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That was my understanding too. EFL are keen to spin all sorts of things to draw attention away from the issue with the hyenas by going on about it being the administrators fault for not naming a preferred bidder despite the obvious stumbling block over the massive variation what they might in theory be required to pay due to actions of other clubs. The HMRC have (I believe) been involved in talks and agreed a potential way forward but obviously if opportunist ambulance chasers suddenly want a slice of a finite pie which leaves them with less money then that agreement cannot move forward. Whatever way the EFL like to spin this, the claims by Boro and Wycombe are the things that are preventing a resolution and the EFL have encouraged these claims by their inaction and are allowing it to undermine any rescue.
I read a comment on the Boro forum about hoping that Gibson 'taking us to the cleaners' and I just thought 'You really don't get this do you'. This action will not work because it kills a takeover if it succeeds. If there is no takeover then there is liquidation and the incredibly limited assets that will produce 1/20th of bugger all as at present we have almost no assets - no ground, playing staff all on about-to-expire contracts. There has been a great deal of 'High Horse' pontificating about nasty Derby denying tax payers money to HMRC. If Boro get their way and are added as a football creditor and we are inevitably liquidated as a result then the tax payer will get sod all. How's the view from that High Horse now then ?

That was my understanding too. EFL are keen to spin all sorts of things to draw attention away from the issue with the hyenas by going on about it being the administrators fault for not naming a preferred bidder despite the obvious stumbling block over the massive variation what they might in theory be required to pay due to actions of other clubs. The HMRC have (I believe) been involved in talks and agreed a potential way forward but obviously if opportunist ambulance chasers suddenly want a slice of a finite pie which leaves them with less money then that agreement cannot move forward. Whatever way the EFL like to spin this, the claims by Boro and Wycombe are the things that are preventing a resolution and the EFL have encouraged these claims by their inaction and are allowing it to undermine any rescue.
I read a comment on the Boro forum about hoping that Gibson 'taking us to the cleaners' and I just thought 'You really don't get this do you'. This action will not work because it kills a takeover if it succeeds. If there is no takeover then there is liquidation and the incredibly limited assets that will produce 1/20th of bugger all as at present we have almost no assets - no ground, playing staff all on about-to-expire contracts. There has been a great deal of 'High Horse' pontificating about nasty Derby denying tax payers money to HMRC. If Boro get their way and are added as a football creditor and we are inevitably liquidated as a result then the tax payer will get sod all. How's the view from that High Horse now then ?

That was my understanding too. EFL are keen to spin all sorts of things to draw attention away from the issue with the hyenas by going on about it being the administrators fault for not naming a preferred bidder despite the obvious stumbling block over the massive variation what they might in theory be required to pay due to actions of other clubs. The HMRC have (I believe) been involved in talks and agreed a potential way forward but obviously if opportunist ambulance chasers suddenly want a slice of a finite pie which leaves them with less money then that agreement cannot move forward. Whatever way the EFL like to spin this, the claims by Boro and Wycombe are the things that are preventing a resolution and the EFL have encouraged these claims by their inaction and are allowing it to undermine any rescue.
I read a comment on the Boro forum about hoping that Gibson 'taking us to the cleaners' and I just thought 'You really don't get this do you'. This action will not work because it kills a takeover if it succeeds. If there is no takeover then there is liquidation and the incredibly limited assets that will produce 1/20th of bugger all as at present we have almost no assets - no ground, playing staff all on about-to-expire contracts. There has been a great deal of 'High Horse' pontificating about nasty Derby denying tax payers money to HMRC. If Boro get their way and are added as a football creditor and we are inevitably liquidated as a result then the tax payer will get sod all. How's the view from that High Horse now then ?

That was my understanding too. EFL are keen to spin all sorts of things to draw attention away from the issue with the hyenas by going on about it being the administrators fault for not naming a preferred bidder despite the obvious stumbling block over the massive variation what they might in theory be required to pay due to actions of other clubs. The HMRC have (I believe) been involved in talks and agreed a potential way forward but obviously if opportunist ambulance chasers suddenly want a slice of a finite pie which leaves them with less money then that agreement cannot move forward. Whatever way the EFL like to spin this, the claims by Boro and Wycombe are the things that are preventing a resolution and the EFL have encouraged these claims by their inaction and are allowing it to undermine any rescue.
I read a comment on the Boro forum about hoping that Gibson 'taking us to the cleaners' and I just thought 'You really don't get this do you'. This action will not work because it kills a takeover if it succeeds. If there is no takeover then there is liquidation and the incredibly limited assets that will produce 1/20th of bugger all as at present we have almost no assets - no ground, playing staff all on about-to-expire contracts. There has been a great deal of 'High Horse' pontificating about nasty Derby denying tax payers money to HMRC. If Boro get their way and are added as a football creditor and we are inevitably liquidated as a result then the tax payer will get sod all. How's the view from that High Horse now then ?

That was my understanding too. EFL are keen to spin all sorts of things to draw attention away from the issue with the hyenas by going on about it being the administrators fault for not naming a preferred bidder despite the obvious stumbling block over the massive variation what they might in theory be required to pay due to actions of other clubs. The HMRC have (I believe) been involved in talks and agreed a potential way forward but obviously if opportunist ambulance chasers suddenly want a slice of a finite pie which leaves them with less money then that agreement cannot move forward. Whatever way the EFL like to spin this, the claims by Boro and Wycombe are the things that are preventing a resolution and the EFL have encouraged these claims by their inaction and are allowing it to undermine any rescue.
I read a comment on the Boro forum about hoping that Gibson 'taking us to the cleaners' and I just thought 'You really don't get this do you'. This action will not work because it kills a takeover if it succeeds. If there is no takeover then there is liquidation and the incredibly limited assets that will produce 1/20th of bugger all as at present we have almost no assets - no ground, playing staff all on about-to-expire contracts. There has been a great deal of 'High Horse' pontificating about nasty Derby denying tax payers money to HMRC. If Boro get their way and are added as a football creditor and we are inevitably liquidated as a result then the tax payer will get sod all. How's the view from that High Horse now then ?

That was my understanding too. EFL are keen to spin all sorts of things to draw attention away from the issue with the hyenas by going on about it being the administrators fault for not naming a preferred bidder despite the obvious stumbling block over the massive variation what they might in theory be required to pay due to actions of other clubs. The HMRC have (I believe) been involved in talks and agreed a potential way forward but obviously if opportunist ambulance chasers suddenly want a slice of a finite pie which leaves them with less money then that agreement cannot move forward. Whatever way the EFL like to spin this, the claims by Boro and Wycombe are the things that are preventing a resolution and the EFL have encouraged these claims by their inaction and are allowing it to undermine any rescue.
I read a comment on the Boro forum about hoping that Gibson 'taking us to the cleaners' and I just thought 'You really don't get this do you'. This action will not work because it kills a takeover if it succeeds. If there is no takeover then there is liquidation and the incredibly limited assets that will produce 1/20th of bugger all as at present we have almost no assets - no ground, playing staff all on about-to-expire contracts. There has been a great deal of 'High Horse' pontificating about nasty Derby denying tax payers money to HMRC. If Boro get their way and are added as a football creditor and we are inevitably liquidated as a result then the tax payer will get sod all. How's the view from that High Horse now then ?

That was my understanding too. EFL are keen to spin all sorts of things to draw attention away from the issue with the hyenas by going on about it being the administrators fault for not naming a preferred bidder despite the obvious stumbling block over the massive variation what they might in theory be required to pay due to actions of other clubs. The HMRC have (I believe) been involved in talks and agreed a potential way forward but obviously if opportunist ambulance chasers suddenly want a slice of a finite pie which leaves them with less money then that agreement cannot move forward. Whatever way the EFL like to spin this, the claims by Boro and Wycombe are the things that are preventing a resolution and the EFL have encouraged these claims by their inaction and are allowing it to undermine any rescue.
I read a comment on the Boro forum about hoping that Gibson 'taking us to the cleaners' and I just thought 'You really don't get this do you'. This action will not work because it kills a takeover if it succeeds. If there is no takeover then there is liquidation and the incredibly limited assets that will produce 1/20th of bugger all as at present we have almost no assets - no ground, playing staff all on about-to-expire contracts. There has been a great deal of 'High Horse' pontificating about nasty Derby denying tax payers money to HMRC. If Boro get their way and are added as a football creditor and we are inevitably liquidated as a result then the tax payer will get sod all. How's the view from that High Horse now then ?

I just hope that no one in the football world forgets the unique factor in our current situation and that is the claims of two other EFL members......never done before and will probably never be done again because of rule changes.
 
We've taken our punishment and probably the longest embargo ever, all the less visible punishments have hurt us as much as the points deductions.
Have the EFL not noticed that media coverage has lost interest in the promotion race, and is now more interested in DCFC survival fight?? DCFC is the story and the EFL once again just dont get it.
I think we will survive, but I KNOW, we won't FORGET.

No no, on the contrary ! We're all high 5'ing each other at how awesomely great our situation is and are planning our imminent Champions League campaign ?

To be honest if they are looking at a football forum and picking out the post they like or wish to use more or less sums up their intelligence. I have read a few posts on there and I can see a few sensible posts from people who do state a few facts which go straight over the majority of them heads because it doesn’t fit their agenda or Gibbon hasn’t told them this. After 5 minutes I came off wondering if some of them know which way round they sit on the toilet.

No no, on the contrary ! We're all high 5'ing each other at how awesomely great our situation is and are planning our imminent Champions League campaign ?

No no, on the contrary ! We're all high 5'ing each other at how awesomely great our situation is and are planning our imminent Champions League campaign ?

No no, on the contrary ! We're all high 5'ing each other at how awesomely great our situation is and are planning our imminent Champions League campaign ?

Something else that is seriously irritating are some of the completely ill-informed nonsense and some outright lies being told on the Boro forum. Take this absolute whopper for example:
"Derby fans are now saying on their forum how any new owner is going to get a great deal now that only a % of the debt will be paid and they are getting a team debt free with good stadium, training ground and tier 1 academy! The lack of contrition and absolute brass neck of their fans is astounding!"
No.. we... are... not... what absolute horse sh@t. Perhaps you can find a rare post in 550 pages... be my guest. The chief concern and opinion of the vast majority is that with the level of debts even ignoring Boro and Wycombe are borderline unviable as it stands, hence the concern that this sort of opportunism if successful just renders any deal impossible.

To be fair there are a few more sensible posts that seem to have grasped an understanding of the situation.
"By law the administrators have to act in the best interests of the creditors of Derby County.
Their assessment could be that flogging off assets cheaply now to fund the wages of those remaining would guarantee relegation at end of the season & thereby reduce the amount someone would be willing to pay for the club. Retaining them gives them a fighting chance of staying up increasing the amount someone would pay and the creditors receive."
and
"Part of the issue here is that Derby haven’t buckled on the field. I think if they’d been 15 points from safety then demands for their team to be further ripped apart would be far less common. They’ve lost six players in this window and lost 21 in the last summer window. They’ve added scraps here and there and have a load of kids playing in the first team. If nobody comes in for Bielik or Lawrence them what do they do? You can’t just bin their contracts or force them to move."
Dunno where 21 came from tbh and OK, so we know that we were offered a bag of crisps for Lawrence but nothing that would materially affect our situation financially, just weakens a team that has an outside chance of staying up despite the points deductions. Bielik has only just managed his first minutes of football on Sunday 30th Jan after a year out with a serious injury. Who exactly would be queueing up to buy him ?
This one was priceless though: (re selling Plange)
"Thought they were in administration? Who get the transfer fee? Us?"
*head in hands*

Something else that is seriously irritating are some of the completely ill-informed nonsense and some outright lies being told on the Boro forum. Take this absolute whopper for example:
"Derby fans are now saying on their forum how any new owner is going to get a great deal now that only a % of the debt will be paid and they are getting a team debt free with good stadium, training ground and tier 1 academy! The lack of contrition and absolute brass neck of their fans is astounding!"
No.. we... are... not... what absolute horse sh@t. Perhaps you can find a rare post in 550 pages... be my guest. The chief concern and opinion of the vast majority is that with the level of debts even ignoring Boro and Wycombe are borderline unviable as it stands, hence the concern that this sort of opportunism if successful just renders any deal impossible.

To be fair there are a few more sensible posts that seem to have grasped an understanding of the situation.
"By law the administrators have to act in the best interests of the creditors of Derby County.
Their assessment could be that flogging off assets cheaply now to fund the wages of those remaining would guarantee relegation at end of the season & thereby reduce the amount someone would be willing to pay for the club. Retaining them gives them a fighting chance of staying up increasing the amount someone would pay and the creditors receive."
and
"Part of the issue here is that Derby haven’t buckled on the field. I think if they’d been 15 points from safety then demands for their team to be further ripped apart would be far less common. They’ve lost six players in this window and lost 21 in the last summer window. They’ve added scraps here and there and have a load of kids playing in the first team. If nobody comes in for Bielik or Lawrence them what do they do? You can’t just bin their contracts or force them to move."
Dunno where 21 came from tbh and OK, so we know that we were offered a bag of crisps for Lawrence but nothing that would materially affect our situation financially, just weakens a team that has an outside chance of staying up despite the points deductions. Bielik has only just managed his first minutes of football on Sunday 30th Jan after a year out with a serious injury. Who exactly would be queueing up to buy him ?
This one was priceless though: (re selling Plange)
"Thought they were in administration? Who get the transfer fee? Us?"
*head in hands*

All the other clubs are off doing their own frantic calculations. 
“If we sue x for £x, will that be more or less than y suing us for £y?”
The whole things a joke. Anything other than a result in our favour kills not just us but the game itself as a sporting contest. A better advert for why the EFL needs taking down to the bottom of the farthest field with a bolt gun you’ll never find.

And I worry also that arbitration sounds a bit like 'Well give them half then..' which is no more viable and thus pointless. Arbitration is just a way of finding a compromise position/number not deciding right vs wrong but anything that is not a tiny fraction of the insane numbers claimed is just not going to happen and even a tiny fraction is going to have to come straight out of the pockets of a potential owner because the club hasn't got a pot to piss in, in fact it has about minus 50 million pots. As we have seen, potential owners are not going to take well to taking any kind of additional hit unless possibly it is a token amount hence no PB still.
And before poorly informed lunatics from other clubs with an exe to grind say "Wah wah wah.. sell some players then", well in case you hadn't noticed 1) We have, (what is it) 5/6 players sold or contracts expired in the past few weeks alone ? plus all those who walked last summer and 2) Much of the rest of the squad is out of contract in the summer due to endless embargoes so is worth sod all in transfer fees. We are left with the vast majority of this paper thin squad this year has been young lads, frees and players on the brink of retirement and the odd journeyman who have performed absolute heroics in an impossible situation and we are immensely proud of each and every one of them.

I know exactly what you mean.... ☹️

And I worry also that arbitration sounds a bit like 'Well give them half then..' which is no more viable and thus pointless. Arbitration is just a way of finding a compromise position/number not deciding right vs wrong but anything that is not a tiny fraction of the insane numbers claimed is just not going to happen and even a tiny fraction is going to have to come straight out of the pockets of a potential owner because the club hasn't got a pot to piss in, in fact it has about minus 50 million pots. As we have seen, potential owners are not going to take well to taking any kind of additional hit unless possibly it is a token amount hence no PB still.
And before poorly informed lunatics from other clubs with an exe to grind say "Wah wah wah.. sell some players then", well in case you hadn't noticed 1) We have, (what is it) 5/6 players sold or contracts expired in the past few weeks alone ? plus all those who walked last summer and 2) Much of the rest of the squad is out of contract in the summer due to endless embargoes so is worth sod all in transfer fees. We are left with the vast majority of this paper thin squad this year has been young lads, frees and players on the brink of retirement and the odd journeyman who have performed absolute heroics in an impossible situation and we are immensely proud of each and every one of them.

And I worry also that arbitration sounds a bit like 'Well give them half then..' which is no more viable and thus pointless. Arbitration is just a way of finding a compromise position/number not deciding right vs wrong but anything that is not a tiny fraction of the insane numbers claimed is just not going to happen and even a tiny fraction is going to have to come straight out of the pockets of a potential owner because the club hasn't got a pot to piss in, in fact it has about minus 50 million pots. As we have seen, potential owners are not going to take well to taking any kind of additional hit unless possibly it is a token amount hence no PB still.
And before poorly informed lunatics from other clubs with an exe to grind say "Wah wah wah.. sell some players then", well in case you hadn't noticed 1) We have, (what is it) 5/6 players sold or contracts expired in the past few weeks alone ? plus all those who walked last summer and 2) Much of the rest of the squad is out of contract in the summer due to endless embargoes so is worth sod all in transfer fees. We are left with the vast majority of this paper thin squad this year has been young lads, frees and players on the brink of retirement and the odd journeyman who have performed absolute heroics in an impossible situation and we are immensely proud of each and every one of them.

And I worry also that arbitration sounds a bit like 'Well give them half then..' which is no more viable and thus pointless. Arbitration is just a way of finding a compromise position/number not deciding right vs wrong but anything that is not a tiny fraction of the insane numbers claimed is just not going to happen and even a tiny fraction is going to have to come straight out of the pockets of a potential owner because the club hasn't got a pot to piss in, in fact it has about minus 50 million pots. As we have seen, potential owners are not going to take well to taking any kind of additional hit unless possibly it is a token amount hence no PB still.
And before poorly informed lunatics from other clubs with an exe to grind say "Wah wah wah.. sell some players then", well in case you hadn't noticed 1) We have, (what is it) 5/6 players sold or contracts expired in the past few weeks alone ? plus all those who walked last summer and 2) Much of the rest of the squad is out of contract in the summer due to endless embargoes so is worth sod all in transfer fees. We are left with the vast majority of this paper thin squad this year has been young lads, frees and players on the brink of retirement and the odd journeyman who have performed absolute heroics in an impossible situation and we are immensely proud of each and every one of them.

I know exactly what you mean.... ☹️

I know exactly what you mean.... ☹️

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001426t
Link here and also available on the BBC Sounds app. Liam’s interview starts at the 1 hour 40 mins mark.
Said Shinnie was in tears when told he was being sold a couple weeks ago.

No one has ever claimed they are responsible for the debt have they? 
 
So is he trying to add some credibility to his otherwise ridiculous points and justifying his case by stating the obvious and trying to make out Wycombe are being falsely accused of something?