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One Of Radio Derby's questions for mel was whether he had been too quick to change managers. He cited Forest as an example of clubs that do that more, but Watford even more so. And Dawes reply .. but Forest are not in adminstration really just disproves the point Dawes was trying to make.. changing managers did not cause administration.  Watford even  get promotion after sacking their manager as often as I change my socks.  

Exactly. If it had gone to an employment tribunal he would have lost. And the reasons for the decision would have been published.

It wasnt a Court of Law, nor even a proper employment tribunal. It was a kangaroo court set up by the EFL and the Players union.

Exactly. An indpendent employment tribunal would have assessed the case on the basis of whether dismissal was within the range of appropriate punishments for someone who is a professional footballer and club captain to get drunk, get into a car (and allegedly not wearing a seat belt?)with another drunk person driving and then  get yourself injured and unable to perform your employed duties for over a year. 
I am in no doubt what an indpendent tribunal would have decided.  The fact that Lawrence and Bennett escaped the punishment of dismissal (possibly for commercial reasons) is irrelevant, the club was within its rights to terminate any or all of their contracts.     

It wasnt a Court of Law, nor even a proper employment tribunal. It was a kangaroo court set up by the EFL and the Players union.

I think the point being made is that the decison not to pay him didn't cost us because if we had paid him, he would have been paid for doing nothing which is how things have turned out anyway.  If he had returned to fitness within the remaining term of his contract, he would not have got in the team ahead of Davies,  Clarke or Wisdom. 

It is really very silly what other fans come up with. Blaming us for Keogh leading the players on a drunken rampage in Allestree, all Derbys fault of course despite us laying on taxis for the players to get home safely. 
Blaming us for overspending.. when we spent half what Villa did on wages, and  fraction of their net transfer spend. Our net transfer spend is about £25 million under Morris.. Villa's in the same period  is about £300 million. Financial mismanagement by Derby, but not by Villa apparently.. because they got promoted and we didn't. 

Well I think you are mistaken... I think Morris would have taken advice before Keogh was offered reduced terms , just as he took advice from his accountants on Derby's audit policy. but the EFL overruled that too. If Morris "had done things properly" in your eyes, we would have paid Keogh £2million for doing nothing for 15 months then he would have come back from injury and I do not think he is a better defender now than Jags or Curtis Davies and not much younger either. Also I doubt Keogh will get his £2million now anyway, he along with many creditors will need to accept a pence in the pound compromise.   

Exactly. An indpendent employment tribunal would have assessed the case on the basis of whether dismissal was within the range of appropriate punishments for someone who is a professional footballer and club captain to get drunk, get into a car (and allegedly not wearing a seat belt?)with another drunk person driving and then  get yourself injured and unable to perform your employed duties for over a year. 
I am in no doubt what an indpendent tribunal would have decided.  The fact that Lawrence and Bennett escaped the punishment of dismissal (possibly for commercial reasons) is irrelevant, the club was within its rights to terminate any or all of their contracts.     

It wasnt a Court of Law, nor even a proper employment tribunal. It was a kangaroo court set up by the EFL and the Players union.

Exactly. An indpendent employment tribunal would have assessed the case on the basis of whether dismissal was within the range of appropriate punishments for someone who is a professional footballer and club captain to get drunk, get into a car (and allegedly not wearing a seat belt?)with another drunk person driving and then  get yourself injured and unable to perform your employed duties for over a year. 
I am in no doubt what an indpendent tribunal would have decided.  The fact that Lawrence and Bennett escaped the punishment of dismissal (possibly for commercial reasons) is irrelevant, the club was within its rights to terminate any or all of their contracts.     

It wasnt a Court of Law, nor even a proper employment tribunal. It was a kangaroo court set up by the EFL and the Players union.

It wasnt a Court of Law, nor even a proper employment tribunal. It was a kangaroo court set up by the EFL and the Players union.

Especially journalists who are Forest fans writing about Derby. 

How much do Sheff U owe us for Bogle and Lowe? And don't get me started on Gordon and Delap. 

No he won't.

Well you would think a journalist would question how, if the fee was truly £10 million, the agreed instalments were only £2million after two years. So Arsenal agreed to us to pay £1 miilion a year for 10 years? I don't think so. Does it not occur to the journo that maybe the fee isn't £10 million unless Derby get into the Prem and Poland win the world cup with Bielik as captain?

He should have worn a seat belt. His fault.
And anyway since when has it been a matter of who was most at fault? I mean Lawrence shouldn't have been driving the car, but two wrongs don't make a right , that is no defence.

If Keough had relied on employment law he would have got nothing. He relied on EFL Law which is that if the club is Derby County you are guilty until proven innocent , and even then you are guilty. 

Well I think you are mistaken... I think Morris would have taken advice before Keogh was offered reduced terms , just as he took advice from his accountants on Derby's audit policy. but the EFL overruled that too. If Morris "had done things properly" in your eyes, we would have paid Keogh £2million for doing nothing for 15 months then he would have come back from injury and I do not think he is a better defender now than Jags or Curtis Davies and not much younger either. Also I doubt Keogh will get his £2million now anyway, he along with many creditors will need to accept a pence in the pound compromise.   

If Keough had relied on employment law he would have got nothing. He relied on EFL Law which is that if the club is Derby County you are guilty until proven innocent , and even then you are guilty. 

Well at least we didn't lose.

Keogh was not supported by employment law, he was supported by the spineless, gutless EFL who had a benevolent opinion  towards a fellow clown.
 

Well yes. A proper journo would have asked.. "So Richard you were the only person who was injured out of the four people you say were in the car? Why do you think that might have been? Was it perhaps because you were not wearing a seat belt?"
"Will the people who lost their jobs this week from Derby County be getting £2 million payouts after self inflicted injuries that prevent them from doing their jobs anyway?"
"Why are you coming out with this stuff now, could it have anything to do with the fact that you are worried your big windfall might be at risk if Derby go up in smoke?"
"How many games have you played in the Premier League Richard?"
"Isn't £2.3 milion rather a lot of money for a player of such limited ability , even if you had been paid for playing instead of paid for inflicting on yourself an injury of you own making?"
 
 
These are the sorts of questions I would be asking.  
 
 
 
 

Well you would think a journalist would question how, if the fee was truly £10 million, the agreed instalments were only £2million after two years. So Arsenal agreed to us to pay £1 miilion a year for 10 years? I don't think so. Does it not occur to the journo that maybe the fee isn't £10 million unless Derby get into the Prem and Poland win the world cup with Bielik as captain?