Duffield Ram Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Personally I think he will be a key player this year, without trying to state the obvious. Great attitude and really vocal, so I think with Barks influence off of the pitch aswell he will do well! I hope so anyway as I like what I've seen of him so far in 3 games. Granted I didnt see the Burton game, where some of the criticism has come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I don't really understand why people have got hung up on Shackell when we've replaced him with Keogh. From what I saw of Shackell, yes he was a great tackler and header of the ball but as soon as he had the ball, he didn't know what the hell he was doing. He never ran it out and he often just hoofed it up the pitch. Keogh is good at distributing and bringing the ball out, although he probably isn't as good in the air or tackling-wise. Plus, as others have said, he's a lot more vocal and influential, which can only be a good thing. I think he'll be a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 No but he's been turned twice against lower league players just an observation that's all could turn out ok but we will see If the turn against Burton you are on about is when Adebola went on his Messi-esq-twinkle-toe run, didn't Keogh try and get in front of him to toe the ball away but mis-timed it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I don't really understand why people have got hung up on Shackell when we've replaced him with Keogh. From what I saw of Shackell, yes he was a great tackler and header of the ball but as soon as he had the ball, he didn't know what the hell he was doing. He never ran it out and he often just hoofed it up the pitch. Keogh is good at distributing and bringing the ball out, although he probably isn't as good in the air or tackling-wise. Plus, as others have said, he's a lot more vocal and influential, which can only be a good thing. I think he'll be a great player. I have liked what I have seen for the most part of Keogh. BUT isn't a defenders main job to defend? Winning tackles? Winning headers? Surely we need 1 defender who is the best at that and a defender that is more comfortable on the ball? A keogh-shackell partnership could have been close to the best pairing we have had for a while..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFCfranco Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 who needs shackell weve got buxton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stedcfc Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Think its a bit soon to be judging him. He is probably struggling with the price tag he's come with its a lot of pressure and some players struggle with it. I'm sure after a couple of games in front of a full (half full) pride park and he'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I have liked what I have seen for the most part of Keogh. BUT isn't a defenders main job to defend? Winning tackles? Winning headers? Surely we need 1 defender who is the best at that and a defender that is more comfortable on the ball? A keogh-shackell partnership could have been close to the best pairing we have had for a while..... I'm not saying Keogh isn't good at tackling, I'm just saying he's, in my opinion, a better all-round player than Shackell. And I'd much rather have 2 good all-round players than 2 "specialists" at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.shilton Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I don't really understand why people have got hung up on Shackell when we've replaced him with Keogh. From what I saw of Shackell, yes he was a great tackler and header of the ball but as soon as he had the ball, he didn't know what the hell he was doing. He never ran it out and he often just hoofed it up the pitch. Exactly, What is the point in winning the ball just to give it straight back again? Even simple 5 yard passes often resulted in throw ins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFCfranco Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 shackell was cr@p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 I'm not saying Keogh isn't good at tackling, I'm just saying he's, in my opinion, a better all-round player than Shackell. And I'd much rather have 2 good all-round players than 2 "specialists" at the back. Most of the best teams have specialised CB that work in tandem. Both know what their job is. 1 to attack 1 to cover, you are less likely that both CB go for the ball/leave it for the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.shilton Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 shackell was cr@p Wouldn't go that far but he was overrated in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFCfranco Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 ok shackell was cr@p at distribution compared to keogh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.shilton Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 ok shackell was cr@p at distribution compared to keogh Yep, but Keogh is cr@p compared to Eddie Stobart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Yep, but Keogh is cr@p compared to Eddie Stobart Park Eddie infringing if goal and no ******* going to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p.shilton Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Park Eddie infringing if goal and no ******* going to score. And our distribution would be immense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i84est Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 If the turn against Burton you are on about is when Adebola went on his Messi-esq-twinkle-toe run, didn't Keogh try and get in front of him to toe the ball away but mis-timed it? If that's what you want to call it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 ok shackell was cr@p at distribution compared to keogh Hmmm, I didnt think his distribution was that bad. Certainly not compared to other defenders in the team. One of the most comfortable centre Halves we've had on the ball in years. I do admit he liked the Hollywood 40 yard pass alot but his general ball play was and still is pretty good. In an ideal world i'd of loved to have kept him aswell as bringing in Keogh but were not in that position. He's a very good defender for this level, certainly not crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Shackell's distribution wasn't bad (we're not talking Darren Moore style 'oh my God I've got the ball at my feet! PANIC!' stuff), but it certainly wasn't particularly good either. There were far too many 40 yard balls straight out of play when there was a simple pass on, far too many simple passes that went astray and so on. But the biggest difference from in the games I've seen so far (Burton, Sunderland and Ssausagehorpe),is that Fielding actually trusts Keogh with the ball - everything is rolled out to feet and we play from there. Fielding maybe kicked it long a couple of times when under pressure but that was it (which is fine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIMBAUD Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Shackell's distribution wasn't bad (we're not talking Darren Moore style 'oh my God I've got the ball at my feet! PANIC!' stuff), but it certainly wasn't particularly good either. There were far too many 40 yard balls straight out of play when there was a simple pass on, far too many simple passes that went astray and so on. But the biggest difference from in the games I've seen so far (Burton, Sunderland and Ssausagehorpe),is that Fielding actually trusts Keogh with the ball - everything is rolled out to feet and we play from there. Fielding maybe kicked it long a couple of times when under pressure but that was it (which is fine). spot on - i agree - and he did hit one or two really good balls on tuesday. (he enjoyed his goal too.) btw - how many goals did our CB's score last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hucknall Ram Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 3? spot on - i agree - and he did hit one or two really good balls on tuesday. (he enjoyed his goal too.) btw - how many goals did our CB's score last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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