Chester40

Is that Rohl and rat?

The implication Warne only dropped Hourihane because of fan criticism is pretty naïve to be fair, and does come across like trying to undermine Warne's success by giving the credit to fans that were whinging at the time?

I was meaning all 3.....

Eric
4 of 6 episodes in. It's very visually compelling somehow. Lots of programmes start and I'm trying not to mess on my phone and initially feel apathetic, not the case with this.
It has the feel of a (long, slow) film rather than a mini-series. The characters are stronger, more immediate... the narrative is more black and white. Somehow the plot doesn't seem totally ridiculous and I'm interested in what it's trying to say - there is a lot of societal commentary and it's done well enough for me to ignore its heavy-handed nature occasionally.
Verges on thinking its cleverer than it possibly is... and Benedict Cumberbatch is definitely marmite.
Not sure I'm 'enjoying' it. But it's definitely got my attention and is different from other series. 

The previous tone (from the mostly now quiet) 'anti-Warne' posters was much more negative,  much more 'shutting down opposing views' etc etc than anything I am seeing now.
And as I said at the time as it a Derby supporter site, felt more antagonistic on top of that as they were hammering the manager, the players, the football,  even Clowes for a short while.  So I can see why - having achieved promotion - to still be moaning even before the transfer window has opened about a season that hasn't even started yet can get a bit tiring for some people. (Not arguing that's exactly the case in this instance).
Especially knowing certain posters are just waiting for any excuse to come out of the woodwork with the same incessant negative posting - which at times took over every single thread.
One of my bugbears is when reasonably sensible opposition fans get absolutely jumped on for any tiny criticism of us. Yet some our own fans seem to think it's OK to launch into ridiculous OTT tirades about the club and then act all hard done by when someone eventually tries to counter it.
Anyway, think we just need to move the conversation on... left without the focus of games or transfers this navel gazing is what fills the void. 
Personally I think you're a good poster so hopefully everyone has had their say now and can move on.

Does someone farting constitute a joke? Not really, and I laugh at that.
Now an actual fart joke - where the punchline is 'I'm Tessa Sanderson, not Fatima Whitbread'...  is the funniest thing ever to me.

If that’s the case then Warne going on national radio and stating categorically he wants a better keeper than the ones he had, probably not the biggest vote of confidence. 

Think most of what you wrote was fair, sensible....
But, I totally disagree with this bit.
On the terraces there are more much extreme views expressed all the time. I'm quite liable to lean over and say to my mate 'oh ffs what the **** is abc doing today, he's been absolutely **** all game'.
Or...'why the **** is Warne not making any changes, any idiot see they are going to concede any minute' etc etc.
My mate may agree with my knowledgeable thinking... or say he thinks something totally different. 
The difference is that its left there. Its a brief moment. We both know its desire to see us win that's driving what we say. We move on. We feel better for a moan. On here, it just lingers, gets repeated...over and over at times, gets dissected, over analysed...  the devil makes work for idle hands.
 

Think most of what you wrote was fair, sensible....
But, I totally disagree with this bit.
On the terraces there are more much extreme views expressed all the time. I'm quite liable to lean over and say to my mate 'oh ffs what the **** is abc doing today, he's been absolutely **** all game'.
Or...'why the **** is Warne not making any changes, any idiot see they are going to concede any minute' etc etc.
My mate may agree with my knowledgeable thinking... or say he thinks something totally different. 
The difference is that its left there. Its a brief moment. We both know its desire to see us win that's driving what we say. We move on. We feel better for a moan. On here, it just lingers, gets repeated...over and over at times, gets dissected, over analysed...  the devil makes work for idle hands.
 

Think most of what you wrote was fair, sensible....
But, I totally disagree with this bit.
On the terraces there are more much extreme views expressed all the time. I'm quite liable to lean over and say to my mate 'oh ffs what the **** is abc doing today, he's been absolutely **** all game'.
Or...'why the **** is Warne not making any changes, any idiot see they are going to concede any minute' etc etc.
My mate may agree with my knowledgeable thinking... or say he thinks something totally different. 
The difference is that its left there. Its a brief moment. We both know its desire to see us win that's driving what we say. We move on. We feel better for a moan. On here, it just lingers, gets repeated...over and over at times, gets dissected, over analysed...  the devil makes work for idle hands.
 

The previous tone (from the mostly now quiet) 'anti-Warne' posters was much more negative,  much more 'shutting down opposing views' etc etc than anything I am seeing now.
And as I said at the time as it a Derby supporter site, felt more antagonistic on top of that as they were hammering the manager, the players, the football,  even Clowes for a short while.  So I can see why - having achieved promotion - to still be moaning even before the transfer window has opened about a season that hasn't even started yet can get a bit tiring for some people. (Not arguing that's exactly the case in this instance).
Especially knowing certain posters are just waiting for any excuse to come out of the woodwork with the same incessant negative posting - which at times took over every single thread.
One of my bugbears is when reasonably sensible opposition fans get absolutely jumped on for any tiny criticism of us. Yet some our own fans seem to think it's OK to launch into ridiculous OTT tirades about the club and then act all hard done by when someone eventually tries to counter it.
Anyway, think we just need to move the conversation on... left without the focus of games or transfers this navel gazing is what fills the void. 
Personally I think you're a good poster so hopefully everyone has had their say now and can move on.

Fair points both - I should clarify what sort of comments I'm referring to!
I don't mean the sort of general negative comments that you absolutely do hear a lot in the in the terraces and at the bar before the game. I'm definitely guilty of a groan to the person left or right of me!
I mean the sort of responses you seem to get on here now to reasonable comments/criticisms.
For example, if I'm sat on a supporters bus and I turn to the person next to me and say "I'm a bit worried about how we'll get on in the division above under Warne next season due to X, Y, Z..." I think it's pretty unlikely that that person will turn to me and say they think I'm a victim-blaming bullsh11er and to stop feeling oppressed. Nor are they likely to tell me to "go and sit somewhere else if you don't like it."
If I'm being honest it's the sort of thing that just ends up making me feel less inclined to come on this forum anymore. Which sucks because I live over 200 miles away from Derby so, for me, it's my primary outlet for this sort of stuff. But why bother if that's what the responses will be like now? 
I just think it's a shame. 

I did mate yes, was fascinating how being a 'storyteller' and a documentary maker are very diverse!
 

Probably me, i watched parts 1 and 2 straight through, yes it could have been done quicker but i found it quite fascinating and horrific how some people evade justice for so long.
Making a Murderer was the first series i really watched on Netflix and have been watching true crime stuff ever since.  Did you watch Convicting a Murderer too.  An eye opener as to how a film company can affect our judgement by what they include and what they miss out of a program.

Can't remember who prompted me onto The Jinx series 2, but thanks. 
Felt it was a bit slower, repetitive... but still a good watch and highlighted some absolutely appalling people! Still much prefer Making a Murderer though.
 
 

The previous tone (from the mostly now quiet) 'anti-Warne' posters was much more negative,  much more 'shutting down opposing views' etc etc than anything I am seeing now.
And as I said at the time as it a Derby supporter site, felt more antagonistic on top of that as they were hammering the manager, the players, the football,  even Clowes for a short while.  So I can see why - having achieved promotion - to still be moaning even before the transfer window has opened about a season that hasn't even started yet can get a bit tiring for some people. (Not arguing that's exactly the case in this instance).
Especially knowing certain posters are just waiting for any excuse to come out of the woodwork with the same incessant negative posting - which at times took over every single thread.
One of my bugbears is when reasonably sensible opposition fans get absolutely jumped on for any tiny criticism of us. Yet some our own fans seem to think it's OK to launch into ridiculous OTT tirades about the club and then act all hard done by when someone eventually tries to counter it.
Anyway, think we just need to move the conversation on... left without the focus of games or transfers this navel gazing is what fills the void. 
Personally I think you're a good poster so hopefully everyone has had their say now and can move on.

Yep,  that was deliberate 😀 
Not about 'the best',  just who made you proud, made you want to watch, who you hoped would have a good game,  who you gave latitude to have a poor game....would be your poster on the wall, make you smile.
 

My will have to be. 
Bobby Davison. 
Mark Wright
Dean saunders. 
Started watching Derby in 1979. 

Stimac
Poom
Wanchope or Eranio
 
Born in '83 so never saw the Derby in 70s but a being a Derby fan at secondary school between 95-00 amongst a waves of Man Utd fans, I could hold up head up with pride with the Derby players of that first Premier League era. In my life never been better, still hasn't...

Bobby Davison.
Mark Wright
Dean Sturridge.

The previous tone (from the mostly now quiet) 'anti-Warne' posters was much more negative,  much more 'shutting down opposing views' etc etc than anything I am seeing now.
And as I said at the time as it a Derby supporter site, felt more antagonistic on top of that as they were hammering the manager, the players, the football,  even Clowes for a short while.  So I can see why - having achieved promotion - to still be moaning even before the transfer window has opened about a season that hasn't even started yet can get a bit tiring for some people. (Not arguing that's exactly the case in this instance).
Especially knowing certain posters are just waiting for any excuse to come out of the woodwork with the same incessant negative posting - which at times took over every single thread.
One of my bugbears is when reasonably sensible opposition fans get absolutely jumped on for any tiny criticism of us. Yet some our own fans seem to think it's OK to launch into ridiculous OTT tirades about the club and then act all hard done by when someone eventually tries to counter it.
Anyway, think we just need to move the conversation on... left without the focus of games or transfers this navel gazing is what fills the void. 
Personally I think you're a good poster so hopefully everyone has had their say now and can move on.

I genuinely think there are posters who (if we take a polarised view of Warne as the benchmark) sit on both sides of that fence who have behaved in the way you describe. It’s not one sided. You say people weaponise his positives, but then plenty of people have “weaponised” the negatives too citing style of play, interview style, choice of headwear, achievements or lack of at previous clubs etc as sticks to beat Warne with. There are valid observations both for and against Warne, and people taking it to the extreme in both senses in my view.
By my own admission I’m more pro Warne and pro patience than some, I’ve said many times how I just look to live in the moment and enjoy it for what it is. But I’ve then myself been victim to the laughing emojis on posts and people quick to argue and dismiss my stance. Where I’ve shared optimism in matchday threads about our chances, or talked up the contributions of certain squad members (Collins would maybe be the main one) posters have scoffed at those sentiments. That’s why I don’t like the generalisation of bullying being thrown around, I don’t want to be lumped into one group or another, I’m an adult accountable for my own views and conduct, and am sensible enough to recognise that at times I’ve maybe taken issue with one or two people’s views to my own detriment (I’ll forever maintain Dobbin was a good player for us and despite his woeful finishing still played a part 😉) and I then need to reflect and address it myself without being labelled by anyone else.
I’m retreading old ground here, essentially it doesn’t matter what I think, people have their views and conduct themselves how they want, as I’ve said in the past I guess it’s up to me or any other individual if they want to participate in the forum or to step away if it’s not a good experience. 🤷🏻‍♂️ 
EDIT - just to add I don’t believe people are “making it up” if that’s their experience, I don’t like the idea that anyone feel bullied as it’s an abhorrent thing. I object to the insinuation that anyone sharing an opposing view is bullying others. And again, highlighting the duality at play here, as someone who is optimistic I find it dispiriting reading our chances, our squad, our potential signings and our manager being talked down or dismissed especially with what I see as lazy generalisations about age profiles and “former Rotherham” players when there’s evidence disproving those claims. The forum sort of feels like a microcosm of modern society at times, people have their views and that’s it. 

some guy on twitter convinced iverson and murphy have both signed 3 year deals 

No explanation,  debate... arguing, comparing.  Simply three names in order.
 
 
1. Igor Stimac
2. Mark Wright
3. Georgi Kinkladze

Bobby Davison
Dean Saunders
Paul McGrath
Yes there may have been better players at different times, but these 3 gave me the most pleasure 🐏🤗