Tyler Durden

3 minutes ago, Andicis said:

So you were entertained yesterday? I wasn't. It was s****.

The direction I can see is based on performances in the last month. Which have dipped significantly since the levels shown in the Wigan game. The recent trend is not positive, our results have stayed positive as since Peterborough we've had a comparatively easy run of fixtures. Burying your head in the sand is not the answer.

Nobody wants to lose. The two options are not s**** football and win or good football and lose. There is a middle ground. 

Again, nobody expects us to play like Liverpool or Man City. But we can expect better than what is being produced. 

9 minutes ago, Andicis said:

The performance *does* matter. And it's not unreasonable to state that since Wigan away, the performances have been nowhere near good enough. 

Fans pay to be entertained, to watch a Derby team that brightens up their week. Fans aren't happy because the football is a poor watch, and that has happened too often this season. Alienating the fanbase is not a good decision, and this football alienates the fanbase. 

Additionally, whilst yes we managed to squeak past Cheltenham, but it's hardly a performance that inspires confidence that we will go to Charlton and win next week. 

Fans are concerned, yes there may be some booing the team and being unfair around CBT, but the majority of fans voicing an opinion post the game are concerned with the direction that we're heading. 

I thought that footy fans turned up to see their team win.

Again that's just a generalisation to match yours. 

16 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

Only a handful of people know what restrictions we may be under , but we are losing £300 k a month . Clowes will know - that is not sustainable.

Which football clubs outside of the Premier League make a YOY operational profit 

20 minutes ago, Leeds Ram said:

I think the fear is (which I have) is that if we're playing like this in league 1 what on earth will we be doing in the championship. We all know Warne's record in the championship with Rotherham and the more people are seeing the more people are likely thinking it was not a lack of resources solely at fault for his dismal record there but the type of play he instills in a team. I do think he'll get us up (just through the playoffs) either this season or next because of the resource gap between us and other teams. However, I've got no faith in his 'football' in the long term. 

I think we have to worry about getting out of this league first before we start musing on whether Warne is the right person to keep us up in the Championship.

But you may get what you wish for if it takes us another full season for us to get promoted which will see Warne towards the end of his contract so should be more affordable to get rid of if we do have a poor start.

Assuming he isn't given a contract extension when we do get promoted in this scenario obviously.

40 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

Relative to the league we are in, yes. Warne has a squad that is as good as, if not better than they had relative to the league they were in.

The idea that Warne is some impoverished coach with no resources and a begging bowl is utter nonsense. Our wage bill (even on our business plan), pulling power as a club (purely on size), facilities etc eclipse the rest of the division with maybe one or two exceptions.

We are currently less than the sum our parts and ultimately the buck stops with the manager.

Am sure Warne said last night that we were outbid for a player by a team in the same league as us

Just now, Chellaston Ram said:

We can only get away with playing poorly and winning for so long, the manager doesn’t appear to be addressing the issue .

How about getting away with playing well but losing.

I'd call losing games more of an issue but that's just me I guess...

3 minutes ago, IlsonDerby said:

 

Honestly wish I’d have been doing wedding prep. This season would be class if all you do is look for the results rolling in on final score. The fact is that player for player we are better on paper than probably 20-22 of the teams in this division. Now football isn’t played on paper but it’s the coaches job to ensure that the position of the club is at least par with the budget the club has compared to the rest of the division otherwise he’s failing. 
 

If at the end of the season we don’t finish top 2-3 then we’ll have performed under par. That doesn’t necessarily mean you sack someone but if in the next 17 matches we can’t string together at least 10 convincing points performances then I’ll be questioning what we are actually building towards because he’ll have had over 1 and a half seasons and 3 transfer windows. 

By this point things should be coming together. it should be getting clearer and clearer to see what his ideal football blueprint looks like and us getting closer to it. The last 180 minutes of football haven’t been that. 

 

It isn’t black and white is it? If we’d played well but the same things in the match unfolded - ie we go in to half time at 0-0, then go 1-0 down early in the second half before coming back and winning 2-1 then I think the fans walk away content and happy with the result. 
 

For context I was happy enough with the Burton game (my bar isn’t that high) - felt daft mistakes let them in but otherwise we were in control of the match for 75 minutes. How much of the match were we in control for yesterday? 
 

 

When people demand better performances we’re not being entitled. You’ve literally got the manager saying the performance wasn’t good enough in the post match interview - is he entitled? 
 

The only difference is - Warne thinks he’s the man to get us to those excellent performances consistently. I’ve seen enough over the last year and half to know he can get us to perform well but I’ve seen absolutely nothing to suggest he can get us to do it consistently…

I asked an open question; would folks on here be happier if we'd played well but lost the game instead.

1 hour ago, MACKWORTHRAM said:

Honestly some of our fans are genuinely awful. The sense of entitlement some of them have is absolutely staggering.

Yesterday was all about winning. The performance didn't matter. We're absolutely littered with injuries.

Now I'm seeing "Blackett-Taylor hadn't really shown anything yet" he's been here 5 minutes, trained with us twice. I despair I really do.

All I hear is "we aren't good enough, Peterborough are better than us, Bolton are better than us" 

Says who? Of course Peterborough were brilliant when they came here. But that was the same Peterborough side we put 4 past on their own ground? Bolton also just scraped past Cheltenham, Bolton lost at Leyton Orient. 

Oxford fans watching us that second half at their ground would have thought we were the best team in the league, we were outstanding.

You cannot play well every week. 

 

You can quite easily play the game of pin the quote to the poster on here, some of the replies are that predictable.

In this instance no surprises. 

7 hours ago, Dava75 said:

Who said it was “All about results” ?? 

Henry Russell Sanders 

1 minute ago, Jimbo Ram said:

Be nice to play well and win 😉

Don't ask for much do you 😏

Would folks be happy if we'd played well and lost 

Ofc we should be beating teams like Cheltenham at home, goes without saying 

1 minute ago, Andicis said:

Not walking into a typically dead end discussion with you Tyler, if you can't understand my clearly outlined initial point then I will bow out. 

I can understand it, it's just absolute fantasy.

Apart from in your own mind I guess. 

3 minutes ago, Andicis said:

Yes, Ipswich should have beaten Maidstone. They didn't, but if I was an Ipswich fan I would be criticising their manager, I don't exactly see your point. 

It was really what your point was which I don't get

2 minutes ago, Andicis said:

A top side should beat a bottom side at home isn't arrogance. It's just what top sides should do.

Someone should tell Kieran McKenna that alleged truism. 

1 minute ago, Turk Thrust said:

I would have assumed that any reasonably intelligent person would know that my post references the position at the end of the season. Perhaps not though

And that was your second mistake.....

1 minute ago, sage said:

That post makes no sense.

You are asking how fans would cope which suggests a scenario that they are in charge, yet you just list things that are person in charge could change.

 

That makes both of our posts then 

2 minutes ago, Turk Thrust said:

Well, I cope by hoping desperately that we can somehow, despite playing really badly, haul ourselves into the play offs

We are in the playoffs though aren't we 🤔

3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

GoC suggested we crowdfund to pay for Warne's sacking.

Cool let me know when the kitty gets to a hundred quid and I'll chuck a penny in 

7 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said:

To be fair Tyler, other than our position in the league, I can’t believe that any fan is truly happy with the performances and football that has been served up. Do you disagree?

The items which seem to cause constant angst amongst a number of forum members regardless of our league position appear to be - in no particular order -

Warne as manager per se

Warnes tactics 

The current playing squad

Given that all 3 are unlikely to change over the short term I was pondering on how those forum members would cope with this reality?

Just now, sage said:

Other than we won, have you thought of anything?

It was a question to them really not me, musing on the things which seem to cause them so much unhappiness and the likelihood of those things changing over the short and medium term.

Just now, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

Our chances of finishing in the top two?

I was actually trying think of the positives for the folks who are clearly unhappy on this forum 

1 minute ago, IlsonDerby said:

Bloody hell are you not happy with Warne anymore???? 

Not at all.

I'm just thinking of all the forum members on here who clearly aren't happy and the long haul for them to the end of the season and beyond complaining about things that are not very likely to change for them. 

So we obviously are skint and the likelihood of further incomings this January are slim.

If we are skint then it follows that Warne won't be going anywhere any time soon.

Who seems unwilling or unable to change the modus operandi of his team.

So what changes then?

9 minutes ago, simmoram1995 said:

Three conflicting reports I’ve heard.

A) he’s refused a new contract 

B) has a hand injury 

C) fallen out with Warne 

So that wraps that argument up then.

1 hour ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

So can we agree that it's ok to be critical of aspects of the team/play/performances, but that personal abuse of our manager ist verboten?

That was never the question though.

It's not nearly as simplistic as that.