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29 minutes ago, kevinhectoring said:

This is the problem. £50 m may be too much for a league 1 club even one with our fan base and facilities. If so, MM has to throw in some cash. 

I don't think MM has any interest in throwing any more money in, he probably thinks he has done his bit by coming to some sort of agreement with Gibson.

2 minutes ago, DavesaRam said:

He couldn’t be stronger, Ikpeazu pulled hom backwards off balance. Ref had been reasonable to their big guy got on.

Curtis was also pulling his shirt trying to hold him back and he managed to stick his foot out in front of Curtis and he scored.

2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

What a very strange response considering that, each time I have posted up my dialogue with the EFL, you have said that I should raise any queries through the administrators as the EFL are not answerable to me...

Not a strange response at all, you said you had emailed Parry then quoted to me about the supporters charter,that doesn't include contacting Parry. I have just posted the correct way to contact them. 

2 hours ago, PistoldPete said:

My communications with EFL are limited to Duck the EFL chants at football games .

I am trying to establish what the rules say, which should be a transparent process. 

Don't ask me why it's not transparent ask the EFL, i have posted what the rules say,if you choose to ignore it that's your choice.You could always do your own research.

5 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

And where are these “rules” published other than in a report in “accountancy age”? 

Believe what you want,doesn't bother me if you don't think they exist..

You could always contact the EFL Supporter Services Department for clarification.

Contacting the EFL Supporter Services Department:
To send us a message click here.

Post: Supporter Services Department, EFL House, 10-12 West Cliff, Preston, PR1 8HU
Tel:   01772 325829

14 hours ago, kevinhectoring said:

Most worrying thing in anticipation of this game is Rooney’s demeanour in his recent interviews. 

It's certainly changed over the last couple of weeks,there comes a time when the positivity begins to wane,the players seem to be getting into a rut with away matches and the lack of results.

2 minutes ago, one_chop said:

I can see the Administrator's having to take out loans to see out the season. Who are the corporate pay day loan specialists? 

And that ultimately increases the price a bidder has to pay.

1 hour ago, Unlucky Alf said:

This was mentioned last night by the presenter, The excuse given by the ex WBA player was...it takes time to get Steve Bruces message across in training on tactics, Formation, Planning and the like...pretty much like all new Managers that start with a new club then.

WBA supporters are revolting ?

Oh, i wouldn't say that, i know a couple of very attractive female fans

4 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said:

Para 2 suggests a further 3 points on top of the 12 we've already had ("could rise to 15").

Para 3 ends with a suggestion of "a further 15 points" (presumably after, and on top of, the -12 for going into admin.

But both para's appear to be referring to the same potential shortfall in repayments to creditors, so which is it?  A further 15, or a further 3 on top of the 12 we've had?  ?‍♂️

 

 

 

A further 3 on top of the 12 if we are not keeping up payments whilst in administration and 15 points if we exit administration without offering 25%.

2 minutes ago, IslandExile said:

And I know you think the Administrators are doing the right thing. Does that include their lack of communication?

God knows how some people would have gone on in pre internet,social media days,all we had was local radio and local/national rags.

Just now, FlyBritishMidland said:

Does the -15 points apply to not agreeing to 25p in the pound immediately or the 35p in the pound over three years?  What off the PB proposed 20p in the pound immediately, 10p in the pound next year and 5p in the pound the following year?

To not agreeing to 25% upfront from the outset,if they want to take it to Three years then it's 35% upfront.

26 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

And where does it say this? On what authority? 

https://www.accountancyage.com/2015/06/09/football-league-toughens-insolvency-rules/

Satisfied now?

18 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

Where does it say there will be a penalty if you don’t pay 25% and what that penalty would be. 

INSOLVENT Football League clubs will face stricter sanctions and be forced to repay the majority of their debts to unsecured creditors under new rules agreed at the competition’s annual conference.

Clubs entering administration will be slapped with an increased 12-point deduction, which could rise to 15 if they are found to have flouted new rules around repaying funds to creditors.

The Football Creditors’ Rule, which guarantees 100% repayment of debts to clubs and players for transfers and wages, will be retained but unsecured creditors will now receive a minimum of 25p in the pound, which must be paid upon takeover of the clubs’ assets, or the sum rises to a minimum of 35p in the pound over three years. Failure to comply will result in a further 15 point deduction at the start of the season.

5 minutes ago, I am Ram said:

11 minutes ago, IslandExile said:

The story about the MSD loan.

The lack of communication from the Administrators.

The rumour of the 15 point deduction.

They all point to one thing:  Ashley will buy the club at the end of the season but at a cut price.

 

The debts remain the same or actually get bigger so how much cut price is debatable Still HMRC to pay,administrators to pay,if nobody wants to pay the administrators what they are owed they will simply liquidate the club

9 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

But that's the narrow minded, short sightedness of folk who honestly believe their council tax pays for their bin collection and bin collection only.  They cannot see the bigger picture.

Yes they would moan if DCC helped the club, but they would moan louder if the club went to the wall.

 

 

 

 

 

I honestly doubt they would,not everyone has any interest in football and if they do it's there in front of them on the TV.

I think it's ignorance on your part to suggest they are narrow minded,short sighted,people are fully aware of what their council tax is used for, the bigger picture for them, if money is available, is repairs to schools,more teachers  etc.

The days of council owned grounds or sponsoring professional football clubs are long gone.

The council needs to be seen as "doing something" even if actually doesn't, people expecting the council to come to the rescue of a privately owned professional football club are in for a shock if they think they will part with any money.

3 minutes ago, WhiteHorseRam said:

 

 

No poo. (though that's dealt with on the constipation page).

That page has had over 15,000 hits in the last few weeks, mainly from Derby fans who have checked why things aren;t moving as they should.

2 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

Well apparently the council offered to buy the ground back from Mel and he refused.

I'm also fairly sure that if the future of Derby County rested on a few million quid DCC and Team Derby would rally round.

It would either be that or watch the local economy take a battering and lose millions a week.

How much did they offer i wonder but that is different as then it could be classed as a proper community asset.

Sorry but i wouldn't imagine funding the club is high up on the council priority list,just because the leader of the council is a fan and ST holder doesn't mean to say any suggestion of monetary help would be passed by the council.

6 minutes ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said:

Did you expect their desks to be in the car park 

Yes MM has banned them from the stadium.

19 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

Probably because they will try to secure last minute funding from DCC to keep us ticking over.

Does that mean MSD see no future for the club and are not willing to provide any more short term loans. As for DCC getting involved that's unlikely to happen,councils are cash strapped as it is and are already creditors.

29 minutes ago, jimtastic56 said:

That’s fair enough . I am not allowed to ask for info. Therefore I will keep my £2,000 per year in my pocket.

That is entirely up to you,comments like that will not make a blind bit of difference to the administrators. Yes it's understandable that people are eager for news but i would rather them get on with the matter in hand and keep quiet putting things in the public domain building peoples hopes up only then to be dashed later.

27 minutes ago, FindernRam said:

In this social media age even oldies like me are used to non -stop flow of news and comment on everything under the sun (and moon), there is no escape. Most organisations have spin doctors at the ready 24/7. We soak it up vicariously and become armchair experts in everything.

Administrators normally have no "public face"; without making it seem sinister, they work in the shadows. PR is not part of their skill set 'nor a requirement of getting the task done. So I'm not the least surprised they are not particularly communicative to uninvolved (in a business sense) people like us.

Well said. 

1 hour ago, RAM1966 said:

It doesn't matter that much really how they present it, all offers will have 3 headline figures thst really matter.

Offer for Stadium (Most important).

Offer for HMRC (Maybe the hold up is checking with HMRC if they are content?).

Offer for unsecured creditors (-15pts in not 25p in £, not that Admin will give a toss).

Yes of course there may be little clauses etc that differ, but these are the 3 main numbers to consider....

You are forgetting the administrators that also want paying which will be non-negotiable, so if you add it all up it still comes to a significant amount,the likes of which the proposed buyers are probably not willing to pay.

Negotiations for the stadium shouldn't be part of the deal,the ground is not included in the administration. That is a matter to be resolved between the (hopefully) PB and MM. HMRC are probably onside as has been posted before but that doesn't mean to say they are willing to accept 25% it could be a higher percentage as a down payment with an agreement to pay the rest in instalments.

There's a big game on tomorrow.

Just now, ScamRam said:

Pancake Day tomoz, 'flipping' hope we get some batter news

Suppose you will be wanting it sugar coated.

17 minutes ago, AutoWindscreens said:

I think it's what MackworthRamisGod said above, the administrators fees are part of the negotiations, and the discount they are prepared to accept. If their billed amount was £4m before Christmas (did I read that somewhere?) it would be double that now. Enough, on the face of it, to put off nearly all buyers. They would know that it would be a question of negotiation, how much of those fees a buyer is prepared to fund.

If nobody is prepared to pay the administrators in full to get the club out of administration then surely the administrators can liquidate the club. They are not doing all this work out of the goodness of their heart.