Ramsam Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 It was Stevie Mac that sent him out wasn't it? Yes. I don't think Jacobs brain works quick enough at this level. Same as courts really, very technically capable but decision making is not good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StaffsRam Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 It was Stevie Mac that sent him out wasn't it? I really can't remember now. Either way, it was a smart move whoever sent him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerry Daly Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 I think he still has a future here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfb Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 I think he still has a future here I'm inclined to disagree, i'm not sure he is of the 'quality' that Mac envisages here,( see Ramsam,) he was right for NC's vision, but i think Mac is looking to build for bigger and better things.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North_Stand_Ram Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Apparently he's been brilliant, and outshone Sako since his arrival Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbydave96 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 I think we'll regret it if we let him go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 I'd send him out on loan again until the end of the season and then assess the situation from there. If we get promoted, I would keep him and loan him out to a championship club. If we stay in the division, i would sell him and put the funds towards other potential targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Yes. I don't think Jacobs brain works quick enough at this level. Same as courts really, very technically capable but decision making is not good enough I'm not sure yours does........courts? Coutts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardifframs Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Defo SM that sent him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalley Ram Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 That's because he's out on loan - started for Wolves on Thursday and scored. People go out on loan for 2 reasons - because he's excess baggage at the club or is 'one for the future' and needs some game time he wouldn't otherwise get. Not sure which one applies yet. 10/10 on observation, i know he is on loan but sorry i didn't spell it out for you - in my mind you don't send players out on loan if they are likely to make the bench, particularly with the way SM uses his subs. So perhaps jumping the issue and expecting everybody else's mind to work in the same warped way as mine does but for me the very fact that he is on loan means he ain't good enough for the bench. Hand on heart if we are looking at a Premiership future then Crackers is not likely to be part of that future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 10/10 on observation, i know he is on loan but sorry i didn't spell it out for you - in my mind you don't send players out on loan if they are likely to make the bench, particularly with the way SM uses his subs. So perhaps jumping the issue and expecting everybody else's mind to work in the same warped way as mine does but for me the very fact that he is on loan means he ain't good enough for the bench. Hand on heart if we are looking at a Premiership future then Crackers is not likely to be part of that future That is a warped view, you are correct. Getting 90 minutes week in week out somewhere else or sitting on our bench, perhaps getting 5 minutes or perhaps nothing. Not going to get better to start games doing the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Well McClaren sounded very much like he likes him but Jacobs was way short of match fitness and will struggle to get in our side unless he's fit. McClaren really did sound enthusiastic about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 I think we'll regret it if we let him goHe is nowhere near as good as Dawkins for me but will benefit from his loan. Let him stay at Wolves until end of season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalley Ram Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 That is a warped view, you are correct. Getting 90 minutes week in week out somewhere else or sitting on our bench, perhaps getting 5 minutes or perhaps nothing. Not going to get better to start games doing the latter. If he figured in our future he'd be here not on loan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 I've never seen enough of jacobs to know how good he is. But i suspect he's as good as dawkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 If he figured in our future he'd be here not on loan What an absolute load of rubbish. Virtually every top player you ever see has spent time on loan somewhere when they were his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 What an absolute load of rubbish. Virtually every top player you ever see has spent time on loan somewhere when they were his age. That Beckham on loan at Preston - he'll never be a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 How many loan moves has future England international Callum Ball had now yet never held down a first team place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smalley Ram Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 What an absolute load of rubbish. Virtually every top player you ever see has spent time on loan somewhere when they were his age. Sorry, I see what you're saying - you think he is a top player. Truth is I don't. Going on loan doesn't always mean that a player is going to develop into something special, sometimes it does but more often it doesn't. Putting a player on loan can be done for many reasons but the key two are to either develop the player or to put them in the shop window without disrupting the first team. In my view it is clearly the latter, i like the player but he "ain't the answer" and I think that if he was SM would have kept him closer bringing him on for half an hour here and there You obviously think otherwise, fair enough - I've not derided anything you have said I have simply stated my view but what i haven't done is said anybody is talking RUBBISH - seems somewhat counter to having a discussion on any subject to deride another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Sorry, I see what you're saying - you think he is a top player. Truth is I don't. Going on loan doesn't always mean that a player is going to develop into something special, sometimes it does but more often it doesn't. Putting a player on loan can be done for many reasons but the key two are to either develop the player or to put them in the shop window without disrupting the first team. In my view it is clearly the latter, i like the player but he "ain't the answer" and I think that if he was SM would have kept him closer bringing him on for half an hour here and there You obviously think otherwise, fair enough - I've not derided anything you have said I have simply stated my view but what i haven't done is said anybody is talking RUBBISH - seems somewhat counter to having a discussion on any subject to deride another Maybe if you put your actual point across with what you are writing you might not look like you are talking such rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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