uttoxram75 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I rated Bryson as good to very good - is that wrong ? I rated Martin as average - is he better than that ? if he is why have higher clubs not been interested in him ? get real ffs Calm down sausagemeat, have you got a cob on? you've asked for opinions! not every body will agree with yours.....for instance, you are definitely wrong about Martin. IMO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr Tibbs Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I rated Bryson as good to very good - is that wrong ? I rated Martin as average - is he better than that ? if he is why have higher clubs not been interested in him ? get real ffs I think Bryson has been very good so far. What more do you want from him to push him into that category? Martin would be classed as good too for me. I'd imagine not many clubs were keen on taking a chance on him after his lack of football and unsuccessful loan spells at lower league teams than ourselves. Nige did and it's paid off, he's been good to very good for me this season. Goals, assists, very good link up play. One of few players who have genuine technical ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Grant - average Wisdom - good/very good Keogh - poor Buxton - average Forsyth - poor Eustace - average/good Bryson - good Hughes - average/good Ward - average/good Dawkins - average Martin - good Sammon - off the ******* scale poor. Morch - based of watching warm up. Very poor. Jacobs - average Bennett - average Smith - average Freeman - average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I think this is a very simplistic way of looking at the squad, it's as much about balance as quality of players. Look at the midfield - Hendrick, Hughes, Bryson, Coutts and Ward are all good players. Put them across the midfield all together and, as we have consistently proven, you get a lightweight midfield that is overrun by players of a lesser quality. Drop Eustace into the middle of a selection of them and you see a very different type of midfield i.e. one that can compete with just about anyone in the Championship. Same can be said at centre half. I don't think that either Keogh or Buxton are bad Championship defenders. However, we have proved over time they do not make a pairing that works - something that Nigel failed to acknowledge and, I suspect, if he had would have saved his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I think this is a very simplistic way of looking at the squad, it's as much about balance as quality of players. Look at the midfield - Hendrick, Hughes, Bryson, Coutts and Ward are all good players. Put them across the midfield all together and, as we have consistently proven, you get a lightweight midfield that is overrun by players of a lesser quality. Drop Eustace into the middle of a selection of them and you see a very different type of midfield i.e. one that can compete with just about anyone in the Championship. Same can be said at centre half. I don't think that either Keogh or Buxton are bad Championship defenders. However, we have proved over time they do not make a pairing that works - something that Nigel failed to acknowledge and, I suspect, if he had would have saved his job. Its a good point you make there. The best players don't necessarily make the best team. Some players just complement each other, some don't. Lampard and Gerrard in the England team are probably the best example. Both excellent at what they do but they don't dovetail somehow for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notts_ram Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 As we know McClaren has a 2 ½ year plan to be in the prem. How do we know that? Is that on top of the 4.5 years Clough was given so its actually a 6.5 year plan by the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagemeat Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 How do we know that? Is that on top of the 4.5 years Clough was given so its actually a 6.5 year plan by the board? Because McClaren said that !! The boards time plan overall is a different matter , i just mentioned what McClaren had said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagemeat Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 I think Bryson has been very good so far. What more do you want from him to push him into that category? Martin would be classed as good too for me. I'd imagine not many clubs were keen on taking a chance on him after his lack of football and unsuccessful loan spells at lower league teams than ourselves. Nige did and it's paid off, he's been good to very good for me this season. Goals, assists, very good link up play. One of few players who have genuine technical ability. I like Bryson , like most players his performance level will alter in different games I think Bryson has played some good games , i also think he has played some very good games. Hence my rating Good /Very good - it is only my opinion - we will all differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I think this is a very simplistic way of looking at the squad, it's as much about balance as quality of players. Look at the midfield - Hendrick, Hughes, Bryson, Coutts and Ward are all good players. Put them across the midfield all together and, as we have consistently proven, you get a lightweight midfield that is overrun by players of a lesser quality. Drop Eustace into the middle of a selection of them and you see a very different type of midfield i.e. one that can compete with just about anyone in the Championship. Same can be said at centre half. I don't think that either Keogh or Buxton are bad Championship defenders. However, we have proved over time they do not make a pairing that works - something that Nigel failed to acknowledge and, I suspect, if he had would have saved his job. This thread is so vague with comments like 'good' or 'average' that it means Jack Tish in looking at the players attributes and how they fit into the side. If the OP had put at least 150/200 words on why he thinks a player is worthy of a future place going forward it might mean a bit more - but "ooh I rate him as poor/average" is hardly worth the read.The abuse the OP hands out to those who disagree with him makes him 'very poor to poor' as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheepshagarmy Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Grant - average Wisdom - too early to tell (obviously has talent though) Keogh - poor Buxton - average Forsyth - absolute **** Eustace - average Bryson - good/very good Hughes - very good Ward - average/good (too inconsistent) Dawkins - average Martin - good Sammon - poor Morch - never seen him play (have to agree with 'troydyer's post about warm up, at Watford he dropped everything) Jacobs - average Bennett - average Smith - average Freeman - average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 How do we know that? Is that on top of the 4.5 years Clough was given so its actually a 6.5 year plan by the board? It's the length of his contract, and (I should imagine) if he fails to have achieved promotion by then, we will possibly be looking elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Also, Buxton - World Class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Also, Buxton - World Class.Buckenbaur played out of his skin Saturday what has Steve done to him.LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormantonRam Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Grant - good/very good Wisdom - good/very good Keogh - average/good Buxton - good Forsyth - average Eustace - good Bryson - good Hughes - good Ward - good Dawkins - average/good Martin - average/good Sammon - Sell him. Jacobs - sell him Bennett - loan him out. Smith - send back to Spurs Freeman - loan him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 What the hell, I'll play along... Grant - average/good Wisdom - good Keogh - average Buxton - average Forsyth - poor/average Eustace - good Hughes - good/very good Bryson - good/very good Ward - average/good Martin - good/very good Russell - good Legzdins - average Freeman - average Smith - poor/average Barker - good Whitbread - average/good OB - average Bavies - average Dawkins - average Jacobs - average/good Sammon - poor/average Bennett - average Overall, I'd say the squad was average/good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausagemeat Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 This thread is so vague with comments like 'good' or 'average' that it means Jack Tish in looking at the players attributes and how they fit into the side. If the OP had put at least 150/200 words on why he thinks a player is worthy of a future place going forward it might mean a bit more - but "ooh I rate him as poor/average" is hardly worth the read.The abuse the OP hands out to those who disagree with him makes him 'very poor to poor' as well. 150/200 words per player ? x 17 = 2550 to 3400 word opening post - seems a bit long to me ? poor / average / good / very good ratings were good enough for the education system and used in schools naytionally. Do you not class a player as good or very good or poor ? I do not believe i have abused anybody to be honest - I have responded positively to snide or silly comments made to or about me thats all. I also put on my OP - Are my ratings fair ? Thus encouraging opinions and dialogue.... I am learning quickly on this forum .... if you say anything at all there are a few people just waiting to be negative and slag you off...which seems pathetic to me... Some really good posters as well of course who dont just seem to insult people for no reason.... they are the ones that post sensible comments in the spirit of the threads ..... to discuss DCFC ....COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 150/200 words per player ? x 17 = 2550 to 3400 word opening post - seems a bit long to me ? poor / average / good / very good ratings were good enough for the education system and used in schools naytionally. Do you not class a player as good or very good or poor ? I do not believe i have abused anybody to be honest - I have responded positively to snide or silly comments made to or about me thats all. I also put on my OP - Are my ratings fair ? Thus encouraging opinions and dialogue.... I am learning quickly on this forum .... if you say anything at all there are a few people just waiting to be negative and slag you off...which seems pathetic to me... Some really good posters as well of course who dont just seem to insult people for no reason.... they are the ones that post sensible comments in the spirit of the threads ..... to discuss DCFC ....COYR A cursory glance through the thread shows you've told one person to 'get their head out of the sand, FFS', one to 'get real' and one that 'you are deluded', comments which I find always stimulate intelligent debate amongst a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 150/200 words per player ? x 17 = 2550 to 3400 word opening post - seems a bit long to me ? poor / average / good / very good ratings were good enough for the education system and used in schools naytionally. Do you not class a player as good or very good or poor ? I do not believe i have abused anybody to be honest - I have responded positively to snide or silly comments made to or about me thats all. I also put on my OP - Are my ratings fair ? Thus encouraging opinions and dialogue.... I am learning quickly on this forum .... if you say anything at all there are a few people just waiting to be negative and slag you off...which seems pathetic to me... Some really good posters as well of course who dont just seem to insult people for no reason.... they are the ones that post sensible comments in the spirit of the threads ..... to discuss DCFC ....COYR Then pick one or two players at a time - what are their attributes in your view? what do you see as their failings, what can be done to improve them, how do they fit into the systems, from your position in the stands do they have an awareness of what is happening around them, do they have any pace (do they need any), if you don't feel that they are what is needed do you think they can be sold (is there a market for them) - or you could just analyse them with one word if you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Grant - good/very good Wisdom - good/very good Keogh - average/good Buxton - good Forsyth - average Eustace - good Bryson - good Hughes - good Ward - good Dawkins - average/good Martin - average/goodSammon - Sell him. Jacobs - sell him Bennett - loan him out. Smith - send back to Spurs Freeman - loan him out We wouldn't have much of a squad if you were in charge Normo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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