Trump ( the fart )

[Mafiabob]

42 minutes ago, King Kevin said:

Trump is an idiot ,but at least he has the freedom of speech to say it unlike this country with absolutely no freedom of speech thanks to the PC brigade.

Political correctness comes from all sides of the political spectrum unfortunately...

[Highgate]

Trump's idea (if you can call it that) of banning Muslims entry to the US would send out an alarming message to the several million Muslims already living in the US.  In my opinion, the fight against Islamic extremism should concentrate on how and why people are being radicalized in the first place rather than trying to halt the movement of populations migrating or fleeing wars.  Obviously they have to deny entry to anyone with known links to terrorist groups...but the US banning people on the basis of religion would be a huge boost to ISIS propagandists. But then Trump is an appalling man...so what more could we expect from him.

[SaintRam]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-35060868

His reaction to being stripped of an honorary degree from Robert Gordon University and being dropped as a business ambassador by Nicola Sturgeon:

"I have done so much for Scotland, including building Trump International Golf Links, Scotland, which has received the highest accolades, and is what many believe to be one of the greatest golf courses anywhere in the world.

"Additionally, I have made a significant investment in the redevelopment of the iconic Turnberry Resort, which will have massive ballrooms, complete room refurbishments, a new golf course and a total rebuilding of the world famous Ailsa course to the highest standards and specifications of the Royal and Ancient.

"If they - Nicola Sturgeon and RGU - were going to do this, they should have informed me prior to my major investment in this £200m development, which will totally revitalise that vast region of Scotland.

"The UK politicians should be thanking me instead of pandering to political correctness."

 

 

[Ovis aries]

Mohamed Ali, ( or Cassius Clay according to his mama )  has told Trump to STFU.

 

[DEL]

Is that a wigs on his head? 

[LesterRam]

12 hours ago, Highgate said:

Trump's idea (if you can call it that) of banning Muslims entry to the US would send out an alarming message to the several million Muslims already living in the US.  In my opinion, the fight against Islamic extremism should concentrate on how and why people are being radicalized in the first place rather than trying to halt the movement of populations migrating or fleeing wars.  Obviously they have to deny entry to anyone with known links to terrorist groups...but the US banning people on the basis of religion would be a huge boost to ISIS propagandists. But then Trump is an appalling man...so what more could we expect from him.

well it depends on how you react to being disfranchised, to take arms is an extreme measure and will only alienate the host nation, we are seeing an increase in anti islam sentiment and I would hate to see the reaction if we had a Paris style attack.

[SaintRam]

 

 

 

[Leicester Ram]

On 8 December 2015 at 17:47, McRamFan said:

It just gets better...and what the **** does he think he has anything to do with London, with the 'we'.

Trump: 'Places in London police are afraid for their lives'

US presidential hopeful Donald Trump has said there are places in London "so radicalised the police are afraid for their own lives."

Mr Trump, who is seeking the Republican nomination for next year's presidential election, made the comments on MSNBC.

Speaking to MSNBC he said: "We have places in London...that are so radicialised that the police are afraid for their own lives"

 

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-12-08/trump-places-in-london-police-are-afraid-for-their-lives/

Oh, so THAT'S why @PrivateDerby won't ever go to Bethnal Green United away?

[TigerTedd]

How could you just ban Muslims anyway. It doesn't say on my passport what religion I am, no one has ever asked me what religion I am when I'm travelling, and if they did ask, I could say I'm Jedi or Druid or anything.

You can't fake a fan test to check your ethnic background, you're hair could be washed to check if you're ginger, but religion is just a state of mind, it can't really be proved or disproved. 

Even if it was a good idea, it would still be a daft idea. 

[AndyinLiverpool]

45 minutes ago, TigerTedd said:

How could you just ban Muslims anyway. It doesn't say on my passport what religion I am, no one has ever asked me what religion I am when I'm travelling, and if they did ask, I could say I'm Jedi or Druid or anything.

You can't fake a fan test to check your ethnic background, you're hair could be washed to check if you're ginger, but religion is just a state of mind, it can't really be proved or disproved. 

Even if it was a good idea, it would still be a daft idea. 

I suspect he means the kind of muslim with dark skin. It's easy to pick them out and if there happen to be dark-skinned non-muslims caught up, it'll be a price Trump is willing to pay. 

[Highgate]

Republican voters really do seem to be terrified of Muslims. I suppose being reminded non-stop about the threat of Islamic terrorists can do that to people. The media focuses enormously on such threats, making people very nervous meanwhile ignoring many more widespread causes of death such as being crushed to death by heavy furniture.  The chances of an American being killed by an Islamist terrorist are incredibly small on an individual level.  But this illustrates why terrorism seems to be so effective...it's designed to spread fear...and with the media acting as such a effective catalyst, it succeeds spectacularly in that aim, to the point that reasonable people are willing to throw away hard earned liberties to combat the threat.  But back to Republicans, i feel that some of them would be against all immigration anyway so the opportunity to ban Muslims from entering the US for a while is just too good to miss. 

I disagree strongly with posters who claim that Americans like Trump because they are stupid....they are no more or less stupid than Europeans.  There are cultural differences however, and it's really hard for me to understand the mindset of many current Republicans.

[AndyinLiverpool]

1 minute ago, Highgate said:

Republican voters really do seem to be terrified of Muslims. I suppose being reminded non-stop about the threat of Islamic terrorists can do that to people. The media focuses enormously on such threats, making people very nervous meanwhile ignoring many more widespread causes of death such as being crushed to death by heavy furniture.  The chances of an American being killed by an Islamist terrorist are incredibly small on an individual level.  But this illustrates why terrorism seems to be so effective...it's designed to spread fear...and with the media acting as such a effective catalyst, it succeeds spectacularly in that aim, to the point that reasonable people are willing to throw away hard earned liberties to combat the threat.  But back to Republicans, i feel that some of them would be against all immigration anyway so the opportunity to ban Muslims from entering the US for a while is just too good to miss. 

I disagree strongly with posters who claim that Americans like Trump because they are stupid....they are no more or less stupid than Europeans.  There are cultural differences however, and it's really hard for me to understand the mindset of many current Republicans.

Republican voters are terrified of loads of things - muslims, the state, difference, change, God, (yes, they are God-fearing - and this is the God of love, remember). You name it and they are afraid of it.

[StringerBell]

On 8 December 2015 at 17:47, McRamFan said:

It just gets better...and what the **** does he think he has anything to do with London, with the 'we'.

Trump: 'Places in London police are afraid for their lives'

US presidential hopeful Donald Trump has said there are places in London "so radicalised the police are afraid for their own lives."

Mr Trump, who is seeking the Republican nomination for next year's presidential election, made the comments on MSNBC.

Speaking to MSNBC he said: "We have places in London...that are so radicialised that the police are afraid for their own lives"

 

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2015-12-08/trump-places-in-london-police-are-afraid-for-their-lives/

I don't actually understand your point here. How incredibly stupid it would be to not view this internationally. How incredibly stupid it would be to not look at Europe and learn from its mistakes (hello Canada!). Whether he's correct in his assertion should be the cause for scrutiny. You're objecting to a U.S. Republican presidential candidate viewing things internationally? Or are you objecting to a Republican presidential candidate seeing us as allies? Either way I'm confused. The American president said "we" when talking about Britain? Good!

In terms of what he said - I'm not sure. I gather there are, what have been incorrectly coined "no-go areas" in France in which the police effectively have no control over and Shariah law trumps (wahey) French law. Sarkozy tried to rectify it and that's down on record. So maybe Trump should have just said Parisian police officers were afraid so no one could have complained?

Some London police officers have come out and backed Trump on this particular issue so, even though it sounds a bit hyperbolic, who knows how true it is?

[AndyinLiverpool]

2 minutes ago, StringerBell said:

I don't actually understand your point here. How incredibly stupid it would be to not view this internationally. How incredibly stupid it would be to not look at Europe and learn from its mistakes (hello Canada!). Whether he's correct in his assertion should be the cause for scrutiny. You're objecting to a U.S. Republican presidential candidate viewing things internationally? Or are you objecting to a Republican presidential candidate seeing us as allies? Either way I'm confused. The American president said "we" when talking about Britain? Good!

In terms of what he said - I'm not sure. I gather there are, what have been incorrectly coined "no-go areas" in France in which the police effectively have no control over and Shariah law trumps (wahey) French law. Sarkozy tried to rectify it and that's down on record. So maybe Trump should have just said Parisian police officers were afraid so no one could have complained?

Some London police officers have come out and backed Trump on this particular issue so, even though it sounds a bit hyperbolic, who knows how true it is?

I think the problem with Trump's remarks is that he has no evidence for it. Some bloke did the same thing with Birmingham a few months back. It's easy to make stuff up about places your demographic has heard of but haven't experienced and won't check about.

And he has also referred to Katie Hopkins as 'respected'.

I suspect there are areas of London controlled by (non-muslim) street gangs that are infinitely more terrifying for police officers than muslim areas.

[StockholmRam]

On 9 Dec 2015 at 11:51, Red_Dawn said:

Not for much longer! As of this time next year il be a civilian mate.. Can't wait. 

You military then Dawny? 

[StringerBell]

44 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

I think the problem with Trump's remarks is that he has no evidence for it. Some bloke did the same thing with Birmingham a few months back. It's easy to make stuff up about places your demographic has heard of but haven't experienced and won't check about.

And he has also referred to Katie Hopkins as 'respected'.

I suspect there are areas of London controlled by (non-muslim) street gangs that are infinitely more terrifying for police officers than muslim areas.

I've not heard of any street gangs exercising cultural control that would be as widespread as Muslim culture so, though these areas might exist, they might be consigned to a building or a compound rather than streets and communities. I also suspect that such gangs aren't plotting world domination like Islamists are. But you and me sound about as informed as Trump does so, again, who knows?

If the Birmingham one is the one I'm thinking of then that was when all the virtue signallers showed how not racist they aren't by calling Fox News bigoted and having a big, superior laugh about it. I mean it wasn't the best piece of journalism ever but surely the bigger issue for Britons would be the fact that parts of Birmingham are quite possibly well on the way to becoming "no go". Why do these virtue signallers complain about someone saying its "no go" when they could complain about the Trojan Horse scandal in the same city? Or that the same Fox News report made similar remarks about Paris which are, well, effectively true. 

Katie Hopkins is right in some things and wrong on some things but she's certainly not respected by the public. Although I do respect her right to free expression which many of her detractors don't. Those people bother me a hell of a lot more than a troll like Hopkins and I expect they're the same sort of virtue signallers who lile to play racist top trumps (I'm on a roll).

Anyway, back to Trump. No matter how illiberal his solution might be it hasn't come out of a vacuum. The state of the world has helped form it. I reiterate that Obama has no solution and I don't think Clinton or Sanders do either. If I was a yank, no matter how I shudder at the thought of banning a religious group from entry, and no matter how impractical his plan may turn out to be, I might consider voting Trump at this early stage. It's a 'man with a plan' vs 'this has nothing to do with Islam'. They're both as extreme as each other.

[Highgate]

1 hour ago, AndyinLiverpool said:

Republican voters are terrified of loads of things - muslims, the state, difference, change, God, (yes, they are God-fearing - and this is the God of love, remember). You name it and they are afraid of it.

Apparently people who vote for conservative parties are more susceptible to fear and anxiety in general. Something to do with having a larger or more active amygdala...according to some research done at University College London anyway.

[Highgate]

1 hour ago, StringerBell said:

Some London police officers have come out and backed Trump on this particular issue so, even though it sounds a bit hyperbolic, who knows how true it is?

Not Trump anyway....which is one reason why he shouldn't say it.

[StringerBell]

19 minutes ago, Highgate said:

Apparently people who vote for conservative parties are more susceptible to fear and anxiety in general. Something to do with having a larger or more active amygdala...according to some research done at University College London anyway.

How do they know whether the type of brain is caused by the anxiety or whether the anxiety is caused by the type of brain?

Most Muslims are conservative. Have they got different brains?

 

[Highgate]

3 minutes ago, StringerBell said:

How do they know whether the type of brain is caused by the anxiety or whether the anxiety is caused by the type of brain?

Most Muslims are conservative. Have they got different brains?

 

You first question seems to be precisely what they are currently trying to discover. So i'm certainly in no position to answer.

With the second you have to take in to account the environment or culture someone was raised in.   With traditional Muslim values being very conservative, and the influence of the religion still being very strong, the baseline is more conservative, in a very similar way to Roman Catholic communities a generation ago.  If Islam were no longer influential, i think people's social attitudes in Muslim countries would largely reflect our own...with a similar spectrum from conservative to liberal people.