sausagemeat Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 As we know McClaren has a 2 ½ year plan to be in the prem. Getting out of the championship by way of automatic promotion is very difficult and a particular quality level of squad is needed. To try to look at the reality of the situation of our current squad quality I thought it may be interesting to evaluate our current players - rating them for their current playing standard at championship level only of either Poor Average Good Very good Personally I think any team that gets automatic promotion needs a nucleus of the following quality of player. The Starting 11 -Whilst ideally wanting 11 x very good players the reality is that doesn’t happen, most teams that do well would probably have - 3 x average + 4 x good + 4 x very good players at championship level. The subs - 1 x very good (been injured) 3 x good + 2 x average = 1 x poor / average (You always get a player the crowd don’t like but the manager seems to like) I would rate our team / squad as follows , These are not ratings for yesterday’s performance, they are my ratings for their overall quality at championship level - some are given a cross over rating as say poor / average as some games they raise or drop their level of performance Team v Brum Their quality level as players in the championship, I have tried to be as fair as possible in my reckoning, Grant - average Wisdom - Too early to tell - looks good technically - could be very good Keogh - average Buxton - average Forsyth - poor / average Eustace - average / good Bryson - good / very good Hughes - Reality - average / good - potentially - good / very good Ward - good Dawkins - Too early to tell ? Martin - average Subs v Brum Morch - no idea Freeman - poor Smith - poor / average Jacobs - average - always looks like having promise Bennett - average - at this stage for a young player Sammon - poor Ball - Poor - at this stage To come back Barker - good - if he ever recovers and plays to the level he could which is doubtful at his age. Coutts - average / good Russell - average - not really seen enough to be fair and played out of position Davies - average - at best O’Brien - average /good - showed potential Hendrick - average / good - can look good My conclusion is that McClaren has a tough job at this stage as we lack a few good and very good championship players in the team and squad at the moment . We have to many poor, or poor / average and average players in the team and squad to make a serious challenge for automatic promotion. Are my ratings fair ? Do we need about 5 or 6 better players adding ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Grant - average Wisdom - average/good Keogh - average Buxton - average Forsyth - poor Eustace - good (Current form) Bryson - Very good (One of the best players in the league) Hughes - good Ward - good Dawkins - average/good so far Martin - good Subs v Brum Morch - no idea Freeman - poor defending, average attacking Smith - average Jacobs - good whenever he's been given a chance Bennett - average Sammon - Very poor Ball - poor To come back Barker - Hopefully good Coutts - average Russell - good Davies - average O’Brien - poor/average Hendrick - good/very good My opinion - Only major problem with the first 11 is the left back. We have THE best midfield in the league when Hendrick is fit (Slighty biased but oh well) and our attack is up there with the best (the amount of goals we score supports this). Our squad is still really young and will continue to improve. McClaren has got a much easier job than most Championship managers, he's taken over a club that has a player worth 10 million +, a team with really low wages in relation to other teams (Not forced to sell anyone to lower wage bill) and he has a team of youngsters who can only get better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagemeat Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 Im changing Forsyth to poor- he's crap - dont know what i was thinking about !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 You say that but Burnley are top of the league and flying - and without many very good Championship players really. Just shows that anything can happen if you get a decent team spirit and start on a good run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobram Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 This is stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Im changing Forsyth to poor- he's crap - dont know what i was thinking about !! Well at least you're starting to face up to the issue now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BOB BIGGS Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Do we need about 5 or 6 better players adding ? Probably 3 or 4. Now where's that extra £5m we've been after for the last year or two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North_Stand_Ram Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Grant - average Wisdom - Very good Keogh - average Buxton - average Forsyth - poor Eustace - good Bryson - Very good (One of the best players in the league) Hughes - very good Ward - very good Dawkins - averag Martin - good Subs v Brum Morch - no idea Freeman - average Smith - average Jacobs - average Bennett - average Sammon - Poor Ball - poor To come back Barker - good? Coutts - average Russell - good Davies - average O’Brien - average Hendrick - very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagemeat Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 This is stupid What talking about the quality of our squad ? what do you want to do ? not discuss it ? get your head out of the sand ffs ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbydave96 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Think the OP is very harsh in ratings of Martin and Bryson in particular For me: Grant - average/good Wisdom - good Keogh - poor/average Buxton - average Forsyth - poor Eustace - good Bryson - v good (excellent in fact) Hughes - v good Ward - good/v good (when he plays for the team!) Martin - good Dawkins - average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 The previous manager has left McClaren with an absolute shambles of a squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobram Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 What talking about the quality of our squad ? what do you want to do ? not discuss it ? get your head out of the sand ffs ! But whats the point ? why have you thought to do this now ? We are 8th in the league and the majority of the time play good football. Yes some of the players are out of their depth and not 'promotion type players', but i'm sure that Macca is looking to change that. I don't think the squad is that bad. Maybe a few changes and we are a 'play off' team. just seems like a negative post for no reason. 5-6 players away from challenging ? I think more like 2-3. p.s I don't have any sand to put my head in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Are we still arguing this? All we need to do is cut out the terrible defensive mistakes, that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I must have watched a different Bryson. Apart from this season since Hendrick has been injured I used to watch him and Jeff run around chasing shadows. Most lightweight midfield you'd see in a team that barely ever won the majority of possession. He looks the part now but before this I thought he was just decent/average. Top Championship players that you'd expect in a top 6 side Ward Hughes Martin Lower midtable players that you'd only see in a top 6 side struggling to keep up; Forsyth Sammon O'Brien Doyle Bavies Everyone else looks like they would be found around midtable and should their team go up or down they'd find themselves eventually back in the Championship. Special mentions to Hendrick and Bryson who in top form look like they could be top end quality. But they need more consistency and they've had injuries at key times. Hughes while has perhaps drifted off a bit I think it's because he's often expected to do so much. The lad is classy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagemeat Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 But whats the point ? why have you thought to do this now ? We are 8th in the league and the majority of the time play good football. Yes some of the players are out of their depth and not 'promotion type players', but i'm sure that Macca is looking to change that. I don't think the squad is that bad. Maybe a few changes and we are a 'play off' team. just seems like a negative post for no reason. 5-6 players away from challenging ? I think more like 2-3. p.s I don't have any sand to put my head in It wasnt meant to be a negative post - it was meant to simply discuss the next 2 and a half years plan set out by McClaren !! you even agree we need more quality in the squad !! thats the whole point !!!! if you think we only need 2 to 3 players in our 18 man first team squad to achieve automatic promotion you are deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagemeat Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 Think the OP is very harsh in ratings of Martin and Bryson in particular For me: Grant - average/good Wisdom - good Keogh - poor/average Buxton - average Forsyth - poor Eustace - good Bryson - v good (excellent in fact) Hughes - v good Ward - good/v good (when he plays for the team!) Martin - good Dawkins - average I rated Bryson as good to very good - is that wrong ? I rated Martin as average - is he better than that ? if he is why have higher clubs not been interested in him ? get real ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I stopped reading when you gave Coutts and O'Brien a higher rating than Russell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcidaho Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Think this is a good thread personally. What's wrong with having a look at the squad now the dust is settling on Schteves reign, analysing the job ahead...? Agree with all of sausagemeats original ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcidaho Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Actually yeah I'm not so sure about Coutts either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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