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Despite some forum users sharpening their knives with a couple of minutes to go, it ended up being a good day at the office 🙂
Yeah the performances still aren't there, but we're in the top six, 6pts off the autos and making noises about January transfers - a better transfer window than last January could see us do well this season.
And Forest scored 2 and still lost at home.  Good day all round 😛 

Nice tribute to B4 on Radio Derby 🙂

Yes, but what a 5 minutes that was.

Okay I'll bite, but I'm sticking to the space bit, I've got no time for the continued red pill rubbish. 
What copious amounts of evidence do you have to suggest that SpaceX aren't going to land on Mars?  Without repeating the rocket exploding argument - they went through the exact same process designing the previous rockets and reusable boosters that now haul virtually everything up into space.
Furthermore, if you are so adamant SpaceX aren't going to land on Mars do you think they should just simply stop now?  Or do you think they should continue to push the boundaries of what may or may not be achievable?  If its the latter, do you think those of us that have a genuine interest in the subject would like to discuss it without the thread being continually hijacked by an anti-Musk, anti-[insert forum user] agenda?
Ignoring your gut for a moment do you think that NASA, funded by the US Govt - currently one of Musks major fanboys (yes that was irony) would congratulate SpaceX on a successful launch the other day, if it was just a rocket blowing up?  And do you think they would have awarded SpaceX the $3bn contract for the moon lander if they were just going to continually blow up the money without gaining data and making progress?  It is also worth noting that NASA are not only planning on using the lander designed by SpaceX to land on the Moon, but also the rocket they are currently designing to get them there. 
And finally, how many people have SpaceX killed so far in testing?  How many did NASA kill during testing and live missions?  And what leads you think SpaceX will sacrifice anyone?  I don't know whether this is up-to-date, but as of the end of August SpaceX has launched 11 crewed missions (42 people) into space - and they have all come back alive.
https://spaceexplored.com/2023/08/26/spacex-crewed-flights/
Sure Musk has joked that people might not come back from Mars - the following for example, but Musk says a lot of stupid stuff;
"It's dangerous, it's uncomfortable, it's a long journey. You might not come back alive. But it's a glorious adventure, and it'll be an amazing experience," he said. "You might die ... and you probably won't have good food and all these things. It's an arduous and dangerous journey where you may not come back alive, but it's a glorious adventure," Musk said.
"Sounds appealing," Musk laughed.
https://www.space.com/elon-musk-mars-spacex-risks-astronauts-die
But if it gets to the stage that people are strapped in, counting down to take off it will be no different than the astronauts that went to the Moon.  President Nixon even had a speech prepared for if the worst happened;
'Fate has ordained that the men who went to the moon to explore in peace will stay on the moon to rest in peace.
These brave men, Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin, know that there is no hope for their recovery. But they also know that there is hope for mankind in their sacrifice.
These two men are laying down their lives in mankind’s most noble goal: the search for truth and understanding.
They will be mourned by their families and friends; they will be mourned by their nation; they will be mourned by the people of the world; they will be mourned by a Mother Earth that dared send two of her sons into the unknown.
In their exploration, they stirred the people of the world to feel as one; in their sacrifice, they bind more tightly the brotherhood of man.
In ancient days, men looked at stars and saw their heroes in the constellations. In modern times, we do much the same, but our heroes are epic men of flesh and blood.
Others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man’s search will not be denied. But these men were the first, and they will remain the foremost in our hearts.
For every human being who looks up at the moon in the nights to come will know that there is some corner of another world that is forever mankind.'
Even the later astronauts during the Shuttle era new the risks were 1 in 75;
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1191013/moon-landing-nasa-odds-total-destruction-mike-massimino-apollo-11-mission-control-spt
Later, this was revised down to about 1 in 9;
https://www.npr.org/2011/03/04/134265291/early-space-shuttle-flights-riskier-than-estimated
Space travel is dangerous, its right on the edge of what is possible and being the first to do anything always carries risk - but the first astronauts won't simply be sacrificial lambs.  I'd imagine the rocket will be the most technologically advanced rocket humans will have ever made, tested to the best of our abilities and knowledge and as seen above, the Astronauts will know full well the odds of making it back safely.  And if the worst does happen, to paraphrase the above;
'They will be mourned  [but] others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man’s search will not be denied.'

Nice tribute to B4 on Radio Derby 🙂

Nice tribute to B4 on Radio Derby 🙂

Nice tribute to B4 on Radio Derby 🙂

Nice tribute to B4 on Radio Derby 🙂

Nice tribute to B4 on Radio Derby 🙂

Well, I appreciate the response.  If we could all keep the thread somewhat on track in future for those that 'dare to dream' it would be appreciated.
A lot of the stuff you mention do seem like insurmountable problems - similar 'insurmountable' problems we faced when we first thought about going to the Moon.  However, I'm 100% certain that NASA, SpaceX etc are aware of the problems and are coming up with solutions.  I linked this page from the NASA website previously;
https://www.nasa.gov/humans-in-space/humans-to-mars/
Personally, I think its only a matter of time until humans have a permanent presence on both the Moon and Mars.  Yes there are huge challenges ahead and the timescales quoted may be optimistic, but I feel confident that I'll see it in my lifetime. 

Okay I'll bite, but I'm sticking to the space bit, I've got no time for the continued red pill rubbish. 
What copious amounts of evidence do you have to suggest that SpaceX aren't going to land on Mars?  Without repeating the rocket exploding argument - they went through the exact same process designing the previous rockets and reusable boosters that now haul virtually everything up into space.
Furthermore, if you are so adamant SpaceX aren't going to land on Mars do you think they should just simply stop now?  Or do you think they should continue to push the boundaries of what may or may not be achievable?  If its the latter, do you think those of us that have a genuine interest in the subject would like to discuss it without the thread being continually hijacked by an anti-Musk, anti-[insert forum user] agenda?
Ignoring your gut for a moment do you think that NASA, funded by the US Govt - currently one of Musks major fanboys (yes that was irony) would congratulate SpaceX on a successful launch the other day, if it was just a rocket blowing up?  And do you think they would have awarded SpaceX the $3bn contract for the moon lander if they were just going to continually blow up the money without gaining data and making progress?  It is also worth noting that NASA are not only planning on using the lander designed by SpaceX to land on the Moon, but also the rocket they are currently designing to get them there. 
And finally, how many people have SpaceX killed so far in testing?  How many did NASA kill during testing and live missions?  And what leads you think SpaceX will sacrifice anyone?  I don't know whether this is up-to-date, but as of the end of August SpaceX has launched 11 crewed missions (42 people) into space - and they have all come back alive.
https://spaceexplored.com/2023/08/26/spacex-crewed-flights/
Sure Musk has joked that people might not come back from Mars - the following for example, but Musk says a lot of stupid stuff;
"It's dangerous, it's uncomfortable, it's a long journey. You might not come back alive. But it's a glorious adventure, and it'll be an amazing experience," he said. "You might die ... and you probably won't have good food and all these things. It's an arduous and dangerous journey where you may not come back alive, but it's a glorious adventure," Musk said.
"Sounds appealing," Musk laughed.
https://www.space.com/elon-musk-mars-spacex-risks-astronauts-die
But if it gets to the stage that people are strapped in, counting down to take off it will be no different than the astronauts that went to the Moon.  President Nixon even had a speech prepared for if the worst happened;
'Fate has ordained that the men who went to the moon to explore in peace will stay on the moon to rest in peace.
These brave men, Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin, know that there is no hope for their recovery. But they also know that there is hope for mankind in their sacrifice.
These two men are laying down their lives in mankind’s most noble goal: the search for truth and understanding.
They will be mourned by their families and friends; they will be mourned by their nation; they will be mourned by the people of the world; they will be mourned by a Mother Earth that dared send two of her sons into the unknown.
In their exploration, they stirred the people of the world to feel as one; in their sacrifice, they bind more tightly the brotherhood of man.
In ancient days, men looked at stars and saw their heroes in the constellations. In modern times, we do much the same, but our heroes are epic men of flesh and blood.
Others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man’s search will not be denied. But these men were the first, and they will remain the foremost in our hearts.
For every human being who looks up at the moon in the nights to come will know that there is some corner of another world that is forever mankind.'
Even the later astronauts during the Shuttle era new the risks were 1 in 75;
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1191013/moon-landing-nasa-odds-total-destruction-mike-massimino-apollo-11-mission-control-spt
Later, this was revised down to about 1 in 9;
https://www.npr.org/2011/03/04/134265291/early-space-shuttle-flights-riskier-than-estimated
Space travel is dangerous, its right on the edge of what is possible and being the first to do anything always carries risk - but the first astronauts won't simply be sacrificial lambs.  I'd imagine the rocket will be the most technologically advanced rocket humans will have ever made, tested to the best of our abilities and knowledge and as seen above, the Astronauts will know full well the odds of making it back safely.  And if the worst does happen, to paraphrase the above;
'They will be mourned  [but] others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man’s search will not be denied.'

Bob forgot his anniversary. 
Bob's wife wasn't very happy.
After much waiving of arms and shouting she went to bed demanding something that goes from 0-200 in under 5 seconds on the drive outside the house in the morning when she gets up.
The next morning Bob gets up early and leaves for work. 
Bob's wife gets up a while later opens the curtains and sees a box on the drive. She gets dressed, goes downstairs and brings the package into the house.  Inside she finds a set of scales.
Bob hasn't been seen since last Friday...

Bob forgot his anniversary. 
Bob's wife wasn't very happy.
After much waiving of arms and shouting she went to bed demanding something that goes from 0-200 in under 5 seconds on the drive outside the house in the morning when she gets up.
The next morning Bob gets up early and leaves for work. 
Bob's wife gets up a while later opens the curtains and sees a box on the drive. She gets dressed, goes downstairs and brings the package into the house.  Inside she finds a set of scales.
Bob hasn't been seen since last Friday...

Bob forgot his anniversary. 
Bob's wife wasn't very happy.
After much waiving of arms and shouting she went to bed demanding something that goes from 0-200 in under 5 seconds on the drive outside the house in the morning when she gets up.
The next morning Bob gets up early and leaves for work. 
Bob's wife gets up a while later opens the curtains and sees a box on the drive. She gets dressed, goes downstairs and brings the package into the house.  Inside she finds a set of scales.
Bob hasn't been seen since last Friday...

They may not be catching the attention of the media now-a-days but SpaceX continues to launch rockets into space on a regular basis - this was from a little earlier today;
And I still think these are CGI as I'm still not sure how you can land a cylinder upright!!! 
Despite the laughs and giggles from those that hope Musk fails at everything he touches, SpaceX are actually doing a damn good job right now.  This year they launched approx 80% of all material into space.  Next year it will launch approx 90% of the worlds payload into space.  Not bad for a company for a company that came from nowhere to dominate the industry in a short period of time after suffering numerous rapid unscheduled disassemblies before finally 'learning to fly'. 
https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/09/spacex-broke-its-record-for-number-of-launches-in-a-year/
Personally, I think you'd be foolish to back against SpaceX making the rocket that gets human to both the Moon and Mars.  NASA seem to think they are capable, they are scheduled to use the final version of the Starship and have awarded SpaceX the $3bn moon lander contract. 
 

Bob forgot his anniversary. 
Bob's wife wasn't very happy.
After much waiving of arms and shouting she went to bed demanding something that goes from 0-200 in under 5 seconds on the drive outside the house in the morning when she gets up.
The next morning Bob gets up early and leaves for work. 
Bob's wife gets up a while later opens the curtains and sees a box on the drive. She gets dressed, goes downstairs and brings the package into the house.  Inside she finds a set of scales.
Bob hasn't been seen since last Friday...

Bob forgot his anniversary. 
Bob's wife wasn't very happy.
After much waiving of arms and shouting she went to bed demanding something that goes from 0-200 in under 5 seconds on the drive outside the house in the morning when she gets up.
The next morning Bob gets up early and leaves for work. 
Bob's wife gets up a while later opens the curtains and sees a box on the drive. She gets dressed, goes downstairs and brings the package into the house.  Inside she finds a set of scales.
Bob hasn't been seen since last Friday...

Been on holiday, and coming gack through the airport my Mrs fainted and collapsed on the luggage carousel. Fortunately she came round again quite quickly.

That is a stirring speech. Almost makes me want to die on the moon and have you all looking up at me. Sign me up. 

Okay I'll bite, but I'm sticking to the space bit, I've got no time for the continued red pill rubbish. 
What copious amounts of evidence do you have to suggest that SpaceX aren't going to land on Mars?  Without repeating the rocket exploding argument - they went through the exact same process designing the previous rockets and reusable boosters that now haul virtually everything up into space.
Furthermore, if you are so adamant SpaceX aren't going to land on Mars do you think they should just simply stop now?  Or do you think they should continue to push the boundaries of what may or may not be achievable?  If its the latter, do you think those of us that have a genuine interest in the subject would like to discuss it without the thread being continually hijacked by an anti-Musk, anti-[insert forum user] agenda?
Ignoring your gut for a moment do you think that NASA, funded by the US Govt - currently one of Musks major fanboys (yes that was irony) would congratulate SpaceX on a successful launch the other day, if it was just a rocket blowing up?  And do you think they would have awarded SpaceX the $3bn contract for the moon lander if they were just going to continually blow up the money without gaining data and making progress?  It is also worth noting that NASA are not only planning on using the lander designed by SpaceX to land on the Moon, but also the rocket they are currently designing to get them there. 
And finally, how many people have SpaceX killed so far in testing?  How many did NASA kill during testing and live missions?  And what leads you think SpaceX will sacrifice anyone?  I don't know whether this is up-to-date, but as of the end of August SpaceX has launched 11 crewed missions (42 people) into space - and they have all come back alive.
https://spaceexplored.com/2023/08/26/spacex-crewed-flights/
Sure Musk has joked that people might not come back from Mars - the following for example, but Musk says a lot of stupid stuff;
"It's dangerous, it's uncomfortable, it's a long journey. You might not come back alive. But it's a glorious adventure, and it'll be an amazing experience," he said. "You might die ... and you probably won't have good food and all these things. It's an arduous and dangerous journey where you may not come back alive, but it's a glorious adventure," Musk said.
"Sounds appealing," Musk laughed.
https://www.space.com/elon-musk-mars-spacex-risks-astronauts-die
But if it gets to the stage that people are strapped in, counting down to take off it will be no different than the astronauts that went to the Moon.  President Nixon even had a speech prepared for if the worst happened;
'Fate has ordained that the men who went to the moon to explore in peace will stay on the moon to rest in peace.
These brave men, Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin, know that there is no hope for their recovery. But they also know that there is hope for mankind in their sacrifice.
These two men are laying down their lives in mankind’s most noble goal: the search for truth and understanding.
They will be mourned by their families and friends; they will be mourned by their nation; they will be mourned by the people of the world; they will be mourned by a Mother Earth that dared send two of her sons into the unknown.
In their exploration, they stirred the people of the world to feel as one; in their sacrifice, they bind more tightly the brotherhood of man.
In ancient days, men looked at stars and saw their heroes in the constellations. In modern times, we do much the same, but our heroes are epic men of flesh and blood.
Others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man’s search will not be denied. But these men were the first, and they will remain the foremost in our hearts.
For every human being who looks up at the moon in the nights to come will know that there is some corner of another world that is forever mankind.'
Even the later astronauts during the Shuttle era new the risks were 1 in 75;
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1191013/moon-landing-nasa-odds-total-destruction-mike-massimino-apollo-11-mission-control-spt
Later, this was revised down to about 1 in 9;
https://www.npr.org/2011/03/04/134265291/early-space-shuttle-flights-riskier-than-estimated
Space travel is dangerous, its right on the edge of what is possible and being the first to do anything always carries risk - but the first astronauts won't simply be sacrificial lambs.  I'd imagine the rocket will be the most technologically advanced rocket humans will have ever made, tested to the best of our abilities and knowledge and as seen above, the Astronauts will know full well the odds of making it back safely.  And if the worst does happen, to paraphrase the above;
'They will be mourned  [but] others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man’s search will not be denied.'

Okay I'll bite, but I'm sticking to the space bit, I've got no time for the continued red pill rubbish. 
What copious amounts of evidence do you have to suggest that SpaceX aren't going to land on Mars?  Without repeating the rocket exploding argument - they went through the exact same process designing the previous rockets and reusable boosters that now haul virtually everything up into space.
Furthermore, if you are so adamant SpaceX aren't going to land on Mars do you think they should just simply stop now?  Or do you think they should continue to push the boundaries of what may or may not be achievable?  If its the latter, do you think those of us that have a genuine interest in the subject would like to discuss it without the thread being continually hijacked by an anti-Musk, anti-[insert forum user] agenda?
Ignoring your gut for a moment do you think that NASA, funded by the US Govt - currently one of Musks major fanboys (yes that was irony) would congratulate SpaceX on a successful launch the other day, if it was just a rocket blowing up?  And do you think they would have awarded SpaceX the $3bn contract for the moon lander if they were just going to continually blow up the money without gaining data and making progress?  It is also worth noting that NASA are not only planning on using the lander designed by SpaceX to land on the Moon, but also the rocket they are currently designing to get them there. 
And finally, how many people have SpaceX killed so far in testing?  How many did NASA kill during testing and live missions?  And what leads you think SpaceX will sacrifice anyone?  I don't know whether this is up-to-date, but as of the end of August SpaceX has launched 11 crewed missions (42 people) into space - and they have all come back alive.
https://spaceexplored.com/2023/08/26/spacex-crewed-flights/
Sure Musk has joked that people might not come back from Mars - the following for example, but Musk says a lot of stupid stuff;
"It's dangerous, it's uncomfortable, it's a long journey. You might not come back alive. But it's a glorious adventure, and it'll be an amazing experience," he said. "You might die ... and you probably won't have good food and all these things. It's an arduous and dangerous journey where you may not come back alive, but it's a glorious adventure," Musk said.
"Sounds appealing," Musk laughed.
https://www.space.com/elon-musk-mars-spacex-risks-astronauts-die
But if it gets to the stage that people are strapped in, counting down to take off it will be no different than the astronauts that went to the Moon.  President Nixon even had a speech prepared for if the worst happened;
'Fate has ordained that the men who went to the moon to explore in peace will stay on the moon to rest in peace.
These brave men, Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin, know that there is no hope for their recovery. But they also know that there is hope for mankind in their sacrifice.
These two men are laying down their lives in mankind’s most noble goal: the search for truth and understanding.
They will be mourned by their families and friends; they will be mourned by their nation; they will be mourned by the people of the world; they will be mourned by a Mother Earth that dared send two of her sons into the unknown.
In their exploration, they stirred the people of the world to feel as one; in their sacrifice, they bind more tightly the brotherhood of man.
In ancient days, men looked at stars and saw their heroes in the constellations. In modern times, we do much the same, but our heroes are epic men of flesh and blood.
Others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man’s search will not be denied. But these men were the first, and they will remain the foremost in our hearts.
For every human being who looks up at the moon in the nights to come will know that there is some corner of another world that is forever mankind.'
Even the later astronauts during the Shuttle era new the risks were 1 in 75;
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1191013/moon-landing-nasa-odds-total-destruction-mike-massimino-apollo-11-mission-control-spt
Later, this was revised down to about 1 in 9;
https://www.npr.org/2011/03/04/134265291/early-space-shuttle-flights-riskier-than-estimated
Space travel is dangerous, its right on the edge of what is possible and being the first to do anything always carries risk - but the first astronauts won't simply be sacrificial lambs.  I'd imagine the rocket will be the most technologically advanced rocket humans will have ever made, tested to the best of our abilities and knowledge and as seen above, the Astronauts will know full well the odds of making it back safely.  And if the worst does happen, to paraphrase the above;
'They will be mourned  [but] others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man’s search will not be denied.'

Yes, but they were censoring the people Stive didn't like, so they were the goodies. I think it's terrible that twitter/x haven't given Stive a pocket mod to delete anything he doesn't approve of. Perhaps he's been spoiled in that regard by certain other websites?

I don't pay any attention when you brand something racist because it lost all meaning long ago. You're the type of person who would claim the moon was racist if the tide was in when you went to the beach.