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I pray to god we start to find some form and Burton would be a good place to start.
If after 5 minutes there’s still a 20 yard gap between each of the centre backs, no midfielder screening them and both wing backs in the opponents half, it’ll be safe to assume we’re in for more of the same.
Only wish I was born in Nottingham so I’d have more fingers to cross. 

The goals didn't come out of the blue. In the last 2 games, we have survived three 1 on 1s.  Other than Wigan's second, the goals weren't against the run of play.

Was very frustrated an hour ago. Now I’ve calmed down, rational thought - at least it wasn’t a league game tonight. Need a result on Saturday, preferably a win. A clean sheet would do either way

Clowes doesn’t strike me as a man who is in the business of sacking a manager with 3 years on his contract. He’s not a typical football owner and seems to have a good relationship with Warne, so this is definitely a thread very wide of the mark. Look, from the fans point of view, anything less than promotion this season is a sackable offense and so it should be - I’m just not sure Clowes will be the one that instigates it. I feel there will be an amicable parting of ways at the end of the season if the club are still a League One side. 
Unless there is a good system in place at this club, it likely gets relegated from the Championship anyway. We have the benefit of having the biggest budget in the league at this level this season, but it would be one of the smallest in the championship. 

I read a couple of headlines from Derbyshire Live this morning:
"Nigel Clough wades in on Derby County struggles ahead of Crunch Clash"
"David Clowes sent Derby County transfer message by 'uber-paranoid' Paul Warne"
These are just sensationalist headlines for what purpose? Nigel Clough certainly didn't "wade" in and I am sure Paul Warne speaks with David Clowes on an almost daily basis and he is fully aware of Derby's requirements in the transfer window. 
Although in my 70s, I do try to keep up with technology as far as I can. I can't help but think that we are starting to live in a pretty toxic society, where many people want to voice their opinions about all sorts of topics and people on the Social Media. I have no problem with that per se, provided the opinions are based on fact or reasonable assumptions. I have no time for people who just seek sensationalism, winding people up or make hurtful, personal comments about others. I am happy for criticism of actual behaviour but not personal character assassination. Just imagine how you would feel if it was you who was the subject of these comments. You don't know the effect such comments can have on people -suicide, mental health issues or maybe just want a transfer away!
This Forum has voiced a few of those after the first couple of games of the season. There should be criticism of the team's and  individual's performances but please let's avoid personal, sensitive comments especially when these cannot be backed up with hard facts.
"Kane Wilson couldn't cross a road"  "scariest thing is we have bought two central defender who can't play football" "I guarantee Waghorn would have missed Wigan's first goal" "can stick his f****** why all up his arse" "Bird is more sparrow than golden eagle. An exhibition player not willing to break sweat. I'll drive him to Hull myself" "We've got a pub team manager in charge of a jugganaught" "Bradley has the mobility of a superglued traffic cone"
These were from just 2 posts on the Forum.
I'm not a prude but can we just think about what we are writing about and to other individuals. Hopefully, we all want all our players and staff to bring success to the Club - so lets show our support. 

Since when did rival fans tips or opinions become become relevant? 

We were never close to top two last season. We had a season to bed in after off the pitch turmoil, we weren't well equipped enough to go up last season on or off the pitch as a club in recovery.
What do you want? Us to fire Warne? With what money? Who would replace him? With what money? And what would we do about the squad Warne has assembled? We. Don't. Have. The. Money.
So stop the childish tantrums, it's two games in. We're a club under a financial business plan with the EFL, we're two games into the season with a new squad, and we're still finding our feet. 

I think ur right
i think we should get rid of him after brining in 8 players that have now 2 competitive games together and restart the mel morris merry go round of manager a season a see if we cant get even closer to going out of business by stock piling old managers players and brining in a whole brand new shiny bunch we can boo at after only 3-4 games 🤦🤷

My thoughts are that this is an embarrassingly reactionary thread 2 games into a season. 

I think this team is crying out for Sibley. Someone with legs and energy to stretch the play behind the centre fowards and ahead of the deeper lying midfielders.

That we must’ve got all of our mistakes for the season out the way in record time and I’ll still be doing the match threads on the final day of the season.

Saturday 12th August 2023, 15:00, Pirelli Stadium.
A good chance to pull our fingers out and bounce back from a disappointing start/drag ourselves out of an apocalypse.
I’m looking forward to coming up for this one, we don’t usually fare too well against our Staffordshire neighbours, but I’m confident we can get a win this time.

What’s your confidence based on and can you share some with me?

No EFL restrictions to hide behind? An interesting phrase. We are what we are. We are where we are. What is there to hide?
I’d be interested to see who would win out of a match between PW promotion winning side 2 seasons ago and us today. I dare say Rotherham…which says it all. Yeah, it says we nearly went out of business and are building from the ground up with a Manager who's not yet had a full season in charge. PW had years at Rotherham to build his squad - he's not even had a full season here yet. 
 

Imagine you inherit a house, and it’s falling apart. You don’t put in a new bathroom and kitchen, re-wire and re-plaster, and replace all the carpets at the same time. You simply can’t- particularly if the EFL set strict limits on what you can spend.
Perhaps that is where the analogy falls down, but hopefully you get my point. The club need to fight one battle at a time. On this thread (and threads on a similar topic) we’ve had people say we should invest more in a single proven striker to get us promoted; or in the whole first team squad; or youth prospects; or a scouting team. All valid opinions with their own merits.
What I really struggle with is people who say we should be doing that all at the same time. As much as we don’t want to get hung up on the administration period, it is undoubtedly created a financial hangover which we are recovering from. It’s a process, and (as painful as it is to admit/imagine) means we could take a few years to get out of League 1.
I think the one thing you can rely on is the support. Granted the numbers might tail off, but we had the fourth biggest gate in the EFL this weekend (behind Sunderland, Leeds, Leicester). I expect we’ll average top 20 nationally, including Prem, once the season is over. It would take a lot to erode that level of support.
I don’t think it’s “the plan” or a choice to sell our best prospects and buy players for nominal fees. Last few seasons it was a necessity to keep the club in existence, and then to make ourselves as competitive as we can be with no money.

Agree with the above, Mel has put us years behind, we are lucky to even have a club after what Mel did to this club, it's rumoured he is still has his millions in his bank, but totally f***** up our great club, it will take time to heal what Mel did to us financially, but I have hope and faith that we are slowly getting there, can we get promotion this season, definitely we can, a few more in, have a good run which will build confidence, hope our main players keep fit then we have a chance. 
100 percent behind Mr Clowes, and the club. And so grateful to Mr Clowes saving us, i will get behind this great club, as long as I have breath in my body. Once A Ram Always A Ram. 

We've barely got any prospects to sell because the academy has been pillaged. 
Our 2 best current players under 25 are in the final year of their contracts iirc. 
We were under a strict embargo last season and haven't got piles o'cash to buy enough players of quality to put together the kinda squad that fans think we should be doing this season - yes we could probably be doing more to unearth gems, but when the squad consists of 5 players before you start, you've gotta get everyone of them right.  The approach has understandably been to try an coax another season or two out of established pro's (that have typically all been promoted before)
I don't think people realise how bad a state MM left us in.  We simply can't spend £1m on a striker that will fire us to the Championship, we've had to spend whatever money we've got on filling multiple positions and the academy and tbh I think we've done a pretty good job. 
We just missed out on the playoffs at the first attempt last season and are many peoples favourites this year.  Losing to Wigan yesterday was disappointing but a different day might have seen us win 2-0 - its not panic stations just yet.  If we manage to bring in a pacey #9 and #10 and maybe another player or two by the end of the transfer window the squad will look a lot different.  If not, it won't be because PW doesn't think we need them, it will be because MMs legacy and the finances won't allow it.

What if, as a now sustainable club, we haven't got 'decent money' to splash out anymore?
And even if we did, following years of having our academy pillaged and losing players to pay the bills, any money we had has been needed to fund around 10 players a season. 
Since exiting administration we've been playing catchup every summer, we haven't been in a position to drop £500k-£1m on a player that will make the difference come May, we're spreading it around the entire team.  If you look at some big teams that have escaped Lg1 in recent years, they had been down here a longer than us, started from a better position than us and still took their time to get promoted. 
We may not like it, but patience is a virtue.

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I really wanted it to work out with Cocu. Obviously, I want it to work out with every Derby manager but I really thought we were onto something with Cocu, it just felt like we had got ourselves someone a bit special. So sad when that didn't happen, and equally sad to see that Vitesse, who he is now managing, have only achieved the 30% win rate that he got at Derby.
If ifs and buts were apples and nuts eh!

@Macintosh’s post in the Waggy thread pointed this out but Ryan Conways book about the Cocu-Rooney years has a release date and is available for pre order: 
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pride-Before-Fall-Play-Off-Extinction/dp/1801505039
Be interesting to see if anything new comes from it and I hope it does well for Ryan.

I think it's great if the club is being run in a sustainable way from now on. Don't mind to see a team made of players from the academy and low budget transfers. Won't forget how it felt when Derby County almost didn't exist anymore and don't ever want to see that chaos again. It hurts when we lose off course but that feeling goes away when we win. This rebuild will take time but I enjoy the ride. Not worried at all with Clowes at the top compared to the Morris show.  

I get the impression that the amount David Clowes is prepared to stump up out of his own pocket is comfortably within any remaining constraints that have been mutually agreed with The EFL.
Personally, I have absolutely no qualms about David Clowes setting himself a budget limit, and keeping to it/within it.  In fact, I'm a big fan of such a sensible approach, and ergo, am a big fan of the guy that saved us.
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