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Is this a cut and paste from the Bobby Duncan 2020 thread ?

Just watching back the highlights 
He's going to demolish that league if he stays fit,  such a complete player and athlete. To be that bug and strong, but then accelerate over 5 yards, its terrifying how good he looks.
Imagine him with us in league one

Why would you want to listen to them two mardy personality vacuums though?! 

Undr the cosh is what i consider the best if you want a behind closed doors insight. Always eventful stories.  Steve davies was my favourite one the bywater hotel story cracked me up.
 
NTT20 is what it says on the tin. Every club except the premier league discussed weekly.  Hosts George and ali have so much in depth knowledge of players and lower league teams its commendable.
Dont always agree with them but respect their opinion. They dont show bias and give an honest personal view of current events

Undr The Cosh and The Fozcast by Ben Foster, pretty much the only 2 I listen to now, well watch as they are on YouTube.
So many out there now it’s almost impossible to keep up with unless you have no other interests than football.
Used to listen to more, including all the fan produced Derby County ones which are excellent, it’s just reading opinions on this forum, social media, when I put the phone or computer down, last thing I need is more Derby/football content.
Undr The Cosh fills the Magic Sponge gap, digs into former players/managers careers pulling out stories, if you haven’t seen any, jump on YouTube and dig out the Mark Crossley ones just for his Brian Clough impression and stories.
Another would be the Jeff Winter episode and Leon Knight, although you have to take his stories with a huge pinch of salt with that one. 
They have recorded one with Stephen Bywater which I literally cannot wait for, they are holding on to it as he’s requested it isn’t released yet which only builds the interest as he must have revealed some stuff.

Magic Sponge used to be decent.
Just all about the stuff footballers would get up to. s*** filled cup cakes, managers scrapping with people for a laugh, that sort of stuff.

Moment of Truth is the best football podcast I've listened to.
Rotherham manager Paul Warne and Oxford's Karl Robinson are mic'd up for the last 3 months of last season.
Very insightful. It's on BBC sounds.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2022/moment-of-truth-new-bbc-sounds-podcast

Fairly mainstream one but the Peter crouch podcast is excellent

NTT20. An EFL podcast which helpfully for us this season doesn’t skimp on L1 (and L2)

Try Under the Cosh, I watch them on youtube but they are downloadable as podcasts
 
Here's a Derby related one
 
This Forest t*** has some funny stories
 

Good luck to him
Very harsh to write him off completely. The coaches and manager haven't got rid permanently so I assume they still believe he can do something. They see a lot more than we do from the 20 mins or so you might see him as a sub etc. 
Players aren't robots, and a lot of things can affect how they play. Run of games, bit of self belief, experience in the adult game (not the u23's) may all help reach a decent level. I imagine seeing Plange doing his thing can put real pressure on a kid in the same position, he's probably so desperate to get some goals and get his career underway that it hinders your game. Hopefully he feels less pressure at Carlisle and finds the net. 

For everything you’ve just said, I think had we been operating last season, as say 2 years back under Lampard, it would’ve been highly likely he’d have gone out on loan for the 2nd half of the season had he been fit. The only reason he was more under the first team microscope, was the state of our threadbare squad. 
Players do develop at different times as someone else commented, Cashin for instance only started to get his chance in pre season last year and again was forced to wait because of circumstances, but again I suspect under Championship seasons of more than 2 years back, would probably have been loaned out to a league 1 or 2 club. The benefit of our threadbare squad, worked to his advantage when Jags went and he outperformed Stearman. Any other year he’d still have been largely waiting in my opinion.
Don’t get why fans can’t wish him the chance to build confidence, with a Manager that looks after him, ultimately to come back from a successful loan spell, to feature more prominently for us. That has to be the goal, for as many of our home grown talent as possible. Let’s see what he does before writing him off here.

Good luck to him
Very harsh to write him off completely. The coaches and manager haven't got rid permanently so I assume they still believe he can do something. They see a lot more than we do from the 20 mins or so you might see him as a sub etc. 
Players aren't robots, and a lot of things can affect how they play. Run of games, bit of self belief, experience in the adult game (not the u23's) may all help reach a decent level. I imagine seeing Plange doing his thing can put real pressure on a kid in the same position, he's probably so desperate to get some goals and get his career underway that it hinders your game. Hopefully he feels less pressure at Carlisle and finds the net. 

Good luck to him
Very harsh to write him off completely. The coaches and manager haven't got rid permanently so I assume they still believe he can do something. They see a lot more than we do from the 20 mins or so you might see him as a sub etc. 
Players aren't robots, and a lot of things can affect how they play. Run of games, bit of self belief, experience in the adult game (not the u23's) may all help reach a decent level. I imagine seeing Plange doing his thing can put real pressure on a kid in the same position, he's probably so desperate to get some goals and get his career underway that it hinders your game. Hopefully he feels less pressure at Carlisle and finds the net. 

Good luck to him
Very harsh to write him off completely. The coaches and manager haven't got rid permanently so I assume they still believe he can do something. They see a lot more than we do from the 20 mins or so you might see him as a sub etc. 
Players aren't robots, and a lot of things can affect how they play. Run of games, bit of self belief, experience in the adult game (not the u23's) may all help reach a decent level. I imagine seeing Plange doing his thing can put real pressure on a kid in the same position, he's probably so desperate to get some goals and get his career underway that it hinders your game. Hopefully he feels less pressure at Carlisle and finds the net. 

Good luck to him
Very harsh to write him off completely. The coaches and manager haven't got rid permanently so I assume they still believe he can do something. They see a lot more than we do from the 20 mins or so you might see him as a sub etc. 
Players aren't robots, and a lot of things can affect how they play. Run of games, bit of self belief, experience in the adult game (not the u23's) may all help reach a decent level. I imagine seeing Plange doing his thing can put real pressure on a kid in the same position, he's probably so desperate to get some goals and get his career underway that it hinders your game. Hopefully he feels less pressure at Carlisle and finds the net. 

Rosenior said he didn’t want him to go permanently. Watch his pre match interview. 

Maybe that's the issue that needs looking at? Not the advertisers of gambling, loans, food etc (the list is long)
But maybe more needs to happen to protect people vulnerable to such things from actually falling into these traps. 8ts very hard to recognise the signs though.
I've mentioned my own problems with gambling and drugs, no one close to me would have guessed either though unless I did something terrible in which case its too late.
I honestly don't know what the best approach is ?‍♂️

The problem is that there will always be a small number of people who, for whatever reason, are incapable of taking personal responsibility. Mental health issues make it almost impossible for some to dig themselves out of the big dark hole they find themselves in and they become increasingly incapable of rational thought.
As a sad example, a close member of my family has dreadful mental health problems caused by cerebral palsy. He cannot stop spending money and although he has a well paid job he takes out loan after loan from unscrupulous lenders. His parents have had to spend £20,000 to keep the bailiffs from the door over the past 2 years and yet as soon as the debts are paid he is bombarded again on line with the same advertising offering him more loans which he accepts.
I wish more could be done to protect vulnerable people against being exploited this way. It's a nightmare for themselves and for their families. They can't help their character flaws, mental health issues, lack of self control or whatever it is that leads to compulsive behaviour.

It's a difficult one and it's very easy to say it should be banned when you read heartbreaking stories. I myself have an addictive personality and have my own issues as a youngster with gambling and drugs amongst other things. I remember a specific moment being told about a dead cert and putting everything I had in my account on it chasing money I'd spent elsewhere.
But I found the issue was ultimately me, my personality and my own flaws. 
Maybe some limitations might help making it so normal and easily accessible? But at some point I think individuals have to take some personal responsibility. Otherwise everyone will need everything controlled, alcohol, junk food, shopping habits, porn etc. All can lead to addiction and all can have severe consequences.
I don't want that to come across as insensitive and I feel for the original poster and the poor guys family and friends. 
That's just my view, which is of course, one of many different ones. I don't know if my view is right, skewed by my own experiences. Maybe I still blame myself for a past me instead of outside factors, I don't know.

I don't disagree with what you are saying, and I know betting companies have no real concern over my health. The only reason they pretend to care is to themselves. 
I do believe online slots etc, where its constantly available to play 24/7 are dangerous and should be limited in some way (although I'm not sure how) but I also don't believe in censoring things so it's difficult for me to say all sponsorship should be banned. I'm going to keep tabs on the thread and read other thoughts though. It's interesting to hear different views and experiences to understand better 

Trust me , I’ve got a personal masters in addiction, up to age 35 being destroyed by it then many years after that helping others to escape it as I have with a lot of hard work and luck and in the main trying to find addiction s to things that are relatively good for me ,
all you can do is have very clear strong messages about the dangers of these things ie gambling / booze/ drugs ect to help discourage starting , recognise the signs of addiction becoming a problem for the participant and family and friends ,then have the help available in abundance ,,,, just look at the USA history with prohibition and the numbers rackets 
we addicts find a way no matter what and the more underground we are driven the worse it is 
still , just my opinion based on person experience , one thing I’ve found in myself and other addiction sufferers is we all seem to have a compulsion for self destruction no matter what the addiction is to

When folk get upset about the country grinding to a halt for snow, you have to ask yourself (as a tax payer) if you'd really be happy to pay the many, many tens of millions for extra snowploughs and prep that we'd need to keep the country running, in the full knowledge that they'd all be sitting about deteriorating for 360 days every year? Countries that cope better than us with wintery weather tend to do so because they expect more show and ice so are willing to pay....

The gambling companies like the story to be that it is about your choice.  To some extent it is of course, but online casinos are so addictive, it gets beyond you very easily.  There must be some reason why some people get addicted and some (most) don't, but not having the addictive product put in front of your face would help not becoming addicted.  My Gambling with Lives colleagues would say that you shouldn't blame yourself for becoming addicted.  It was because Jack did blame himself that he took his own life.

Sorry I'm just going to add to the above. 
I do think all this "virtual betting" needs cutting back with max stakes per day. For the people I've seen addicted, the main go to is virtual slots, virtual racing, virtual roulette where its all been predetermined to make sure you never come out on top in the long run. I remember seeing a lad in the bookies with his £400 cash meant for some bill. Playing slots and was upto £1000 up... He was that addicted that winning just didn't seem enough, he walked out with out the £1000 profit or £400 he walked in with that day. And I saw the look in his eyes of despair.
So I don't agree with a complete ban, but there should be limits on how much a betting company can take off you on a predetermined event.