How good is our squad?

[Tamworthram]

10 minutes ago, Curtains said:

It’s not me that’s criticising our squad .

He is an attacking midfielder .

I don’t watch Oxford but it’s common knowledge they have a good squad. 

I didn't specifically say you were criticising our squad but you were putting these names forward as players you'd swap for our players.

According to their own website he's described as a forward not a midfielder and whilst results suggest they have a better squad (or their squad is playing better together), I'm just genuinely curious as to how you came up with individual names especially when, like myself, you don't watch Oxford.

To put it another way, in what way is Bodin for example, better than our current forwards/attacking midfield?

Edited October 18, 2023 by Tamworthram

[May Contain Nuts]

10 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

Harris was the one that was coming till a offer came in from Oxford we couldn't match rather than wouldn't. This resulted a bigger pocket being available and we have brought in a few since..  I can't honestly comment on his attributes other than he looked a decent player at this level when he played us. 

 

 

A player who, when we were linked, had many people scratching their heads as to why we'd want an attacker with so little end product to their play.

That's the thing isn't it, these players are being bigged up because they're performing well in a team which isn't Derby, but had we signed them ourselves many people (in some cases most) would probably be at least a little underwhelmed at the prospect of seeing them line up for us.

Edited October 18, 2023 by Kokosnuss

[CongletonRam]

2 minutes ago, Blondest Goat said:

Haven't these all spent the majority of their careers in league one or below? Which of course must mean that they arent good enough for promotion.

I don't think anyone has suggested that in this thread. I think you're being a little mischievous here.

[Blondest Goat]

1 minute ago, CongletonRam said:

I don't think anyone has suggested that in this thread. I think you're being a little mischievous here.

Not at all.  I think they're top 6 / 7.   🤣

[Walkley Ram]

2 minutes ago, CongletonRam said:

I don't think anyone has suggested that in this thread. I think you're being a little mischievous here.

You have to be trolling now. I refuse to believe you're serious.

Top effort. I respect the dedication to being incredibly irritating.

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

3 minutes ago, Kokosnuss said:

A player who, when we were linked, had many people scratching their heads as to why we'd want an attacker with so little end product to their play.

As I said, don't know much about him but he looks handy at this level if his game against us is the norm.  I'd take him over Wash as he can control a ball and has potential resale.

[May Contain Nuts]

6 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

As I said, don't know much about him but he looks handy at this level if his game against us is the norm.  I'd take him over Wash as he can control a ball and has potential resale.

Well, elbowy! (Didn't he play for us in the relegation season?)

I'm not sure games against us is the norm tbh, especially not at the stage we were leaving so many massive gaps in defence.

Edited October 18, 2023 by Kokosnuss

[Curtains]

15 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

I didn't specifically say you were criticising our squad but you were putting these names forward as players you'd swap for our players.

According to their own website he's described as a forward not a midfielder and whilst results suggest they have a better squad (or their squad is playing better together), I'm just genuinely curious as to how you came up with individual names especially when, like myself, you don't watch Oxford.

To put it another way, in what way is Bodin for example, better than our current forwards/attacking midfield?

Well I gave  4 and Bodin is probably only on a par with our players.  
It’s all relative as for instance whose better Rashford or Saka !

[TomTom92]

19 hours ago, YorkshireRam said:

Not a fan of that rhetoric. If you're going to make claims with specifics like ''top 3'', you need some empirical data to back that up. The 3 relegated clubs may have retained players whose wages exceed ours- I don't know, but that's the point. Attempting to use an unqualified claim like that as a stick to beat Warne with isn't a great look...

Also in your final paragraph earlier- why is Warne the singular factor in whether a player decides to join? Money could be a factor ie. the rumoured Rhodes incident. There's so many factors outside Warne's control, why are you linking everything back to him? Stating ''it still ultimately falls back on Warne'' is untrue, and just reduces the credibility of your overall argument because it just appears reductionist. 

Ultimately it falls back on Warne. Managers getting the chop are far more common than heads of recruitment leaving.

Warne may have been as frustrated as us by the window. But as fans and fans of a 'big' club in league 1 our recruitment in the frontline was uninspiring. 

I'd also say that Warne's 'must be a nice guy' test for players could be limiting the pot for recruitment. Personally i don't care if Adolf gets resurrected if he hits 25 goals for us. 

[YorkshireRam]

55 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

Same genuine question I asked Curtains, how many full Oxford games have you seen to come up with these names?

2. Not a massive sample size but had a quick look at the Opta stats also, and considered age/potential and our depth in their respective positions.

It's a decent question, but one I would also direct at the initial post that dismissed Oxford's squad offhand...

[RoyMac5]

19 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said:

2. Not a massive sample size but had a quick look at the Opta stats also, and considered age/potential and our depth in their respective positions.

It's a decent question, but one I would also direct at the initial post that dismissed Oxford's squad offhand...

So who would they play instead of? Are you saying they didn't come here because we have better players already in their positions?

Edited October 18, 2023 by RoyMac5

[sage]

2 hours ago, Curtains said:

 

R. RODRIGUES

 

 

1 hour ago, Curtains said:

CAMERON BRANNAGAN

 

1 hour ago, Curtains said:

Mark Harris

 

1 hour ago, Curtains said:

Billy Bodin
 

 

 

1 hour ago, Curtains said:

It’s not me that’s criticising our squad .

He is an attacking midfielder .

I don’t watch Oxford but it’s common knowledge they have a good squad. 

Wow

[sage]

55 minutes ago, Curtains said:

Well I gave  4 and Bodin is probably only on a par with our players.  
It’s all relative as for instance whose better Rashford or Saka !

You've not watched them play ffs. 

[Curtains]

3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

So who would they play instead of? Are you saying they didn't come here because we have better players already in their positions?

The initial question was from Sage . I suggest he thinks only 2 or 3 are better.  He may be right but what’s the point.  Warnes recruitment or getting more out of our squad or style of play etc etc. 

[sage]

1 hour ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said:

As I said, don't know much about him but he looks handy at this level if his game against us is the norm.  I'd take him over Wash as he can control a ball and has potential resale.

I'd take him above Washington. Who isn't in our team.

[sage]

5 minutes ago, Curtains said:

The initial question was from Sage . I suggest he thinks only 2 or 3 are better.  He may be right but what’s the point.  Warnes recruitment or getting more out of our squad or style of play etc etc. 

In response to someone saying Oxford's budget was 'eye-watering' and by implication comparable or bigger than ours.

 

[RoyMac5]

6 minutes ago, Curtains said:

The initial question was from Sage . I suggest he thinks only 2 or 3 are better.  He may be right but what’s the point.  Warnes recruitment or getting more out of our squad or style of play etc etc. 

Dunno, I lost track of who was good enough for League 1 and who wasn't ages ago!

[Curtains]

1 minute ago, sage said:

In response to someone saying Oxford's budget was 'eye-watering' and by implication comparable or bigger than ours.

 

Right ok. 

 

 

[Curtains]

1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

Dunno, I lost track of who was good enough for League 1 and who wasn't ages ago!

Do you really care .

I mean we have who we have. 
 

[RoyMac5]

3 minutes ago, Curtains said:

Do you really care .

I mean we have who we have. 
 

Of course I care that our squad is good enough for League 1.