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That’s us screwed then. ?

Nah, we could have easily gone down not showing any fight, just accepting relegation as an inevitability feeling sorry for ourselves.
Against the odds he helped convince some aging players to join us in the summer for peanuts and blooded some youngsters into a team that gives 100% week in, week out.  
The day after he says the preferred buyer is due to be announced, the EFL shaft us, a key defender leaves, we receive a bid on a midfielder and know that others will have to be sold to ensure we even have a club in February.  Yet the players still give 100% and we climb off the bottom of the league for the first time. 
It would be easy to walk away, get another job where he has a squad to work with a backing to improve it.  We we're odds on to sink into Division 1 this season without putting up a fight - Rooney's motivation and ability would have been questioned regardless and his next job would not have been an attractive one. 
As it happens Wayne Rooney *is* the club atm, he is leading us on and off the pitch and given everyone the belief that we can still achieve the impossible.  Yes he had everything to gain, but he also had a lot to lose as well.  Walking away would have at least given him a blank slate, instead he'll probably get the Everton job. 
 
 

Excellent.
Given the circumstances and the fact its his first job, it would have been far easier to walk away than stay. 
 

Excellent.
Given the circumstances and the fact its his first job, it would have been far easier to walk away than stay. 
 

Excellent.
Given the circumstances and the fact its his first job, it would have been far easier to walk away than stay. 
 

Ah, come on. Everyone should be able to have an opinion on this. I don't agree with him or her but all viewpoints should be heard. 

So uhm yeah, I watched Eternals last night...
And in other news I wanted to refresh my memory re. the older Spiderman movies and found this on Amazon - all 5 of the older movies for £10 on dvd or £15 on blu-ray.  Bargain!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01IEN6RSI/

Chuntering about covid takes my mind off the far more serious situation surrounding Derby atm!

Agree, I think with omicron we're hopefully nearing the end now.  
The overt misinformation still winds me up, especially when its done by politicians and the media who keep the threat of further restrictions hanging over us but as far as my daily life is goes, its pretty much back to normal.
It is probably time to dial back the involvment in this thread, it has often been tribal like the old politics thread - fun at times, a chore at others.  So I'll wish everyone a belated happy new year and unless something significant changes I think I'm about done ?

Agree, I think with omicron we're hopefully nearing the end now.  
The overt misinformation still winds me up, especially when its done by politicians and the media who keep the threat of further restrictions hanging over us but as far as my daily life is goes, its pretty much back to normal.
It is probably time to dial back the involvment in this thread, it has often been tribal like the old politics thread - fun at times, a chore at others.  So I'll wish everyone a belated happy new year and unless something significant changes I think I'm about done ?

Personally from Saturday onwards I am trying not to reply to stuff I think is baalocks because as you say it’s just pointless/ boring , people wishing harm on others and or taking pleasure from it is just about the time to stop ,
the thread in some ways has kept me from exploding over the last two years though but it’s becoming the brexit thread on steroids ??‍♂️

Chuntering about covid takes my mind off the far more serious situation surrounding Derby atm!

Chuntering about covid takes my mind off the far more serious situation surrounding Derby atm!

Chuntering about covid takes my mind off the far more serious situation surrounding Derby atm!

Similar story here (kinda)
Re. my earlier point Politicians and the media have a responsibility to get the numbers correct - things have been scary enough over the past two years without inflating the numbers.  Either that or we should all stop watching the news!

And that's a reasonable guess Eddie, similar to my point. But this kind of frustration stems from the belief that the vaccine strategy is effective, the only behaviour that matters and the expectation that everybody should just do the right thing. The vaccination rates are higher than the initial targets too, but we can't be satisfied with that?
Nurses have always been under pressure and the wards have always has significant numbers of people who don't do what they should healthwise. OK at present this has been highlighted.
The comment is of course designed to prove a double standard, it doesn't. You can take covid seriously, look after your health in other ways, respect some aspects of medical healthcare and still be unvaccinated.  The comparison between a healthy person not choosing a vaccine that they are suspicious of vs. Then being treated when seriously ill is facile and not informative.
I suppose I am just sad and frustrated that at times we are being triggered into conflict and tribalism over this issue. 
As you say, the comment may even be made up and if so I've been foolish to get caught by the bait.
This thread is important though and I've found it helpful to follow people's thoughts because I just don't see or hear enough debate which has worried me.

He adds a little more context if you read the entire thread, amongst others there are these;
But yeah I would agree that twitter isn't the best medium, unfortunately its one of the most popular and if you're a freelance data analyst looking for work, its free advertising.

So what is the motivation to make the 'ironic' comment? Likelynto be resentment. Now of course, if you are over-worked,stressed and maybe even traumatised, you are in a threat focused mental state and will blame others. I have no difficulty empathising with that, however as a professional clinician it would help to be mindful of this.   furthermore, having worked in the NHS, I appreciate that mis-management and underfunding of services are a major issue. Maybe my issue should more be with the people who share this kind of comment. It comes across as smugly enjoying the suffering of the patient, to score a point. Not pleasant.
None of us should be so arrogant as assume we are so sure about what is the right course of action. There are major ethical dilemmas here and all some of us want is to promote critical analysis in the face of a dominant view that claims to know best.

Agreed, also,the policy of dissuading people to seek treatment until very breathless was wrong.  Early treatment should have been given greater emphasis 

I think its more to do with the fact that he is Welsh and the draconian restrictions they had imposed on them before Christmas - as he has mentioned in other comments.  The tweet simply points out that 90%+ of all omicron cases are in the vaccinated rather than focussing on which vaccinated (or unvaccinated) group is fairing better - hence 'time for a new plan'.
But keep pushing your narrative with the hyperbolic language, its probably working on someone.

I think its more to do with the fact that he is Welsh and the draconian restrictions they had imposed on them before Christmas - as he has mentioned in other comments.  The tweet simply points out that 90%+ of all omicron cases are in the vaccinated rather than focussing on which vaccinated (or unvaccinated) group is fairing better - hence 'time for a new plan'.
But keep pushing your narrative with the hyperbolic language, its probably working on someone.

Because you stated that he provided a false presentation of the data, whereas wha he actually did was add a note of caution ?
If you want to debunk the data, go ahead but lets not put words in the mouth of a guy that 'has won awards from the Royal Statistical Society and United Nations for the presentation of data.'  Sorry I meant charlatan ?

And I've said its from ONS study of death certificates.  And As above I  have compeltely debunked Jenkins point on vaccination.