norwichram

Seeing as Gerrard and his team have been unbeaten in the league for the entire season then it does worry me that Rooney is now advocating approaching things in a different way to Gerrard 😅

That’s nice. Owen will let him know no doubt. Jordon, like a great many, has you on ignore.

For all those who don't get mental health, think of this as an ACL of the brain. He needs a long period of rehabilitation and it may happen again. He needs our help and support and I hope he gets it. 
He's just one of those players who we all took to our hearts and he seemed happy here.
Once a ram........

Come on guys give him all the love and attention he needs to see that he comes through this.
He gave his all for us when with us last time, it’s our turn now.
 

I, probably along with every other member of the forum, have absolutely no idea what sort of mental state Jordon is currently in. If he's in a fragile situation then to have him participate in any sort of 'investigation' could significantly worsen the condition so maybe this is a factor in the length of time being taken to resolve matters. To do otherwise would be tantamount to cruelty.
As I said, we don't know but if the Club decide to bide their time then who are we to question this?

.... and with a pessimistic fan base.

Judging by your username, this probably wouldn't relevant to you but if I was talking to someone just embarking on their employment life, I'd tell them that there will plenty of bumps in the road, it's likely your employer will do things the really pee you off. Things will sometimes seem unfair and unjust but these are things you'll have to deal with. Your career is essentially a competition and the winners will be the people who handle these things the best. Flouncing is just not a good career move.

But unless he comes out and says that and confirms the takeover is off, I’m not going to speculate that it is.
Likewise I’m also not going to speculate that Mel has no money left and if this takeover doesn’t happen then we will go into administration and we will face a similar fate to Wigan. Sounds melodramatic but some people are leaping to such conclusions.
Until Mel says something we don’t know. I agree with people requesting answers and commenting in a considered way, just not the baseless hysteria I’ve seen on Twitter and much of this thread, not helped by Wollaton Red Dog when he was allowed to post and I wonder if there are anymore who have infiltrated us.
 
FWIW, if the takeover doesn’t happen I don’t think it will be a bad thing. If we can get a loan signing as back up to Kazim we will have more than enough to survive, I personally think we have enough now and there are three worst teams. We will also continue to follow the strategy to build for the future through the academy that will make us sustainable and successful in the long term.  
 
Hopefully the players won’t have lasting effects of COVID and we can field a strong team against Rotherham and build on the excellent performances of Rooney’s tenure and continue the pick up the points per game that will see us clear of trouble. 

You wouldn't blame Rooney or any of the players for walking away from 'this circus', Millennium,  but you keep coming back for more.
You must be made of sterner stuff.

I know a lot of people said Cocu could have justifiably walked multiple times during his tenure, but aren't we reaching that point with Wayne?
Not allowed to make any signings (so far) in his first ever transfer window as a manager because we failed to pay wages. No certainty whatsoever regarding the takeover, which is becoming embarrassing for him whenever he's asked about it.
I'm not trying to slate the club, but I certainly wouldn't begrudge Rooney for walking. His stock is probably higher now than it was before he took the reins, and he's having to deal with a load more poo than any rookie manager should expect to put up with.

These are not worrying times or the lowest point those came in the early 1980’s under Mike Wattersons tenure (although not really of his making ) and the end of Maxwells. It’s pretty clear that the wages will be paid next week either by Mel or the new owners if they takeover finally goes through as announced  per John Percy’s tweet .My opinion as a fan since 1970 others may choose to disagree 
 

I guess the clear distinction is between someone perceiving that they are being trolled and whether they actually were or not. 
Point I'm trying to make is peoples tolerance or threshold levels are totally different from person to person. Doesn't mean though that their perception isn't valid but it also doesn't mean by the same token that the alleged act also took place. 

A lot of these tier 3 and 4 teams have a hard core of either ex-league players, often at Championship level, or Academy players who have been released, (Jamie Vardy being an example of one of the latter.) Some even have experience at national representative level.
They keep themselves fit, so training twice a week means concentrating on set pieces and the like with their team-mates, who probably live many miles away and have other jobs. They are definitely NOT pub players.
It is no disgrace losing to teams of this calibre in the circumstances.

A) not even the first team train EVERY day
B) academy players are sometimes still at school or college so will perhaps only get a couple of two hour training sessions a week until they go full time pro
C) nonsense about the opposition. Most still harbour hopes of playing at higher levels. They are non-league, NOT amateur. There’s a distinction. 
 
D) Why would you hold a bunch of kids to a higher standard than seasoned professionals? I’ve seen the best players in the best leagues in the world take air shots, trip over their own feet and pass the ball straight into touch. 
 
E) I personally think you should have some understanding and compassion/empathy. Imagine how intimidating it would be for these unblooded youngsters! How can YOU not realistically expect them to be out of their depth! 
 
F) Their development, and the level of competition they are used to, means they’re only used to playing against teams who try and play the same way, passing and moving. There’ll be no exposure to 18st 6ft2in opponents throwing physicality about! 
 
G) How would you be feeling right now, if any of those who played today was your son? Proud? Or Embarrassed? 
 
all in all, I don’t disagree that it wasn’t great, but your damning and overly harsh judgement says more about your lack of grip on reality than it says about the kids that played !!

I don’t think you have to come here justifying how your club has taken steps to ensure this game goes ahead. It’s a chance for your club to set themselves up financially for a good year, maybe longer, and I applaud your dedication to the cause.
Whatever the result tomorrow I hope your club’s future is assured for another year because I wouldn’t rule out a suspension of the season before long. All the best. (after tomorrow, like) 😉

The enemy is at the gate, I am your commander, get behind me so we can all run away together.

FFS .. what about fight, rising to a challenge, commitment, self belief, never say die, opportunity for youth, trying something., oh yes .. and respecting the cup - something this great club has actually won, respect for our opponents and their efforts to make a pitch playable with limited resources and at financial risk to themselves. 
 
unless there is an irresponsible risk to health or we don’t have enough players then the game must be played in the best traditions of sport. 

Not very sporting ! Honestly that is a cheap shot. It’s a big day for Chorley. This is the cup. They have drawn a well known side with some history.They want this game on. They are sportsmen. We have been unfortunate but what would our reaction be in their position? .. For me this is part of the story of the cup. It’s as much a piece of sport and history given these events ... Chorley triumph at our expense because they had to initiative and intent to go for it with pitch heaters, laying off the beer and taking an opportunity while we had our Covid problem .. or Derby’s academy kids puffed their chests out, gave it all and proved their credentials under difficult circumstances.. it’s the game, it’s sport, it’s a contest it’s dreaming .. I am loving the drama the uncertainty, the hopes and fears  ... that’s sport. It’s going to be a cracking match and a great “virtual” day out.  

There's a thread in the Jim Smith Room on Anxiety, Depression and Stress that I've posted on a few times being a sufferer of one of the above throughout my life. 
Would be heartening to see some of the posts on here transferred into that thread as clearly it is apparent that there is a fundamental lack of awareness or appreciation of this illness amongst a number of posters.

This forum right now...

Nobody is obliged to spew idle gossip that is in some cases, borderline libellous, all over these threads just because they can. And just because you can, doesn't mean you should, a concept most grown ups should find easy to process. Slandering players without any material knowledge of what they have been charged with IS  NOT the purpose of this forum, far from it and offering that as justification, or saying 'these are my opinions and I'm entitled to them' is weak as duck. 
Just consider, for one moment, that if Jordon is in a really dark place right now, what effect reading some of the BS on here might have on him. What are some of the triggers, do you think, that transition people from struggling with depression to simply giving up and taking their own lives? Lack of understanding? Needless and pointless criticism? Cyber bullying? Inferring that people should just snap out of it and if they don't then they're just feckless malingerers...
It beggars belief that there are still some dinosaurs on here who can't understand that depression is real, not imagined or made up and it can't just be switched off because some angry old men on a forum think it should be. 
 
 

I hope he gets playing again and playing well for us, I really do. I hope it’s soon as well for him and us. 

I tell you what.
There's some ruthless bar steward's on this thread I'm glad will never be in a position to make decisions on an individual's employment.

And as @LeedsCityRam commented, pre match huddle, (cuddle) he’s the captain! Before, during especially, and post match keep an eye on him, encouraging all the time. And with opposition players he really interacts with them, helping up after a tackle, having a smile and laugh at times. I didn’t know much about him but, listening and watching in interview, he’s a proper character. My ‘All things Polish’ bromance is being put to the test here.... 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🇹🇷 🇵🇱 could get messy ...... 

Send him to live with Jordon Ibe, please.

You're right in that if we sold him in more normal times for 1m where he had a 5m book value we would take a 4m FFP hit.  However with revenues being hit hard by Covid, the temporary FFP rules allow for the knock on effect of reduced player values to be taken into account and it would seem we can write off the 4m loss against Covid and it won't effect FFP.
This means that instead of dancing around FFP we can take a more 'business orientated' approach. i.e. Would we prefer 1m to reinvest in new players and potentially reduce the wage bill in the process?

Classic player at this level and has been for many years. Served Derby well these last few seasons... however, he is beginning to belong to an old school style that is waning so fast now in modern football. Everything is faster, fitter and his tackles show that small margin, speed of thought his best days are fading fast. 
He would do a cracking job for a Karanka style manager.