. I just don't think your fully grasping the definition of the term "must win" which is odd because it's very self explanatory. Of course they WANT to win, everyone does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Middlesboro will choke big time at some stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 53 minutes ago, StivePesley said: Sigh - no I'm not What I said: "It's a must win for Birmingham if they want to break into the play-offs" That's just a fact isn't it? If they don't want to be in the play-offs then it's not a must-win. If they aren't arsed like. I mean who cares? But they wouldn't be in the playoffs. You have to finish between 3rd and 6th to be 'in the playoffs'. There's a long time until May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyBear Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 18 minutes ago, Yani P said: Middlesboro will choke big time at some stage Is this informed opinion or wishful thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahalftimereport Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 21 hours ago, TheHomunculusLives said: No offence my friend as you stated you came on here in peace, but if Derby are a less successful football club than Hull bearing in mind our respective histories, support and resources, something is badly wrong. Think you must have misread something, I never said Derby were less successful than Hull, just that we still have the most expensive squad with the highest wage bill in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahalftimereport Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 21 hours ago, reveldevil said: Trouble is barring injuries, I suspect Boro's blip has been and gone, you, us and Bumley in a fight for 2nd? I disagree. We're only in January, I still expect Boro to have a blip between now and May. If/when they do, I'd hope we could capitalise. We should if we start actually turning up for away games against the bottom half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highgate Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 No, of course the pressure isn't off. We've invested very heavily so the pressure will be on until promotion is secured and not before. In fact the pressure is increasing, as we are now outside the top two and we can't afford too many more bad results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Pressure is ON and anyone who thinks it isn't should have another listen to Clement's post reading interview. It wont be off until either we secure promotion or promotion is not achievable (in the context of this season). Boro, Hull, us and Burnley are all pushing, Brighton have fell away a bit. The pressure is on Boro the least at present, but in three weeks, six weeks it might look different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Boro will smash 100 points. They're just going to put distance between us now. They can afford a blip and still do it as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Pressure is on. We need seven points from the next three games just to keep in touch with Hull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipad1977 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Most Boro fans are cautiously optimistic now of our chances of getting in the Prem. This is a league where no one can predict with any certainty who is going to beat who as we've seen after all! If our form for the rest of the season mirrors that so far, then we're on course for either 101 or 102 points. This form would contain a few losses here and there like against Hull and Bristol City 1st half, draws too like against Derby, Brum etc and a blip/wobble like we did have for the first 2 or 3 weeks of October in which we lost against Reading, drew against Fulham then lost against Cardiff (which had every bedwetter amongst our supporters absolutely pis$ing their pants in terror) Of course there's variables to chuck in there like there always is in football! Like as it's likely we will have another blip, how long will it last? We've had injuries in the first half of the season; Baptiste, Williams and Abella crocked from season opening and Gibson's and Stuani's being our most team effecting, so know all too well how they can effect a season. Therefore it is again likely we'll have more injuries, but who to, and how long for? Also the transfer window throws up some unknowns; so far we've all but signed another striker from Spain, also called Kike (the idea of having 2 Kike's up top could get confusing!) with us also after a Swedish under 21 defender too. Who knows what other surprises the window will bring? And there you have it. There's that many variables in this league it's impossible to call, it's all just probabilities. It's almost certain we'll finish the season with between 80 and 115 points, but that's the only near certainty I can give! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColonelBlimp Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 12 hours ago, ahalftimereport said: Think you must have misread something, I never said Derby were less successful than Hull, just that we still have the most expensive squad with the highest wage bill in the league. Don't think he misread anything, he just interpreted it in his own style, which certainly is not my own or I suspect many other posters on here. Pretty sure Humunculous is a Red Dog in disguise. Welcome by the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 14 hours ago, SaintRam said: They can not win against us, and easily make the play-offs. That's my point. Therefore it's not a must-win. It isn't a huge detriment to their season goals if they fail to beat us. Because most teams in and around them also won't beat us. I just don't think your fully grasping the definition of the term "must win" which is odd because it's very self explanatory. Of course they WANT to win, everyone does. LOL - got to love a pedant with an ego on an internet forum. Whatevs bruv...this is clearly a must-win argument for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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