ScubaRam

37 minutes ago, maxjam said:

This thread doesn't have to get political but freedom of speech is highly political.  Virtually every major talking point these days highlights and exacerbates the division between the left and the right.  Social media companies routinely take the (far) left stance leaving those on the right treading on eggshells.  For every left-wing commentator that gets banned there are probably 10x as many on the right.

I personally don't see it as a left/right issue. The right are certainly more vocal when it comes to having their freedom of speech denied, but as we seen with the Joe Lycett on the BBC - The Daily Mail are then the first to engage in cancel culture themselves. 

We've got ourselves in a position where vocal grumps can't accept critism nor a differing view, and then start bashing their keyboards in protest. Sadly its more than social media - although its certainly given a platform to many who previously didn't have one. Even my old man struggles to get his head around how a Brexit supporting Tory has produced a Environment loving lefty. I can't mention anything political to him without him getting enraged. Its sad really and I just stay clear of those conversations now. 

A lot of people just like getting mad over things that they don't need to be, but I think news channels, radio stations and social media is all geared up to doing just that. 

17 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

I don't think the EFL has done much wrong???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

 

 

For context I would like to direct you to the sentence I written before the one you highlighted. ? 

2 hours ago, Andicis said:

Not a chance is he the best driver on the grid. He lost to a rookie Lewis Hamilton in the same machinery. He's a good driver, but these days not a great one.

Sadly its not about the same machinery in Formula One, but I get your point. I'd argue that Ham lost to Button in the same car as well, however I'd put Ham ahead of Button. We'll agree to disagree. ? 

14 minutes ago, hintonsboots said:

Well they have already achieved their aim of putting us in League 1. The treatment of this this football club by our esteemed regulator in cahoots with Steve Gibson and the Wycombe owner ( nobody can remember his name ) can only be described as a witch hunt. Now at the eleventh hour they are pretending to rescue us from a situation mainly of their own making. Maybe they have developed a conscience and some moral standards at last.

I get that this is an opinion that many share on here, however in my opinion the situation we are in, is completely at the making of MM. I won't pretend that I know much about what is going on other that what I read about on here, but I cannot get my head around why MM was able to appoint the admins, and that MM is still able to hold so much weight on who takes over the club. 

Other than the inconsistences on how rules are applied / members able to sue one another, I don't think the EFL have done much wrong. I'm actually glad they are taking a lot stronger stance on Derby now and demanding to be part of the process, because quite frankly, I think Q have been a nightmare within this. I heard on Radio Derby an interview with another administrator during the early days of our admin, they said they held weekly press conferences. Q haven't communicated with the fans, allowed rumours to gather momentum, and are now threatening fans from the conversations they read about. Its crazy. 

I think the EFL or some kind or regulatory body needs to be part of any future administration process for any club going forward. Football clubs aren't like any other business. 

For what its worth I think I've lost faith in CK. I don't know the red tape side of things, but him posting all over Twitter and then going AWOL certainly hasn't helped matters. We the fans are the Tw*ts that go week in week out giving them our money and we've not been shown any respect by Q, CK or MM throughout all this. Its all mind games and its doing my head right it. Kinda like being a kid and seeing your parents arguing in the same room as you. 

Ah well. My thoughts on a Sunday evening. 

2 hours ago, Andicis said:

Fernando Alonso is just a bit of a knob isn't he? 

 

He is, which is prob the reason hes not found himself in the top teams in recent times. In my opinion hes the best driver on the grid though. 

9 minutes ago, Caerphilly Ram said:

Club failing to “read the room”? Do they know there’s still hope despite the sense of doom? Did they just want to show off some lovely looking lawn work? 
So much of this doesn’t add up, evidence of prep for next season like this and Mickleover announcing a pre season friendly against us, when certain media outlets are suggesting that we’re doomed, where’s the truth I wonder? 
 

The grounds people and t'others will be still paid to complete a job. As it stands that job, like all seasons, is to prepare for the players return and the new season. They'll keep doing that until its completely tittyus uppius 

2 minutes ago, Ewe Ram said:

Now there’s a rumour that ex Wolves owner Steve Morgan is interested in a takeover. Where have these people been all this time? It’s not like we haven’t had our name dragged through the mud for 2 years and nobody heard about it 

The price will only be dropping for the club as we get more desperate. These people know when you make their move. 

Ah, fair play to them. It'll be a long week at work, but we wasn't going to be in their division anyway. 

9 minutes ago, YouRams said:

Dangerous, basically they're getting admins on their pay books that clubs have no choice but to go with, they can't find their own that will speak up against the EFL like Quant have.

EFL needs to be investigated and overturned quickly they're literally turning into the football Mafia doing what they please, again why I'm so ****** off with Mel he had them on the ropes and just gave up. 

I hear what you are saying and I do agree. However, on the flip side we currently have ex owners who can and have ran the clubs into the ground, who then can appoint the admin. Quant haven't acted in the clubs best interests I don't feel like, however our ex owner, whose judgement I don't agree with, says these are the right people. That doesn't sit quite right with me also. There is a middle ground somewhere, I'm sure more people who know more than me on the matter can say where that is.  

9 hours ago, plymouthram said:

Would it be good if Mike Ashley bought the stadium off MM and then went into joint ownership with Kirchner with the club. Or have i drunk too much beer.

Haha. Maybe!

I have nothing to base this on, but I have a feeling MM and MA might have already done a deal for the stadium. MA didn't get the preferred bidder status which is fine, they just have to hold out. MM wants the stadium gone, so there is no interest in MM making a deal for the stadium with anyone else. This allows MM to continue to control the process.  When the 'Preferred Bidder' status expires MM and MA can resume and finalise. 

MA knows what he is doing. I can't see CK buying this club.  

Again, nowt to base this on, just my thoughts. 

 

43 minutes ago, TuffLuff said:

I wouldn’t be against giving Ed the presenter role and getting a new commentator in. Ed takes a lot of criticism online, sometimes it’s fair but think he’s taken the brunt of a lot of maybe what was collective mistakes.

It’s a bit hard to explain but I think CC wants to be a sports reporter whilst Ed wants to be a Derby County reporter? And there’s a difference in how you go about each role and both have been learning as they go? Or maybe sounds a bit more backhanded than I intended but anyway. 

So Ed has been the one talking to sources and probably knows a lot more of what’s going on, but because he’s got a more emotional aspect then I think it sways how he come across. So criticisms of him coming across a bit ‘I know something you don’t know’ or that he can be a bit sniping are valid, but I don’t think it comes from a bad place and his info isn’t ever really wrong (or if it is he puts his hands up to it!).

CC has kept his head down and done his work, and he’s very good at it, but as fans got desperate then Ed would be the one trying to keep everyone , informed which was an impossible task, and took a lot of criticism whilst doing it.

It’s been a bugger of a couple of seasons reporting on Derby County, especially for local journalists, they’ve essentially had to learn as they go whilst competing with national journalists for their info. 

If not Ed, a wild card choice would be Ryan Conway if he was still in the area. A decent journalist at The Athletic who’s got some character,  maybe just needs a few improvements with his info and things like that but wouldn’t be an awful choice if he’s trainable.

 

I agree with this. For what its worth I don't mind ED. Listening to other local radio stations, we could have done a lot worse! I think ED has received some unfair criticism in not getting information out there fast enough or after others. With WR in charge were going to have a national appeal so competing with the resources and contacts (?) of the big newspapers is always going to be hard. But as well as that, DCFC are a club that hides behind closed doors and statements. I like that ED cares, they do a good job for me. 

CC is a loss though. Heard him on 5live t'other day. Big shoes to fill. ? 

I had got my head around Derby getting relegated and didn't think I'd be that bothered. Yet when I saw on TV that Reading scored I was  gutted. 

I didn't think it would work out with Rooney (I was hopeful of Mac3) as our manager. Like Lampard before him, he'd sail off at the first chance and leave us behind like a forgotten memory. I'm glad to be wrong and seeing him standing outside the gates of the training ground in front of the players, talking to the fans after the club has just been relegated, proved just how wrong I was. I read the Forest forum before coming onto here and saw a couple of comments from knuckle draggers complaining that we should be ashamed of how we've gone down (cheating and all that jazz), not understanding why most/all of us felt pride. 
Yes I was gutted that we went down, but that video of Rooney outside of the training ground is just what I needed to see. It's moments like that as to why you support your local club, not Liverpool or Man City. How many kids were there watching that? Would the kids of the aforementioned clubs been able to see amazing moments like that at there clubs? Thats why its important to back local. The connection. Rooney gets it. 

I'm proud to be apart of this, even if my part is just sat on my seat cheering them on. ? 

You Rams. ? 

2 hours ago, ariotofmyown said:

I was in Athens last week and saw the Olympicanos ground. Couldn't remember if it was that club that the Forest owner also owned, so look it up. Ended up reading about his dodgy past. Jeez, I knew there were rumours of a shady background, but he basically sounds like a mafia boss. If Forest do go up, perhaps he might eventually get some media attention. Look at the abuse someone like Mike Ashley gets for being obnoxious and not a particularly likeable business owner.

If they do go up, there is also something very worrying about giving this guy a few 100 million in Premier League riches. What does this sort of character do with this fortune? 

He makes Mel's crimes of overspending on Anya, Blackman and Butterfield seem like relatively minor crimes.

If, like me, you don't know much about him, take a look here and read the Controversies section. Fit and proper!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelos_Marinakis

Where do you stop when you start looking into someones (some business) past before judging them 'fit and proper'. 
Like has been mentioned, no one was bothered about when Chelsea was getting their money from until a white country (I say white man because some who are now outraged were fine when it was us bombing the **** out of middle eastern counties) started getting bombed. 

Do you spend your money at Shell - well there there are questions over their role and killings in the Niger Delta (Nigeria), clothing brands - sweatshops....your Apple phone (children mining gold & forced labour in China). I know this isn't something that you brought up, but more feeding into my wider point that it is not just a football world problem Western culture picks and chooses what it deems to be outraged at depending on which way the political wind is blowing. 

We have just got rid of a dodgy owner, no he doesnt contain a fraction of the dodginess as our chums down the A52. We can highlight this, but we're okay to look past other areas outside the footballing world when other dodgy things are carries out. 

I'm rambling and I'm not sure where I'm going with this. Haha. I just think the acceptance of ignoring things that aren't right runs throughout society, just people seem to be more bothered about it within football. hm. 

Crazy times. But how many times has the 30something generation has to say that? 
I heard on LBC that Russia have an insane about of gold, then tie in the natural resources they have and how embedded the European, particularly the British financial system is Russian money, what can governments actually do without doing over their own citizens massively. In our case its not like the PM has a lot of political capital to shield him from another increase in the cost of living. 
I guess lets just hope as few innocent people are killed / displaced as possible. Start there and see what mess awaits. ? 

15 minutes ago, Oldben said:

It wasn't just about the 4 players, it was/is about the amount of money we can spend on the salary.

The other teams are not restricted in the same way

Now our teams so weak we are uncompetitive.

We've lost one game and drawn another, to stay up, we needed all 6 points.

Another way to look at it is we closed 1 point on reading. Who seem to be doing everything within their power to help us stay up. 
 

we keep chipping away, the gap is shrinking. 

History in staying up or through another lowest points record? ? 

13 minutes ago, Reggie Greenwood said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3582034/Leicester-City-s-Premier-League-success-restored-faith-football-darker-fairytale.html

what a lovely club 

Half way down that article they describe Derby… 

the club that lives beyond its means but it doesn’t work out for them. Funny old world at times. 

3 hours ago, BriggRam said:

Yeah.......he is being a Dick now

Its a shame. Few years back the club acknowledged that the lad lost his child. During the 90 minutes its a pantomime. It's Derby fans job to make the environment has uncomfortable to play it to give our team the best chance of success. He constantly scores against us, we're not going to encourage that behaviour. He's out of order, I feel.  

37 minutes ago, ketteringram said:

BBC radio five mentioned today , that our final points deduction could end up at 37. 

They didn't bother explaining that figure though ?

Why stop there. Let’s round it up to 40 points and give us a proper challenge. 

I quite like how Radio Derby cover the club in general to be honest. Would quite like to hear Steels perspective on the situation but I guess he has other commitments. I really like Chris hosting though. 

6 hours ago, Brailsford Ram said:

Wayne Rooney is holding this club together single handedly at the moment. He is the only leader we can look to and it is imperative that the fans continue to back him as they have done so magnificently so far.

I am 69 and I have been watching the team since 1961. I was lucky enough to watch the Clough and Mackay teams that succeeded on the spirit of their managers. Rooney is emulating that spirit, without having any hope of winning the prizes they did. But he could be the catalyst for the phoenix that rises from the ashes of the Morris regime.  He could easily have walked away. Whilst ever he is fighting on our behalf, please get behind him. He has been a great force in the English game throughout his career. Let us hope he can continue to be that very same force on our behalf in the battle that faces us.

Let us all get behind him.

 

I wasn’t overly keen when he got the job, and after the season finished wanted him to move on. Delighted that I’ve been proven wrong, if we’re going down, we’re going down fighting - this is down to him. Fair play to the lad. 

7 minutes ago, jono said:

Whatever happens .. I don’t trust the EFL.

There is a nasty streak They could hit us time and again 12 now, another 9 later plus 3 for some other suspended punishment and anything else this vindictive self serving pompous excuse for representatives of all clubs can dream up. 

Do you not think we deserve these punishments though? Weve gone into administration (12pt) We broken FFP (9/12pt). We've not paid out bills (transfer embargo) and we have an owner whose just walked away (EFL trying to enforce a business plan that doesn't see us fall out of the league). I don't buy this EFL have it in for us.

10 hours ago, Gaspode said:

We’ll hold the low points record for both the Premier League and the Championship…..

Now that is ‘the Derby way’

32 minutes ago, Orphanram said:

Don’t know if this has been posted elsewhere or if there is anything in it

Does this mean that we could be placed into administration (which reduces our debts?) and then maybe someone will buy up out of that. That's an additional points deduction, right? 

Personally I don't see what the EFL has done wrong. It has been Derby who decided to do their accounts different to all of the other clubs. It is a situation that we have brought upon ourselves through trying to be too clever. 

Where we are at currently, again, I'm not sure what the EFL can do differently. They want Derby to agree a punishment so neither of them has to go through the courts again which will take even longer. We are in conversation with them rather than flat out denying there should be any punishment, so were guilty of something. With the business plan, I'm of the view that the EFL actually have our interests at heart. We have a football club that is haemorrhaging money with a owner who wants out. EFL want to a plan created where we don't go down the toilet, I guess they can't take Mel at his word. 

Like everyone I want this over as quickly as possible, but I'm of the view that we've brought this upon ourselves. I'd quite like a club in the football league to take my kid to next season when hes old enough.