sage Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I get that you would try to negotiate the best deal and brinkmanship can help but... There are so many advantages to one of the bidders getting this done a few weeks ago... Our chances of staying up are reducing with every player sale, that leaves a a vastly reduced income. We are losing assets at reduced prices, therefore you are getting less for your money Now our academy is being torn apart Out of contract players can now sign pre contracts elsewhere We can't protect our best young players values by extending contracts You would have had a better chance of not being beaten to it by another bidder The club's name being dragged through the mud a little less Better reception from the supporters So it begs the question...why? What are they hoping to gain? and is it worth it? Andrew3000, RadioactiveWaste, Kathcairns and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram1988 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, sage said: I get that you would try to negotiate the best deal and brinkmanship can help but... There are so many advantages to one of the bidders getting this done a few weeks ago... Our chances of staying up are reducing with every player sale, that leaves a a vastly reduced income. We are losing assets at reduced prices, therefore you are getting less for your money Now our academy is being torn apart Out of contract players can now sign pre contracts elsewhere We can't protect our best young players values by extending contracts You would have had a better chance of not being beaten to it by another bidder The club's name being dragged through the mud a little less Better reception from the supporters So it begs the question...why? What are they hoping to gain? and is it worth it? Frustrating isn't it? I am hoping reports around the administrators weighing up three bids are true and that they make a decision on those tomorrow to name a preferred bidder. David Graham Brown, RadioactiveWaste, I know nuffin and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, sage said: I get that you would try to negotiate the best deal and brinkmanship can help but... There are so many advantages to one of the bidders getting this done a few weeks ago... Our chances of staying up are reducing with every player sale, that leaves a a vastly reduced income. We are losing assets at reduced prices, therefore you are getting less for your money Now our academy is being torn apart Out of contract players can now sign pre contracts elsewhere We can't protect our best young players values by extending contracts You would have had a better chance of not being beaten to it by another bidder The club's name being dragged through the mud a little less Better reception from the supporters So it begs the question...why? What are they hoping to gain? and is it worth it? They are not working for the Football Club. The overall competiveness of the team is of secondary importance, to getting the best deal for the Creditors. They have a legal obligation to the Creditors, the Preferred Bidders, and even Mel Morris, to ensure that due insolvency diligence and process is followed, otherwise they could be sued. RAM1966, Miggins, RadioactiveWaste and 5 others 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 I will always be a bit disappointed if we end up with the Appleby group because they have been around since the beginning but never put their cards on the table. If it was just Mel's difficulty getting a sale over the line, but seems we aren't doing any better now with the administrators in charge. Frustrating. Derby4Me, Nomisflint1, Kathcairns and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 The EFL are waiting hoping settlements between dcfc and boro/ww get them out of responsibility. Boro and ww are waiting because they don't have to do anything. The administrators are probably trying to get things moving faster but can't due to their obligations to actual creditors and until the binnie biddy, no bidder taking on liability for the boro and ww claims. So, bidders brinkmanship? I think the Binnie bid is probably the lowest possible but are thinking agreeing to take on boro and ww might be a trump card. Appleby is probably hoping for a determiniation on the boto/ww stuff to go in or pull out. Probably won't get backing to take on boro/ww, probably fear Ashley will outbid at the 11th hour. Ashley is just waiting to see if the creditors will go for restucturing and getting even less All bidders are bidding on the asumption we're in league 1 - there's no sane scenario where anything else isn't a massive bonus, so why rush anything based on the squad that mostly won't be here anyway with even in the best analysis a slim chance of survival? I know nuffin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Personally I think Ashley is fine with another -15 points to screw over creditors. If it gets to that point it probably means Appleby and binnie have failed. I can't buy Ashley wanting to do the deal unless it's very bad for creditors and he's not bothered how bad it gets for us to get to that point. The prblem with brinkmanship, it can and does go wring at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ram1988 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Personally I think Ashley is fine with another -15 points to screw over creditors. If it gets to that point it probably means Appleby and binnie have failed. I can't buy Ashley wanting to do the deal unless it's very bad for creditors and he's not bothered how bad it gets for us to get to that point. The prblem with brinkmanship, it can and does go wring at times. It would be frustrating if the Binnie family or Ashley don't clear the debt enough to avoid another minus 15 points deduction next season. RadioactiveWaste, Kathcairns and Ramifications 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, i-Ram said: They are not working for the Football Club. The overall competiveness of the team is of secondary importance, to getting the best deal for the Creditors. They have a legal obligation to the Creditors, the Preferred Bidders, and even Mel Morris, to ensure that due insolvency diligence and process is followed, otherwise they could be sued. I wasn't referring to the administrators. I was commenting on the bidders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: The EFL are waiting hoping settlements between dcfc and boro/ww get them out of responsibility. Boro and ww are waiting because they don't have to do anything. The administrators are probably trying to get things moving faster but can't due to their obligations to actual creditors and until the binnie biddy, no bidder taking on liability for the boro and ww claims. So, bidders brinkmanship? I think the Binnie bid is probably the lowest possible but are thinking agreeing to take on boro and ww might be a trump card. Appleby is probably hoping for a determiniation on the boto/ww stuff to go in or pull out. Probably won't get backing to take on boro/ww, probably fear Ashley will outbid at the 11th hour. Ashley is just waiting to see if the creditors will go for restucturing and getting even less All bidders are bidding on the asumption we're in league 1 - there's no sane scenario where anything else isn't a massive bonus, so why rush anything based on the squad that mostly won't be here anyway with even in the best analysis a slim chance of survival? But is it just a slim chance of survival? If we win on Sunday and Reading lose at QPR we are just 5 points from safety with 19 games to go. If we could keep this squad together it’s game on for me…. Derby4Me, Indy, GB SPORTS and 7 others 5 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, sage said: I wasn't referring to the administrators. I was commenting on the bidders. My answer is the same. Do remember though that 10 days ago Wayne and Owen were saying that a preferred bidder would be announced the next day. I suspect Binnie and Appleby had made their offers at that point. Not sure where Gadsby & Co. are now, but I guess that Ashley’s bid was awaited, and may actually only have been received after the EFL threw out the Administrators proposals. The last week would have been spent on challenging the EFL’s position, and perhaps working out which bid is best, especially if one of the bids allows for deferred settlements on top of initial lump sum payments. I reckon we will hear of a preferred bidder in the next 48 hours. You heard it here first. Bald Eagle's Barmy Army 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Jimbo Ram said: But is it just a slim chance of survival? If we win on Sunday and Reading lose at QPR we are just 5 points from safety with 19 games to go. If we could keep this squad together it’s game on for me…. If you're pricing the risk of many millions of pounds to bid on DCFC, i can only see you pricing it based on relegation. You're right, on the field we actually have a pretty good chance, but on the spreadsheets I doubt they're factoring that in, and if they're not factoring it in, but pushing things towards 1st feb might get you a better deal...we're not dealing with the cuddly doing social good side of business with these bidders, we're dealing with an american investment firm, a specialist in picking up distressed businesses on the cheap and a sports investment consortium with apparently limited funds (the chatter that Appleby's camp wouldn't match the figure Ashley apparently was in for...but without actually putting his bid in) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 9 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Personally I think Ashley is fine with another -15 points to screw over creditors. If it gets to that point it probably means Appleby and binnie have failed. I can't buy Ashley wanting to do the deal unless it's very bad for creditors and he's not bothered how bad it gets for us to get to that point. The prblem with brinkmanship, it can and does go wring at times. Is Ashley that 'blinkered'? He overpaid for Newcastle, he also got them back out of the Championship twice, at speed. Don't you think the league placing and appeal of the Club are important to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Is Ashley that 'blinkered'? He overpaid for Newcastle, he also got them back out of the Championship twice, at speed. Don't you think the league placing and appeal of the Club are important to him? No, I think he's a bast urd. Whatever might happen after, I think he enjoys screwing creditors more. After the deal, I'd expect probably a push to championship level, then the same as Newcastle, just not spending a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: No, I think he's a bast urd. Whatever might happen after, I think he enjoys screwing creditors more. After the deal, I'd expect probably a push to championship level, then the same as Newcastle, just not spending a lot. Is that true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 10 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Personally I think Ashley is fine with another -15 points to screw over creditors. If it gets to that point it probably means Appleby and binnie have failed. I can't buy Ashley wanting to do the deal unless it's very bad for creditors and he's not bothered how bad it gets for us to get to that point. The prblem with brinkmanship, it can and does go wring at times. Sorry but that’s appalling, many of the creditors will be local Derby people who probably can’t afford to take the hit but won’t have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Bobby said: Sorry but that’s appalling, many of the creditors will be local Derby people who probably can’t afford to take the hit but won’t have a choice. Hey Bobby. Much as I genuinely appreciate your crocodile tears, and great insight on the concept of fair play, you do seem a little lost. Hopefully the useful information below will be helpful. Cheerio. https://www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/general/qpr-fans http://www.qprdot.org/phpbb3mb/viewforum.php?f=12 https://rfantasyisland.boards.net/board/1/general-discussion https://qprreport.proboards.com/ https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/watch-live-qpr-fans-forum-021221/ RoyMac5 and Premier ram 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 You left out loftforwords , none of the of the ones you quoted hold a candle to that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, Bobby said: You left out loftforwords , none of the of the ones you quoted hold a candle to that one. I did that deliberately. They told me they were bored with your posting too. RoyMac5, Premier ram and Gritstone Ram 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 44 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Is that true? It's all speculation. I have no knowledge, zero ITK, however I am sceptical about Mike Ashley - I don't think he'll spend big to have us in the prem, I do think he'll happily have us looking into the abyss before offering a deal that's slightly better than oblivion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, Bobby said: Sorry but that’s appalling, many of the creditors will be local Derby people who probably can’t afford to take the hit but won’t have a choice. It's mike Ashley's MO. As I say, I have no knowledge or info, it's just my speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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