i-Ram Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Some of you wouldn't know a decent footballer, even if they were to hit you over the head with some castanets.The lad effectively played his first full season of higher standard football last year, and he played it in a foreign country. When he was playing, I remember us being in the top two, and trying to play a nice passing style.He is what, 21 or 22, and if we do sign him it is because Clement must rate him. Personally I think he is more suited to playing a bit further up the park, but in a couple of years time I think he will be a really top player.Just to add, I accept he did struggle on a few occasions last year, but so did Di Maria at ManU. Anybody telling me that the latter is not very good either ? (although never in a month of Sunday's was he worth £50m). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Some of you wouldn't know a decent footballer, even if they were to hit you over the head with some castanets.The lad effectively played his first full season of higher standard football last year, and he played it in a foreign country. When he was playing, I remember us being in the top two, and trying to play a nice passing style.He is what, 21 or 22, and if we do sign him it is because Clement must rate him. Personally I think he is more suited to playing a bit further up the park, but in a couple of years time I think he will be a really top player.Just to add, I accept he did struggle on a few occasions last year, but so did Di Maria at ManU. Anybody telling me that the latter is not very good either ? (although never in a month of Sunday's was he worth £50m).I agree. He was being played far too deep. I am hoping we drop the DM role for most games this season. If we can get him at a cut down price we should probably go for him. He will only improve as his English does and so too his suitability to English football. But where does that put someone like Hanson. Hanson is better in the air. Can play DM and CB. Is a set piece specialist. Because of this he is a superior passer. I say give Hanson the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I thought Omer did pretty well, especially considering his age and first season in English football - would love to see him back here, especially playing in a position more suited to him. Looking through these forums recently and reading how badly some people rate some of our players I wonder how we ever made it to the top of the Championship several times throughout the season Yeah I know things ended badly but I personally put that down to injuries and McClaren rather than the individual ability of some of our players. #COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JW- Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 He's more reliable than Thorne because you know you can get at least 10 full 90 minutes from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Teale Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 What I don't understand is so many people saying he would have been better further forward, well he wasn't bought for that role and that's not where he plays so he should have been able to play DM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posh Ram Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 No he wasn't. Compellingly persuasive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Compellingly persuasive. I am not here to defend DEL my posh friend, but "Don't want him back, he was crap" is not exactly a detailed and exhaustive critique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Why are so many people absolutely convinced that he was played out of position? Would you like to guess where the coaches at Castilla played him? Defensive midfield.I am constantly baffled as to how players can arrive at this football club having never played a certain position in their careers, but our panel of experts immediately spot where all the professional coaches and managers have been going wrong. Last season alone we had Mascarell and Dawkins actually being CAMs in disguise and Warnock about to unlock the potential to be a great defensive midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Ram Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I am not here to defend DEL my posh friend, but "Don't want him back, he was crap" is not exactly a detailed and exhaustive critique Pass the Nachos please i-Ram. "Good footballer", you say. Well I disagree, the guy is awful for English football, he struggles when pressured, his passing is all over the place, apart from the wolves game when the whole team clicked - he struggles with everything, positioning, timing, tackling (for a DCM), passing (short and wrong) and decision making. You could be technically the best player in the world, it doesn't make you a good footballer on a full size pitch. He was also 22-years-old last season, and will be 23 years this time around -- that's not young for a footballer to have his first season. Anyways, if he does sign, then I will get right behind him and hope he proves me wrong. But to me he is an awful footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 people should have a look at our results after he got injured. He may have look like he was struggling some times, and he perhaps lacked the endurance needed, but we were worse without him because we missed the things he did well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Pass the Nachos please i-Ram."Good footballer", you say. Well I disagree, the guy is awful for English football, he struggles when pressured, his passing is all over the place, apart from the wolves game when the whole team clicked - he struggles with everything, positioning, timing, tackling (for a DCM), passing (short and wrong) and decision making.You could be technically the best player in the world, it doesn't make you a good footballer on a full size pitch. He was also 22-years-old last season, and will be 23 years this time around -- that's not young for a footballer to have his first season.Anyways, if he does sign, then I will get right behind him and hope he proves me wrong. But to me he is an awful footballer. I don't agree regarding his passing. It was very good in general. He always made himself available to receive the ball too. I liked his attitude in that he rarely let his head drop, even after making a mistake.I do agree that he struggled with positioning, timing and tackling.It would be fair to highlight his age if he were a winger, but in my opinion DM is a position more like CB where players won't really start to show their true talent until mid twenties and wont peak until late twenties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamLad1884 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I don't see the criticism of omar personally. We threw him into a team with no experience of britain or the English launguage...after January he was looking the player we were excited about and he had an unfortunate injury. If we could get him on a nominal fee then I think he would provide a different style of football to GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramble On Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Omar was a touch of class. But too much of a soft touch for DM imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Someone on the Bridcutt thread made an astute observation which is that Thorne and Bridcutt are different types of DM... Mascarell is yet another...Mascarell is a xavi alonso type player... deep lying playmaker... he's NOT a ball winner... you need to play this guy in a DM pairing with someone who is s cruncher next to him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posh Ram Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I am not here to defend DEL my posh friend, but "Don't want him back, he was crap" is not exactly a detailed and exhaustive critique That's quite true. He's crap because he crumbled under (attacking) pressure, couldn't play the simple pass and wasn't very good at defending (quite important for a defensive midfielder). I think people liked him because he was Spanish. If his name was John Eustace, he'd have been mercilessly criticised. Eustace is the far superior player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I have had to hold down my day job this afternoon @poshram and @gyspyram, and no doubt, not that I have got on to that thread yet, you are probably not interested in my reply as you will be like two spunkmonkeys with the news of Ince.I still think you are being unfair regarding the talents of Omar, and Posh in particular you talk like The Eust had the all round game of Andreas Pirlo. I hope we are both fit and well to compare notes in 10 -12 years time, and you will then acknowledge that Omar was a considerably better footballer, and achieved more success, than Journeyman John. And please don't misunderstand me. I think The Eust did a really good job for us - a good solid pro who I hope gets another couple of years under his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryram Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I'd have Omar back but only for a small fee or loan. He is a gifted footballer but don't think he is ready to dominate in this league which if your spending big bucks you would expect. He would be usefull if we was to play a 2 man holding mid and needed a bit more creativity could be brought on for Bridcutt/Baird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike93rh Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Either McClaren has abandonment issues, all these 'journalists' are in on some journalist-type joke, or they're just plain lazy when it comes to reporting on Derby/Newcastle targets. My money's on the latter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike93rh Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 And also, I think we have enough in midfield now without the need of his services (until injuries hit, perhaps). Considering our increased wages and transfer spend already I'd rather see Hanson get a chance as backup in this role (assuming he's not loaned out elsewhere).. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statham512 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Thanks but no thanks too lightweight for the championship. We already know bridcutt can boss it at our level it's a no brainer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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